Dragon Ball's Durability Negation

[Nullflowerblush]

Durability Negation (Energy; Can use Death Psycho Bomb to cause the opponent to explode from the inside)

Should be Energy & Matter. The original story does not actually portray Krillin being blown up from the inside, but Kakarot's Main Story does—an explosion propagates from within his body—and Frieza explicitly uses Psychokinesis when he kills Krillin. Unless, of course, Telekinesis is classified under Energy.

Durability Negation (Energy; Can use Dirty Fireworks to cause opponents to suddenly burst apart from the inside with an explosion)

See, the original story (nor of the related supplementary material) never suggests the Saibaman or Cui blew up from the inside. In fact, in the former instance, the Saibaman appears more pulverized than he does exploded. Moreover, in the TV anime, Vegeta kills the Saibaman by seemingly discharging and remotely detonating an explosion on top of the Saibaman, rather than from inside of the Saibaman; and when he uses his Dirty Fireworks against Cui, the explosion appears to originate from behind Cui's back, which is where Vegeta happens to be positioned, further suggesting he simply aimed at Cui and launched an explosion at him. I'm inclined to believe Vegeta is simply using creating explosions on top of his opponents. However, Kakarot's depiction of events can easily be interpreted as Vegeta blowing Cui up from the inside, so I'm neutral on this one; I'm leaning towards disagreeing, though.

Resistance to Durability Negation (Energy; Survived an internal energy explosion embedded in the abdomen, caused by the opponent’s punch and internal energy release from within the body)

I don't really get why this would be resistance. Broly didn't resist Gogeta channeling the energy into his body, and he didn't resist Gogeta detonating the energy, creating an explosion that engulfed him. The implication here is that, had he not possessed a form of Resistance, Broly would have been, like, blown apart, but the explosion didn't begin inside of Broly; the explosion only propagated after the bluish-white aura had already erupted from inside of Broly.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

And like Chariot said, the page is wrong if it calls it Dura Neg flat out instead of just "limited", but I guess we can just wait for his Staff thread to clarify it.

At the end of the day, this would be reliant on if this staff thread passes. Obviously if it does, I and many others would probably disagree with this thread, but until then we have to abide by what's defined in the wiki. I don't think it's fair to say that the page is wrong yet if staff members could end up voting against this hypothetical change.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

sign, like, nobody care about this thing..........until Dragon Ball

well observed

 

[Qawsedf234]

need be I'll go get that shit changed because it's misleading at best, straight up wrong at worst.

Under current definitions its just durability negation.

Idk where the idea that organs are 100000x less strong than your skin or some shit came from

Fiction in general. It was added as a thing because plenty of fictional works treat organs as being tiers weaker than the muscles/skin. If you want to get it changed, that's fine. But under the current page it is Durability Negation.

 

[Da3ggman]

If you want to get it changed, that's fine.

Nah, I ain't touching that, just pointing out how it's dumb. Tho, an alternative could be to just have the page line up logically, note that some verses have shit organ durability, and to take it as a case by case basis.

 

[Chariot190]

Every single one of you who acknowledges that shit is sus but goes "well the page says so even if it's sus af let's do it anyway" is being put on a list
a metaphorical credibility list not a hit list, last time I said this I got in shit for some reason so I'm legally obligated to preface this.

If I'm not mistaken, it's never shown that their internal durability equals their external durability,

Literally the default assumption.
If it wasn't in the same ballpark any attack would kill them.

Like you can't be 6-A, and have 10-A internals, at that point even a 9-B attack would kill you. You fell for the One Punch Man meme.

And like Chariot said, the page is wrong if it calls it Dura Neg flat out instead of just "limited", but I guess we can just wait for his Staff thread to clarify it.

Permission to make it staff only accepted.

 

[Huesito88]

Every single one of you who acknowledges that shit is sus but goes "well the page says so even if it's sus af let's do it anyway" is being put on a list
a metaphorical credibility list not a hit list, last time I said this I got in shit for some reason so I'm legally obligated to preface this.

You already disowned Dbz what else could you do?

 

[Chariot190]

You already disowned Dbz what else could you do?

There's 3 DB downgrades I need to get around to posting but just haven't because I've been busy.
I could do that

and nobody can argue it anyway because it's a math/calc issue, shit is just wrong objectively.

 

[Robo432343]

so if chariots thread gets accepted will this not qualify for dura neg

 

[Chariot190]

so if chariots thread gets accepted will this not qualify for dura neg

Limited.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

so if chariots thread gets accepted will this not qualify for dura neg

Probably all of these will be limited except for maybe Babidi (Which could still be full, idk?)
Though this does require said thread to actually pass, so don't count your chickens before they hatch (Or do if you're really confident)

 

[Shar122]

There's 3 DB downgrades I need to get around to posting but just haven't because I've been busy.
I could do that

and nobody can argue it anyway because it's a math/calc issue, shit is just wrong objectively.

Can you tell us what the calcs are? If you don't mind.

 

[VinnyXD]

I've mentioned Broly and Gogeta so many times and it always went no where lol.

Also Broly isn't resistance just more of insane pain tolerance , Goku and Jiren I think would also get that.

 

[VinnyXD]

sign, like, nobody care about this thing..........until Dragon Ball

Some things never change, funny enough I think this is also one of the most common type of Durability Negation on the site

 

[Chariot190]

sign, like, nobody care about this thing..........until Dragon Ball

Jokes on you I've been saying this for actual years, I even have to tell the goons who keep wanking Star Platinum's phasing to crush hearts that isn't how that shit would work
Only forced one's hand because people didn't wanna follow what basically 99% of verses already treated it as because of a linguistic thing.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

actually hm this is a good idea for a more expansive thread

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Seems like this being Limited Durability Negation is going to be the case. Seems very unlikely that the staff thread will 180. More or less changes nothing beyond some mild nuance in language.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

There's 3 DB downgrades I need to get around to posting but just haven't because I've been busy.
I could do that

and nobody can argue it anyway because it's a math/calc issue, shit is just wrong objectively.

Hopefuly not from me. I got like 4 calcs I think

 

[Chariot190]

Hopefuly not from me. I got like 4 calcs I think

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

 

[Vietthai96]

Jokes on you I've been saying this for actual years, I even have to tell the goons who keep wanking Star Platinum's phasing to crush hearts that isn't how that shit would work
Only forced one's hand because people didn't wanna follow what basically 99% of verses already treated it as because of a linguistic thing.

I'm fine with the Limited thing actually, but again, the issue isn't the standard or the ability, just that it only poped up when it involve Dragon Ball

Like, the OP just follow the examples on majority of the profiles, as we can see that most profile with internal structure Dura Neg do not listed the ability as Limited, only few actually did this, so pretty much many people just think it is the norm

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I'm fine with the Limited thing actually, but again, the issue isn't the standard or the ability, just that it only poped up when it involve Dragon Ball

Like, the OP just follow the examples on majority of the profiles, as we can see that most profile with internal structure Dura Neg do not listed the ability as Limited, only few actually did this, so pretty much many people just think it is the norm

Agree

 

[DragoZeroNova]

The dura neg staff thread has officially been passed and implemented. As thus, anything in the OP that relied on attacking internal structures to deal damage should be changed to limited dura neg as opposed to regular dura neg.

Durability Negation (Internals).

Link to the page for reference. Yeah so, for some reason we list attacking internals as "Durability Negation". This is misleading in what durability negation even is, as defined by the page itself "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability." but attacking...

vsbattles.com

Durability Negation

The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability. In particular, it enables causing serious damage to an opponent, even with the user's lack of comparable or greater attack potency. A good example of ignoring durability would be poison, as it can kill a person...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[RedReaper616]

And look at that, every Mod and Admin literally said that’s exactly how they approached it before. Almost like it was an…unofficial rule or something? Strange.

Anyway, are any of you excited for that weird Dragon Ball MOBA?

And what’re the conclusions in this thread?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Status update

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree with that

 

[Starsprite53]

Like you can't be 6-A, and have 10-A internals, at that point even a 9-B attack would kill you

Also you can't be FTL without destroying the environment around you yet here we are.
I don't understand the weird selectivity of using strict logic when fiction was never consistent about that, gaslighting ourselves into the thinking the writer takes the details of the details into account when in his mind it litterally "Hehe, funny monkey stronk". Of course, I'm not denying using this logic and I could be agreeing with Chariot, but it should be a case by case scenario, espacially if it was consistent.

 

[Chariot190]

Also you can't be FTL without destroying the environment around you yet here we are.

You can if you prove it. Which is usually done by going FTL and that not happening?

I don't understand the weird selectivity of using strict logic when fiction was never consistent about that,

Never an excuse.
It follows physics and logics until it proves it doesn't, and only that particular thing gets exempted like FTL speed in your example.

gaslighting ourselves into the thinking the writer takes the details of the details into account when in his mind it litterally "Hehe, funny monkey stronk".

Some do, some don't, but most got basic common sense and a basic throughline.
99% of verses isn't Bugs Bunny lad, most at least try to get a general ballpark, like you're never gonna see Jotaro punch out a planet, it's always gonna be in that urban category, which should be obvious given where you are right now, kind of our whole thing is to index where a character is consistently and fairly and most verses have a ballpark they consistently fall into.

Of course, I'm not denying using this logic, but it should be a case by case scenario, espacially if it was consistent.

We assume it follows logic unless explicitly shown otherwise, such as One Punch Man, that makes it clear it isn't the case so we don't treat it like that. Everything else does because it's common sense and we have no reason to just assume it doesn't without proof.
Like by this logic why even calc anything? How do we know it doesn't take 1 joule worth of energy to destroy a planet in context and everyone is actually 10-C? Like come on dude, what are you even arguing this for?

 

[ProudLearner]

Bump

Durability Negation (Internals).

Link to the page for reference. Yeah so, for some reason we list attacking internals as "Durability Negation". This is misleading in what durability negation even is, as defined by the page itself "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability." but attacking...

www.vsbattles.com

 

[SwordLegendz01]

I updated the OP, adding justification and some scans. I removed Durability Negation and replaced it with Explosion Manipulation for Vegeta because it seemed plausible from Nullflowerblush and it wasn't explicitly stated that he actually exploded from within.

For Broly, I'm certain that the explosion shown is different from the external explosion, as it shows a greenish-yellow energy entering Broly's abdomen.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm fine with the new updated OP

 

[SwordLegendz01]

I'm fine with the new updated OP

Thank you

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

New OP should be fine, yeh

 

[Damage3245]

Looks fine to me.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This can be applied now

 

[RedReaper616]

Question, though—Would this only apply to those mentioned in the new OP, or would the conclusion we reached—(That given there’s nothing noteworthy about Broly’s Ki-Raised Durability/He uses his Ki the same way everyone else does)—That it realistically should apply to all Ki Users who amplify their durability?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Limited looks good to me.

 

[ProudLearner]

bump

 

[SwordLegendz01]

It looks like this thread is finished. Can someone close this thread?

For the rest, I'll tidy up Babidi's profile with some justifications and scans.