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That wasn’t an accepted calc but oh well. There goes one point of the argument
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JJK Downgrade CRT 2025
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Lilybitdun
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wtf are you talking about? yuta scales to this and people cross scale to yuta https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X_2.0/JJK_Project_Chapter_176_Feats
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I have one major gripe about this proposal other than the ones people already talked about
This CRT should also just be closed due to a self-admitted bad faith motive + the fact that you didnt even properly check the scaling for the high tiers’ speed
The statement doesn’t imply it’s limited to the domain’s radius, it just says everyone within is sure to be killed from the combo.
The statement above guaranteeing everyone WITHIN the domain dies automatically makes your argument that Megumi would die when he was OUTSIDE of it invalid. On top of that, it’s not the same Fuga or Malevolent Shrine, Fuga is just described as an ultimate weapon to kill Mahoraga regardless if it’s Shinjuku or Shibuya
This CRT should also just be closed due to a self-admitted bad faith motive + the fact that you didnt even properly check the scaling for the high tiers’ speed
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Don’t worry gng, I’ll make an upgrade CRT in a week or so. 7-A JJK next week trust
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Yeah I get Granite blast speed, just didn’t know he got scaled to it.
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stay out of the malevolent kitchen 
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The calc doesnt assume divine flame reaches outside of the domain, the calc just considers the domain to be hella big by pixelscaling it off of the buildings.
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“The dust particles spread to every inch of the domain”
I said Megumi would’ve gotten fried if the flames of Fuga could go outside of Malevolent Shrine's radius, and Fuga isn’t activated simultaneously with Malevolent Shrine. And believe me when I say this, nowhere did I find any sign of the high tiers being scaled to mach 1.44. Is it in the notes or smt? That’s the only thing I didn’t check but apart from that, there’s literally nothing truly wrong here. You can argue for the Gojo Earthquake, sure, you can argue for the heavy hitters’ speed sure (My counter argument is that that is a combat speed feat for Yuta) but Fuga calc and and the Heavy Hitters downscale has literally no counter.
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No one is scaling Yuta's travel speed is Supersonic. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it's combat speed.
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Is it good now?
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However, due to reacting to Choso's Piercing Blood and keeping up with Granite Blast, the high tiers scale to Supersonic with Supersonic+ reaction speeds.
And in pages with statistical values such as yuta or maki's page
It would be good to separate the speed feats in main and supportive to avoid confusion tho.
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Personally I dunno if most Sorcerers travel speed is Subsonic+. Yuji has a statement in Chapter 1 about his travel speed, and it's like, 16 m/s a second or smth? They have like, short-burst movement speed comparable to their combat speed. Sukuna's travel speed def scales to his combat speed (He can outrun Dismantle), as does Gojo's (Particularly with Blue). But I imagine travel speed-wise a lot would be capped at Yuji's stated speed from Ch. 1.
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Dude. Speed levels in the pages with not specification as to what kind of speed they are, are combat speed levels
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Now?
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I agree with downscaling them but the Cursed Womb Naoya calc has it's own flaws. The feat is Naoya running through several building and saying he's scaling to the full destruction which doesn't make sense. It's the same logic having A individually destroy 5 buildings and then scaling A's ap to the total destruction.
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City block+ level high tiers when? Also Thank God someone finally said something agreed instead of flaming me. This is my first CRT attempt dawg
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You mean the translation team is. Not my fault they aren't using higher quality scan
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According to the calc:
| I should probably add in the ground/street and buildings outside of malevolent shrine's range being vaporized since we see literally nothing left and there's a large amount of vapor coming off of it even a decent while after so I'll add that in right now. |
We already know that the maximum radius of Malevolent Shrine is 200m. The calc assumes that all the concrete buildings within 130m outside the Domain got vaporized.
Which begs the question of how an unconscious and almost dead Megumi was able to survive.
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you lost me already
not fully sure about the divine flame part but the rest dont seem to have issue (I disagree w this CRT)
also this is the worst thing to say
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My brother in powerscaling, I said that in the context that it mattered as long as it was a downgrade. Not because I just wanted to downgrade out of spite. The Divine Flame calc went against what the verse had established about Sukuna, there's a direct statement about Naobito being the second fastest and a slower Naoya was blitzing Awakened Maki, the L7C High tiers are self explanatory and Gojo's Earthquake was too vague.
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He wasn't tho. Maki was counting every single attack he threw and parrying his attacks with her hands. He got the upper hand sometimes, but he by no means blitzed her. Then when he went Supersonic in speed and broke the sound barrier she turned around and smashed his skull into the pavement. That ain't a blitz
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She was clearly struggling with his speed even when he was just transonic and couldn't catch him a single time till that final hit
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Imma be frank gng. This doesn't look like struggling:
She was playing defensive trying to figure out his technique, hence why she's counting every movement he makes. She literally couldn't count how many movements he makes in a second if she was being blitzed. Nor would she be able to Parry every punch like she did. Not only this, but she was able to bypass the freeze frame rule meaning she was able to move 24 times in one second just like Naoya before caving his skull in. She wasn't blitzed. That's just dishonest to say.
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Maki was thinking that it wasn't good, while receiving heavy damage, if she could just keep up with him she wouldn't need to try to take damage to catch him and stilll get blitzedImma be frank gng. This doesn't look like struggling:
She was playing defensive trying to figure out his technique, hence why she's counting every movement he makes. She literally couldn't count how many movements he makes in a second if she was being blitzed. Nor would she be able to Parry every punch like she did. Not only this, but she was able to bypass the freeze frame rule meaning she was able to move 24 times in one second just like Naoya before caving his skull in. She wasn't blitzed. That's just dishonest to say.
. She kept up with him at the start for just a few moments but even then, he was outmaneuvering her till she figured his technique out and outsmarted him
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Yes, taking damage is bad... that doesn't indicate she is being blitzed. You left out other panels where she is counting all of his movements in secret throughout the battle.
Except she didn't need to catch him to hit him... because she hits him immediately after this scene you posted and smashed his skull into the ground. Nor did she get blitzed there. In fact, the scan you posted is evidence in and of itself, she gets hit by his ability, he thinks she is going to fail to move that many times in a second, and moves in the time necessary for her to not be penalized (Meaning she's moving at Naoya's speed otherwise she would be frozen as shown with everyone slower than Naoya who was affected by it).
Your use of the word blitz isn't at all apt for how it's commonly used.
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She's making 24 movements in one second, that doesn't require moving at Naoya's speed. What Maki was doing was attempting to grab Naoya but she completely failed to do so and he dashed way past her, he thought she wouldn't be able to make 24 movements in a second but she did, effectively catching him off guard and managing to land a hit to one shot him
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Literally everyone who was slower than Naobito or Naoya got frozen by the 24 fps rule because they weren't fast enough to do so. She didn't fail to catch Naoya because she was too slow, it was because she was holding still, Naoya (thought) he knew what she was doing, and didn't run straight into her, and then she moved 24 times so fast Naoya wasn't able to react despite having several feet between him and Maki and got his face caved in.
He didn't blitz her. If you wanna say he was a bit faster? Sure, he was a tad bit faster. Blitzing isn't what happens. She wouldn't "Keep up at the beginning" if she were getting blitzed. She wouldn't be able to read him making 24 movements a second consistently, let alone move 24 times in a second if she were getting blitzed by Naoya doing so.
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Naoya literally moves so fast and tagged her that she was left shocked, her plan was to take a hit from him and catch him at the cost of broken ribs, but she couldn't even see him come at her. If that's not a blitz then i don't know what is. Even if he didn't blitz her at the start, at that point, he definitely did, and as I said, he got caught off guard and unprepared, with his pants down when Maki moved at him making 24 movements a second and successfully avoiding being frozen. Being capable of making 24 movements in a second alone isn't enough for you to be relative in speed to Naoya or Naobito, and everyone who got frozen by Naobito or Naoya was when they were off guard and not moving, Dagon was in general just fodder.
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Send proof he didn't see him come at her. There's no statement of that. Just an assumption.
Everything else is just the same stuff from before, and I don't feel like having a circular argument ad nauseum.
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There doesn’t need to be a statement for everything, Naoya was running towards her, expecting her to get frozen, he was clearly surprised when she turned around and hit him square in the face. What’s even the point of arguing here? To prove me wrong? Is that it? Even if Naoya hadn’t full on blitzed her my point of Naobito being faster than Awakened Maki who is comparable to Yuta and other heavy hitters narratively still stands. This is a completely fruitless debate with the soul of just arguing for the heck of it.
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Yes, you just described the point of arguing in general. To prove the opposition wrong.
Maki deflecting blows from Naoya, being able to turn around and block his strike even after being caught off guard by his frame paralysis, and read his movements while on the defensive prove she scales to him. You are just incorrect on your use of the word blitz which implies she can't keep up whatsoever when she's shown to fight, and catch him off-guard with her speed. It's that simple. She kept up with a Supersonic Naoya, thus she's in that range (Even if you wanna argue she's a tad slower which is much more reasonable).
A blitz would be like when Naoya perception blitzed Choso and Yuji, and Choso needed to amp his speed with blood Manip to even begin to keep up (And resort to AoE moves and tricks to get him).
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Agree to disagree? This does not matter to the thread anyways
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Lmk when I can close this because wtf is this thread
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Completely but actually not unrelated.
The fact the first half of the chapter talks about how Gojo might come out the realm basically pissed off and could cause some hefty collateral so they move it to an open area to be safe. And then when he comes out an earthquake happens at the faultline hotspot he was moved to.
Idk it might just be me but it kinda sounds like Gojo got released, and crashed the **** out for a few seconds before gaining his cool.
Given when he shows up on panel he's very clearly seething in that quiet but absolutely livid type of way, and based on yap dudes tossed in chat, that being Gojo himself and Gege basically saying "yeah the prison really sucked", I feel like Gojo 100% did something in a quick fit given how the chapter was set up.
Now that could be anything from him punching a wall to a full power purple nuke, so this doesn't actually tell us how he did it nor help with solidifying the scaling beyond a possibly, but like, bro did do it.
The fact the first half of the chapter talks about how Gojo might come out the realm basically pissed off and could cause some hefty collateral so they move it to an open area to be safe. And then when he comes out an earthquake happens at the faultline hotspot he was moved to.
Idk it might just be me but it kinda sounds like Gojo got released, and crashed the **** out for a few seconds before gaining his cool.
Given when he shows up on panel he's very clearly seething in that quiet but absolutely livid type of way, and based on yap dudes tossed in chat, that being Gojo himself and Gege basically saying "yeah the prison really sucked", I feel like Gojo 100% did something in a quick fit given how the chapter was set up.
Now that could be anything from him punching a wall to a full power purple nuke, so this doesn't actually tell us how he did it nor help with solidifying the scaling beyond a possibly, but like, bro did do it.
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Imo its probably good to close this thread
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Don't close this thread. There were like one or two issues that are fixed
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It isn't in Gojo's character to just cause an earthquake during a fit, he was trying to get to Kenjaku as soon as possible and he wasn't that pissed
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