Sun vs. Sun (Mavuika vs Escanor) (Genshin Impact vs. Nanatsu no Taizai) [Grace]

[Makai641001]

30k is the baseline value for anyone that scales to lightning heat, Escanor vapes people that scale to this value passively.

Gilthunder uses natural lightning and no sold his own lightning sent back with 2x the power (Power and heat correlates in lightning but idk how vsbw treats it so I won’t argue for that)

Resistance to magic correlates with overall power

People with far better resistances than Gil (Even above Ash Hendrikson and co) got vaped by a younger Escanor (Way weaker than present Escanor) passively.

The chain goes like this:
28kC = Lightning heat < no sell gap < Gilthunder, Ash Hendrikson, Izraf base < Hellblaze < no sell gap < Izraf full black plate < Escanor barely transformed

Corand arc Mid morning Escanor > Young The One Escanor to the point where he could tank attacks that one shotted his young the one self.
In Corand Escanor vapes skellies that scales to high ranking demons resistances while in his weakest form.

He also has a huge burst where he can exert the heat he stored for days or even years.

Mavuika is highly Intelligent and calculating; she'd likely figure something out. Also, this match better not become another "Esconor heat is hotter, he just wins" again. That's always the main argument for him, and it gets annoying after a while (I'm looking at you, Thragg vs. Escanor.)

So you take one of the worst crossverse characters in NNT that has only heat manip and expect us to not use his heat manip…

Citing Thragg vs Escanor which was about Thragg and co being able to resist high temps in very short bursts but not for longer exposures is pretty dumb too.

 

[Makai641001]

Voting for Mavuika, she has Spatial Manipulation, Greater Fire and Heat manipulation.
And i think she has resistance to Extreme Heat (1100°c)

If that is true Escanor passively charcoals her instantaneously.

 

[Bossbrosish]

The chain goes like this:
28kC = Lightning heat < no sell gap < Gilthunder, Ash Hendrikson, Izraf base < Hellblaze < no sell gap < Izraf full black plate < Escanor barely transformed

Don't these types of chains need a CRT thread for them? I'm assuming any type of scaling involving heat needs a CRT of some sort.

 

[Makai641001]

Don't these types of chains need a CRT thread for them? I'm assuming any type of scaling involving heat needs a CRT of some sort.

They don’t, specifically cause the base value remains unchanged.

Escanor is just charcoal gaps above said value.

Voting Escanor, he insta charcoals people with resistances scaling 25.2x higher than Mavuika even in his weakest forms.

Top of class M to bottom of class P is a 1 million x difference too lol

She doesn’t take skills either.

 

[Majinere566]

There are other NNT characters other than Escanor to use Bossbrosish….

 

[Makai641001]

There are other NNT characters other than Escanor to use Bossbrosish….

Fr fr you can’t blame the game when you’re the one making the rules.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

There are other NNT characters other than Escanor to use Bossbrosish….

All this because Escanor defeated his character in a battle. Now he tries to create a battle for Escanor to lose.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Fr fr you can’t blame the game when you’re the one making the rules.

I'm aware but if there's a thematic match up I like I'm making it.

All this because Escanor defeated his character in a battle. Now he tries to create a battle for Escanor to lose.

 

[Makai641001]

All this because Escanor defeated his character in a battle. Now he tries to create a battle for Escanor to lose.

And he did with the WB prime rematch that’s a formidable exemple of tenacity even though Escanor should’ve won.

But yeah:
Connor vs Escanor
Atomic Godzilla vs Escanor
Shadow (Paramount) vs Escanor
Snyderverse Superman vs Escanor
And now Mavuika vs Escanor

Every time he thought he had a chance but of course it had no effect Escanor has no reason to feel hatred towards those beneath him.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I'm aware but if there's a thematic match up I like I'm making it.

Dude, you put Escanor up against a Superman 2-C who could resist his heat, that's actually funny

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what is this corny talk
anyway does mavuika have ANY wincon or is this escanor aura farming

 

[Demon_Lord18]

what is this corny talk
anyway does mavuika have ANY wincon or is this escanor aura farming

From what I saw, only spatial manipulation

 

[PedjaTarzan]

if the location range makes this a stomp ig just change that and keep everything the same (since apparently she doesnt even have enough time to fly away before being turned to charcoal)

 

[Makai641001]

Ain’t her space manip just about breaking abyss walls (Akin to what Zeldris did in Cursed by light cutting a dimension) ?

Wc’s for Mavuika:
-Possibly Space Manip (Even though cracking dimensions open won’t help)

Wc’s for Escanor:
-Power/speed amps (The One, The One Ultimate)
-Passive heat
-Charge and Fire
-AOE attacks/Danmaku
-Lifting Strength at least a million times higher
-Skill gap
-Overwhelming aura

Make her start a few km away at least cuz him flexing his aura can range up to at least a few km.

Also restrict The One and The One Ultimate and empty Rhitta’s reserves.

 

[MSahla]

Ain’t her space manip just about breaking abyss walls (Akin to what Zeldris did in Cursed by light cutting a dimension) ?

No, attacking with strong enough elemental power can Warp the space itself. Basically every genshin character has Spatial manip especially the gods.

 

[Makai641001]

No, attacking with strong enough elemental power can Warp the space itself. Basically every genshin character has Spatial manip especially the gods.

So, this seems to drain them massively on top of having really bad range.

Does Mavuika use it in character with sufficient range to avoid getting the Izraf treatment ?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also restrict The One and The One Ultimate and empty Rhitta’s reserves.

The restriction was already there since it was one of the first things I did when making the match and am I even allowed to empty Rhitta's reserve? Would the match still be addable if I did that?

I'd also like to point out that Mavuika has planetary range with her strongest attacks

 

[Makai641001]

The restriction was already there since it was one of the first things I did when making the match and am I even allowed to empty Rhitta's reserve? Would the match still be addable if I did that?

Probably not possible to add it, but with it Escanor has an extra amp that boosts his grace

I'd also like to point out that Mavuika has planetary range with her strongest attacks

Ok it won’t really help that much but cool
(Btw can’t you use this moon destroying Feat to calc the speed of the attack it might give Relativistic results)

Btw the space warping effects are never shown on another characters if There is an exemple of how it works can you send it here

 

[Bossbrosish]

Btw the space warping effects are never shown on another characters if There is an exemple of how it works can you send it here

Here's the link for her spatial manipulation feat and other statements of spacial manipulation

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Here's the link for her spatial manipulation feat

better feat is her breaking the false sky, she can use that against escanor

So, this seems to drain them massively on top of having really bad range.

Well it affects regular vision users but archons who hold authority over elements dont seem
to have this issue

 

[Bossbrosish]

Anyone know how the soul manipulation in the fundamental mechanism for Genshin work? It says they can interact with elemental life forms, but it's just interacting and not manipulating them right?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Anyone know how the soul manipulation in the fundamental mechanism for Genshin work? It says they can interact with elemental life forms, but it's just interacting and not manipulating them right?

just interacting

 

[Bossbrosish]

just interacting

Any idea if Mavuika would be able to interact with Escanor's soul, or if the soul interaction applies to elemental beings only? I know in the The Last Survivor of Tenochtzitoc quest, Citlali used a spell to attach a part of her spirit to Enjou's body

 

[Majinere566]

No, attacking with strong enough elemental power can Warp the space itself. Basically every genshin character has Spatial manip especially the gods.

Escanor negating Spatial manipulation

 

[Bossbrosish]

Escanor negating Spatial manipulation

I'm a bit focused. How is this negating Spatial manipulation? I read through the chapter online to try and understand it. Is it the fact that he transformed when there's no morning or night? Also looks more like at the end he did some sort of spatial manipulation to the area, at least that's what it looks like to me.

 

[Makai641001]

Here's the link for her spatial manipulation feat and other statements of spacial manipulation

It is used to:
Break through dimensional walls
Portal creation

It isn’t combat applicable ngl it’s a shit win con.

better feat is her breaking the false sky, she can use that against escanor

Ok so that’s really mid

Well it affects regular vision users but archons who hold authority over elements dont seem
to have this issue

okok

Escanor negating Spatial manipulation

Escanor nulls Space warping for « boom » reason

 

[Makai641001]

I'm a bit focused. How is this negating Spatial manipulation? I read through the chapter online to try and understand it. Is it the fact that he transformed when there's no morning or night? Also looks more like at the end he did some sort of spatial manipulation to the area, at least that's what it looks like to me.

Izraf was warping space with his night spell, Escanor flexing his aura broke the spell entirely (the panel you’ve shown is just the remnants of the country of edimburg after he flexed.

 

[Bossbrosish]

28kC = Lightning heat < no sell gap < Gilthunder, Ash Hendrikson, Izraf base < Hellblaze < no sell gap < Izraf full black plate < Escanor barely transformed

So I talked to a a few staff members and was told you'd need a CRT involving scaling chains

 

[Makai641001]

So I talked to a a few staff members and was told you'd need a CRT involving scaling chains

Thing is:
1) We don’t Need the Scaling chain, the base 27760•C value is already enough.

2) A Scaling that doesn’t involve a change in the value should not need a CRT since the value stays the same and visual evidence is the only needed one.

We will make a CRT about heat just to make sure it won’t perturb future vs threads but as of rn the baseline lightning heat is enough to one tap Mavuika.

 

[Makai641001]

NNT Heat scaling chain

Hello, we were told that NNT heat scaling chain would need an approval in a CRT. Here are a few important informations: 1) Magic in NNT involves natural elements. 2) Resistances correlates with the overall power of someone. On different occasions Meliodas, Gilthunder, Hendrikson all resisted...

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If y’all have anything to say

 

[OmniScalator]

non combat application philgiston info 2 is non combat application

they literally use that IM2 to boost their strength in combat

 

[OmniScalator]

Don't know much about either character but I'm going to point out something just from reading Escanor's profile. To quote his Notable Attacks/Techniques section:

"Also note that the heat and fire produced by Sunshine is superior to natural fire, as it was able to instantly vaporize Izraf's Black Full-Plate, which he said was impregnable even to the Demon Clan's purgatory fire. Purgatory fire burned down the Fairy King's Forest, which is immune to natural fire."

Flame - Wikipedia

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According to Wikipedia, the hottest fire that can be produced naturally (aka without magic and all that) is 5730°C. Escanor's heat and flames are immensely above that AND he's immune to them.

And phlogiston is denser than fire itself, meaning mavuika will also upscale from this

 

[OmniScalator]

So, this seems to drain them massively on top of having really bad range.

Does Mavuika use it in character with sufficient range to avoid getting the Izraf treatment ?

She massively outscales xiao, so it won't drain her or even scratch her stamina

 

[AThe1412]

And phlogiston is denser than fire itself, meaning mavuika will also upscale from this

30k is the baseline value for anyone that scales to lightning heat, Escanor vapes people that scale to this value passively.

Gilthunder uses natural lightning and no sold his own lightning sent back with 2x the power (Power and heat correlates in lightning but idk how vsbw treats it so I won’t argue for that)

Resistance to magic correlates with overall power

People with far better resistances than Gil (Even above Ash Hendrikson and co) got vaped by a younger Escanor (Way weaker than present Escanor) passively.

The chain goes like this:
28kC = Lightning heat < no sell gap < Gilthunder, Ash Hendrikson, Izraf base < Hellblaze < no sell gap < Izraf full black plate < Escanor barely transformed

Corand arc Mid morning Escanor > Young The One Escanor to the point where he could tank attacks that one shotted his young the one self.
In Corand Escanor vapes skellies that scales to high ranking demons resistances while in his weakest form.

He also has a huge burst where he can exert the heat he stored for days or even years.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

And phlogiston is denser than fire itself, meaning mavuika will also upscale from this

pholgiston has not heat value it is primal energy it has no quantifable energy and she does not use it in combat, she justs pyro.

 

[OmniScalator]

pholgiston has not heat value it is primal energy it has no quantifable energy and she does not use it in combat, she justs pyro.

Phlogiston is literally called "high temperature thermal energy" too so it does have heat value

And every natlanese use phlogiston in combat, just check out nightsoul blessings state

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Phlogiston is literally called "thermal energy" too so it does have heat value

And every natlanese use phlogiston in combat, just check out nightsoul blessings state

it has no quantifable value and it is not heat energy, it is programable energy/matter. It can`t be quantififled.

 

[OmniScalator]

it is not heat energy, it is programable energy/matter. It can`t be quantififled.

"high temperature thermal energy", it is both high temperature heat energy and programmable matter/energy

And even if it can't be quantified, it is told to be denser than fire

 

[PedjaTarzan]

phlogiston is either lava temperature (liquid) or that boiling air in chascas region (gasious phlogisto)
now in volcanic region theres phlogiston barrier that can incinerate you since its FAR hotter than normal phlogiston

 

[Voidnether]

"high temperature thermal energy", it is both high temperature heat energy and programmable matter/energy

And even if it can't be quantified, it is told to be denser than fire

Denser than fire doesn't equate to it having higher temperatures, if it works like this then Phainon on his fire form would incinerate LITERALLY EVERYONE just from his aura. How do you even come to this conclusion