Hunting the Hero of the Wild - Link (Tears of the Kingdom) vs Half-Monster Garou

[CrackerVolley]

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It's been a hot minute since I've made a thread, so let's start with something real fun. If things become stompish for either character, I'll put Garou in his Hero Hunter key while I make some adjustments to Link's arsenal and which interpretation of Recall is being used.

Half-Monster Garou and Mid-Game Link are being used.
Link has all of his arsenal that is able to be acquired in this key (including the four Sage's Vows, Zonai equipment, Fuse items, Ancient Arrowheads, Autobuild schematics, various armor, food, etc.)
Link's Recall is being used with its Limited Movement intrepretation.
Fight begins 100m apart in the Akkala Highlands.
Speed Equalized

Twink Link (42 Kilotons, higher with buffs):
Garou Mark of the Wolves (75 kilotons?):
Inconclusive:

Fight Theme

 

[CrackerVolley]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

So uhhh.. WSRSF. What's link doing about that?

 

[Epiccheev]

It's hero hunting time.

 

[Kachon123]

I'll wait for Zelda supporters before making any argument

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So uhhh.. WSRSF. What's link doing about that?

Link dodges, do a furry rush, and wins

 

[Chariot190]

So uhhh.. WSRSF. What's link doing about that?

Has at least 5 revives.
Also some forcefields and stuff, 4 allies who cant die, and also like, 50 ways to instantly kill Garou.
Like even by collateral, nothing is stopping Link from just chucking Naydra's Horn at his own feet and making a AOE that flash freezes everything in like 30m, but unlike Garou Link would just break free after a few seconds.
Also Link has perception and speed amps that enable him to basically statue people on par with him by simply focusing.
Hero Hunter Garo just gets kind of mogged, Link has so much random bullshit and the means to get it all off even if he has to hit himself with it that Garou can't kill him 5 times before he gets hit even by the the multitude of AOE, especially if Link just, danmaku spams and carpet bombs the whole area with AOE domes of stupidly potent fire, ice, electric attacks on top of attacks that instantly deconstruct the target and instantly kill them if they so much as make contact with it in anyway.

You'd need a higher Garou key to even stand a chance, but then Link gets his ass beat in turn, and you'd need a higher Link then and etc.
Tbh I just don't think the match works, one or the other is going to take the other out back so hard it isn't even funny.
If Garou was faster than Link it'd invalidate his speed amps in speed equal as you can't amp to blitz someone quicker than you which would make Link actually have to TIME his shit and play smart to make sure stuff can block Garou in to hit him but he just pulls a MGR, thinks a lil hard, and then the whole battlefield is nuked with random bullshit that varies from cold that is exponentially colder than stuff that can flash freeze superheated lava to stuff that's basically just EE that you can't even dodge because it's basically danmaku that explodes and cuts off escape routes, ALL in bullet time.

 

[Chariot190]

Also the differing quality in that Link and Garou art

I'm on to you.

 

[Kachon123]

Like even by collateral, nothing is stopping Link from just chucking Naydra's Horn at his own feet and making a AOE that flash freezes everything in like 30m, but unlike Garou Link would just break free after a few seconds.

• Resistance to:
  
  • Electricity Manipulation, Freezing, Extreme Heat, Sound Manipulation & Pain Manipulation (Pri-Pri Prisoner was unaffected by an onslaught of attacks from several monsters through sheer willpower)

He can.

Also Link has perception and speed amps that enable him to basically statue people on par with him by simply focusing.
Hero Hunter Garo just gets kind of mogged, Link has so much random bullshit and the means to get it all off even if he has to hit himself with it that Garou can't kill him 5 times before he gets hit even by the the multitude of AOE, especially if Link just, danmaku spams and carpet bombs the whole area with AOE domes of stupidly potent fire, ice, electric attacks on top of attacks that instantly deconstruct the target and instantly kill them if they so much as make contact with it in anyway.

Garou also has perception amps via focusing.

This is Half Monster Garou, not Hero Hunter.

Garou in this key scales far above people who have dealt with exploding danmaku carpet bombing. Garou could endure and evolve to 7-A exploding danmaku that could one-shot him, so I don't see Link replicating this.

Garou also has attacks that will instantly turn Link to dust with contact, so he's not the only one with that wincon.

 

[Chariot190]

He can.

No he can't. Temperature matters, even a literal local fruit in Zelda can flash cool lava in a fraction of a second (of which Link has 999x of those). Naydra is some random embodiment of frigid cold. It can instantly kill those who can shrug off the former, and dozens of things inbetween.

This is not comparable. The lightning alone btw has enough charge to cause massive thunderstorms passively. Resistance isn't immunity.

Garou also has perception amps via focusing.

Not even remotely as high as Link's. His are effectively non-existent due to speed equal rules.

This is Half Monster Garou, not Hero Hunter.

All the same.

Garou in this key scales far above people who have dealt with exploding danmaku carpet bombing.

Bad example. If that was Link's, every single person there would have died due to lack of resistances to the things being carpet bombed in the first place.

Garou could endure and evolve to 7-A exploding danmaku that could one-shot him, so I don't see Link replicating this.

Link has actual deconstruction hax, it could hit cosmic Garou and instantly kill him if he got the chance. Stats don't matter at all for some of this.

Garou also has attacks that will instantly turn Link to dust with contact, so he's not the only one with that wincon.

Except Link has speed amps that eclipse Garou and is actually allowed to use them due to having the innate speed advantage, and his can be used in projectile form or to even block incoming attacks.

There's also random stuff like soul steal, gloom and the 5v1 and 5 revives but ya know how it is.

 

[Kachon123]

No he can't. Temperature matters, even a literal local fruit in Zelda can flash cool lava in a fraction of a second (of which Link has 999x of those). Naydra is some random embodiment of frigid cold. It can instantly kill those who can shrug off the former, and dozens of things inbetween.

This is not comparable.

This is Half Monster Garou. He already has the base resistance, so he'll just evolve a stronger one to match. Just like he did with the heat from Rover's blasts to the heat of Orochi's beams.

Bad example. If that was Link's, every single person there would have died due to lack of resistances to the things being carpet bombed in the first place.

Elaborate

Link has actual deconstruction hax, it could hit cosmic Garou and instantly kill him if he got the chance. Stats don't matter at all for some of this.

With what?

Except Link has speed amps that eclipse Garou and is actually allowed to use them due to having the innate speed advantage, and his can be used in projectile form or to even block incoming attacks.

Garou is constantly growing in speed at a very rapid rate in this key. Being prompted by someone who is already faster than he is will just make it grow exponentially.

 

[Chariot190]

This is Half Monster Garou. He already has the base resistance, so he'll just evolve a stronger one to match. Just like he did with the heat from Rover's blasts to the heat of Orochi's beams.

Not how this works? Prove he can before dying from it? It's adaption, dude has to survive it first.
Prove he can adapt to stuff that high? NLF do be a thing.
Like why should I believe he can adapt to electricity that can passively cause massive region wide thunderstorms as just one example? It's incomparably higher then his base resistance.

And there's no such thing as a base resistance, 300 degree heat res is resistance, so is 50000 degrees, but both would die to 10000000 degrees.

Elaborate

Exactly what I said? If Bang were to swat away some of Link's stuff, he'd be hit with super mega death aids or basically EE'd out of existence or anything in between?

With what?

Ancient Technology?

Garou is constantly growing in speed at a very rapid rate in this key. Being prompted by someone who is already faster than he is will just make it grow exponentially.

Dude Link is Rel, FTL in bullet time.
You know as well as I do Garou isn't allowed to jump that high in this key regardless of amps.
Massively Hypersonic+ with Reactive Evolution - Profile.
Speed is equal, but you also know how speed equal works, the normally slower character isn't allowed to exploit speed equal to blitz a character with whatever if they normally wouldn't be capable.

You'd have a point if this was the Garou that murked Flashy or Platinum but this ain't him. So Link kind of just gets his speed amps and Garou is static regardless, unless we do speed unequal and you randomly argue he'd hit Rel/FTL to overtake Link. Unless Half Monster can exceed FTL with growth, he isn't allowed to amp past Link or it invalidates the match.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually why doesn't the profile actually show or explain the stuff.
Like it says he has the stuff, stuff is listed and accepted that he has it but doesn't elaborate at all, like "Fire Manip with fruit/dinraal" doesnt convey that one is a lil fruit you pick off a bush and can maybe light some leaves on fire and one is the embodiment of fire itself who by simply existing can change the climate through heat and outscales stuff in the nuke lv range of heat

Now I kinda feel bad, I have clips of all this shit but it's buried and not sorted maybe I can find some

 

[StrymULTRA]

shaking my head my head?

 

[Chariot190]

shaking my head my head?

Yep, thats how it works.

Anyway


Uhm, here's funny ice chu (weakest ice monster, equal to a literal piece of fruit, lowest AOE frost item) jelly flashcooling superheated lava in an environment who's passive heat is enough to ignite people and kill them within seconds, who can survive places that are hot enough to ALSO instantly ignite people, reduce non-metal to ash, etc without being effected at all (Also breaks the thermostat so the air temp is at least 4 digits).

That's all that's on wiki for clips and it's from Zant. Like some of Link's shit is stupidly potent even at the baby level.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Also the differing quality in that Link and Garou art

I'm on to you.

There's not a lot of art of Garou on Safeboruu.

 

[Epiccheev]

(of which Link has 999x of those)

Bro is ravaging local flora at this point.

 

[Chariot190]

There's not a lot of art of Garou on Safeboruu.

Bro is ravaging local flora at this point.

It's fine they respawn when Ganon decides to cause a lil bit of acts of terror or Link puts to many particle effects on screen at once

 

[CrackerVolley]

I mean, I won't deny that I'm clearly into Link if that's what you're insinuating, but that's beyond the point.

 

[Chariot190]

I mean, I won't deny that I'm clearly into Link if that's what you're insinuating, but that's beyond the point.

I wasn't expecting that reply to the funny huh
Well Link is raw af so it's cool

also how we treating the purah pad here

 

[CrackerVolley]

also how we treating the purah pad here

Skimming through Compendium entries make is sound like a hypothetical Garou entry may be useful. They tend to point out how dangerous something is, motives, notable abilities, possible tactics against them, and sometimes weaknesses. Also, if Link needs to retreat to make more food or something with Ultrahand, the sensor function might point out if Garou is tailing his ass.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Link dodges once and use Moon Knight random bullshit FRA

 

[Chariot190]

Skimming through Compendium entries make is sound like a hypothetical Garou entry may be useful. They tend to point out how dangerous something is, motives, notable abilities, possible tactics against them, and sometimes weaknesses. Also, if Link needs to retreat to make more food or something with Ultrahand, the sensor function might point out if Garou is tailing his ass.

I more meant how we treating his TP, specifically the medallions. Because in theory Link can lap a sigil down, straight up **** off to one of his few hundred designated warp points back to Hyrule, figure out a gameplan, lay on all his buffs, and then teleport back.

Tbh if this was SBA it'd be SUPER screwed because no way he can follow Link cross-dimensions from NY to Hyrule, while Link's teleportation does work cross-dimension i tested all this shit just for argument's sake, you can teleport to preplaced sigils from Zonai shrines and more.

 

[Epiccheev]

Skimming through Compendium entries make is sound like a hypothetical Garou entry may be useful. They tend to point out how dangerous something is, motives, notable abilities, possible tactics against them, and sometimes weaknesses. Also, if Link needs to retreat to make more food or something with Ultrahand, the sensor function might point out if Garou is tailing his ass.

Garous are fairly well known creatures after all. They even appear in some of the tales in local folklore.

 

[CrackerVolley]

I more meant how we treating his TP, specifically the medallions. Because in theory Link can lap a sigil down, straight up **** off to one of his few hundred designated warp points back to Hyrule, figure out a gameplan, lay on all his buffs, and then teleport back.

Tbh if this was SBA it'd be SUPER screwed because no way he can follow Link cross-dimensions from NY to Hyrule, while Link's teleportation does work cross-dimension i tested all this shit just for argument's sake, you can teleport to preplaced sigils from Zonai shrines and more.

Fight begins 100m apart in the Akkala Highlands.

 

[Chariot190]

I know, it's why I said if it was SBA it'd be worse. Link can still do exactly that tho on a continental scale here.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Oh whoops my b.

 

[Epiccheev]

So...Mismatch or just Link W

 

[Chariot190]

So...Mismatch or just Link W

Idk we really need to add clips to Link's stuff though. Like yeah it's all accepted items he has listed but I feel kinda bad arguing he has lightning that's so potent it causes huge massive thunderstorms from just the residual discharge (it's actually way worse, te lil lightning balls around Farosh have that statement, stuff like the horn outright scales way higher) among other stuff because it doesn't actually show the stuff just says he got it.

The speed stuff helps a lot though, Garou caps at MHS+ in this key, so while Link gets lowered to his combat speed due to speed equal, his speed amps all stay functional, while Garou's dont because amping to beat a character who would normally be faster isnt allowed in sped equal.

 

[CrackerVolley]

If this does turn out to be a mismatch, does anyone know of any other 7-C characters that are similarly cracked to these two?

 

[Chariot190]

If this does turn out to be a mismatch, does anyone know of any other 7-C characters that are similarly cracked to these two?

Link kind of sucks to match because of the meme speed amps, he's like Raiden who if you aren't quicker than him normally you get blitzed and instant killed by hax. Would need a 7-C that is Rel-FTL to make it so Link gets hit by speed equal rules and can't use amps to blitz a dude who would normally be quicker. Stuff like revives, 5v1, and a bunch of other bullshit makes it kind of hard. A FTL 7-C who has extremely good regen to avoid being fried, vaped or more by the elemental stuff or deconstruction?
Or maybe forcefields to avoid them entirely? Actually I think I have an idea with an indie game boss profile I made eons ago but never published I'll see if I can dig that out link would win tho, it'd just neg half his equipment due to physiology.

 

[CrackerVolley]

dang

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

If this does turn out to be a mismatch, does anyone know of any other 7-C characters that are similarly cracked to these two?

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