Sun vs. Sun (Mavuika vs Escanor) (Genshin Impact vs. Nanatsu no Taizai) [Grace]

[Bossbrosish]

Just finished Mavuika's story quest and thought this would be a fun thing to do. (Hope this isn't a stomp somehow)

Ronova Amp Mavuika and Near-noon Demon King Arc Escanor are being used. The One and The One Ultimate are being restricted. Speed is equalized. The battle takes place in the Stadium of the Sacred Flame arena start and they start 0.11 km (110 meters) away.

Mavuika AP: 59.44 Zettatons

Escanor AP: 60.288 Zettatons

(1.01x difference in Escanor's favor)

Mavuika: 0

Escanor: 7 (Makai641001, Shey, Speedster352, Voidnether, Demon_lord18, Bossbrosish, MatterNerd)

Draw: 0

 

[MSahla]

Hoho.. What an interesting match indeed.

So basically.. Passive (Escanor) vs Greater (Mavuika) Fire Manipulation.
Honestly i dont even know who's better, if i think about it maybe passive.

Escanor didn't resist to greater fire manip nor Mavuika resist his passive fire manip (only heat manip).

But Mavuika has IM2 though.. So can he handle that?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Hoho.. What an interesting match indeed.

So basically.. Passive (Escanor) vs Greater (Mavuika) Fire Manipulation.
Honestly i dont even know who's better, if i think about it maybe passive.

Escanor didn't resist to greater fire manip nor Mavuika resist his passive fire manip (only heat manip).

But Mavuika has IM2 though.. So can he handle that?

non combat application philgiston info 2 is non combat application

 

[MSahla]

non combat application philgiston info 2 is non combat application

Alr then but she still has Fundamental Mechanism Elemental Manipulation which has Spatial Manip, IM (1) Transmutation and others.

Edit: and also LeyLine Manipulation with bunch of haxes there

 

[Bossbrosish]

I feel like in terms of combat Mavuika should have an edge, considering she fought Capitano and Xbalanque evenly

 

[MSahla]

I feel like in terms of combat Mavuika should have an edge, considering she fought Capitano and Xbalanque evenly

You better finish that Skirk CRT of yours first buddy

battle experience goes to Mavuika for sure.

 

[ZENZUYA]

I would like to put mavuika tho

Knowing the arena is sacred flame stadium mavuika would be able to throw him to the abyss using her punch that can split the abyss

Can Escanor survive the passive ability in the abyss?

 

[ZENZUYA]

And mavuika had better combat experience here
.
She can even fought a mighty warrior like Capitano and even Xbalanque

 

[Bossbrosish]

Can Escanor survive the passive ability in the abyss?

He has Unconventional Soul Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation and Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation on his profile and resistance to Possession and Madness Manipulation (Type 2). He could resist some aspects of the abyss but not all of it.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Alr then but she still has Fundamental Mechanism Elemental Manipulation which has Spatial Manip, IM (1) Transmutation and others.

Edit: and also LeyLine Manipulation with bunch of haxes there

she does not use leylines nor can control it. The gnosis does not give her comabt applicable leyline control. Spatial manipulation she only uses for portal, tranmusation is non combat application.

 

[MSahla]

she does not use leylines nor can control it. The gnosis does not give her comabt applicable leyline control. Spatial manipulation she only uses for portal, tranmusation is non combat application.

No, not only for portal. In Fundamental Mechanism section it says Strong attacks fueled with Elemental Energy can warp space itself.

So basically everyone who have Fundamental Mechanism has Spatial Manipulation.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bump

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bump

 

[MSahla]

Voting for Mavuika, she has Spatial Manipulation, Greater Fire and Heat manipulation.
And i think she has resistance to Extreme Heat (1100°c)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

she does not use leylines nor can control it. The gnosis does not give her comabt applicable leyline control. Spatial manipulation she only uses for portal, tranmusation is non combat application.

Leyline control should be removed minus what she can do with nightkingdom cuz she at least has that
Also id like to mention that since this is ronova amped mavuika she has that attack which broke the false sky so she has spatial manipulation from that as well

 

[Lloydblitzed]

And mavuika had better combat experience here
.
She can even fought a mighty warrior like Capitano and even Xbalanque

Escanor fought Meliodas who did well in a 10 v 1. Don't think her combat exp matches him

 

[AThe1412]

Voting for Mavuika, she has Spatial Manipulation, Greater Fire and Heat manipulation.
And i think she has resistance to Extreme Heat (1100°c)

Don't know much about either character but I'm going to point out something just from reading Escanor's profile. To quote his Notable Attacks/Techniques section:

"Also note that the heat and fire produced by Sunshine is superior to natural fire, as it was able to instantly vaporize Izraf's Black Full-Plate, which he said was impregnable even to the Demon Clan's purgatory fire. Purgatory fire burned down the Fairy King's Forest, which is immune to natural fire."

Flame - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

According to Wikipedia, the hottest fire that can be produced naturally (aka without magic and all that) is 5730°C. Escanor's heat and flames are immensely above that AND he's immune to them.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Don't know much about either character but I'm going to point out something just from reading Escanor's profile. To quote his Notable Attacks/Techniques section:

"Also note that the heat and fire produced by Sunshine is superior to natural fire, as it was able to instantly vaporize Izraf's Black Full-Plate, which he said was impregnable even to the Demon Clan's purgatory fire. Purgatory fire burned down the Fairy King's Forest, which is immune to natural fire."

Flame - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

According to Wikipedia, the hottest fire that can be produced naturally (aka without magic and all that) is 5730°C. Escanor's heat and flames are immensely above that AND he's immune to them.

Not only that but he has a massive LS advantage which means he can also crush her

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Can escanor fly? since mavuika has shown multiple times the ability to fly? she also spammed fireballs in act 4 when we fought against the abyss
also does he resist spatial based attacks

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can escanor fly?

He once used his own Cruel Sun to fly and catch up to Estarossa before one tapping him

also does he resist spatial based attacks

No

 

[PedjaTarzan]

He once used his own Cruel Sun to fly and catch up to Estarossa before one tapping him

well thay depends if he has ability to fly for a while to catch up with mavuka, if he cannot then mavuika has massive advantage with that

No

well then i can say that her two wincons are ability to fly and the attack which broke false sky as a blow which can kill him unless he has some insane regeneration

 

[AThe1412]

Can escanor fly? since mavuika has shown multiple times the ability to fly?

"Flight (via riding on Cruel Sun)

Cruel Sun: Escanor forms a miniature sun in his hand that radiates immense heat. He can control its movements, using it to strike enemies as well as standing on it and using it as a flying vehicle. He can greatly enlarge the sun by putting more power into it."

she also spammed fireballs in act 4 when we fought against the abyss

His passive heat aura alone is kilometers in range and she isn't doing anything to him if her fire is really only 1100°C.

 

[MSahla]

Don't know much about either character but I'm going to point out something just from reading Escanor's profile. To quote his Notable Attacks/Techniques section:

"Also note that the heat and fire produced by Sunshine is superior to natural fire, as it was able to instantly vaporize Izraf's Black Full-Plate, which he said was impregnable even to the Demon Clan's purgatory fire. Purgatory fire burned down the Fairy King's Forest, which is immune to natural fire."

Flame - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

According to Wikipedia, the hottest fire that can be produced naturally (aka without magic and all that) is 5730°C. Escanor's heat and flames are immensely above that AND he's immune to them.

Alr then i guess her resistance to extreme heat wont work. But she still have Spatial Manipulation though, thats also her wincon since Escanor doesn't resist it.

Edit: since her Range is Planetary i guess she can just Fly anywhere and hit him with her Homing Attack from a long distance too.

 

[MSahla]

His passive heat aura alone is kilometers in range and she isn't doing anything to him if her fire is really only 1100°C.

That 1100°c is her resistance

 

[Bossbrosish]

"Flight (via riding on Cruel Sun)

Cruel Sun: Escanor forms a miniature sun in his hand that radiates immense heat. He can control its movements, using it to strike enemies as well as standing on it and using it as a flying vehicle. He can greatly enlarge the sun by putting more power into it."

In terms of flight mobility, Mavuika should be far better. It looks more like he uses it in a straight path than true flight, like Mavuika does.

 

[MSahla]

In terms of flight mobility, Mavuika should be far better. It looks more like he uses it in a straight path than true flight, like Mavuika does.

True, Mavuika is better at Flight Mobility and she use it for Dodge and Attack too

 

[AThe1412]

Okay, but like Escanor starts by blasting his aura. Since the fight takes place inside the Stadium, Mavuika is well within range and won't have enough time to fly away nor would she know that she has to do that.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Okay, but like Escanor starts by blasting his aura. Since the fight takes place inside the Stadium, Mavuika is well within range and won't have enough time to fly away nor would she know that she has to do that.

Mavuika is highly Intelligent and calculating; she'd likely figure something out. Also, this match better not become another "Esconor heat is hotter, he just wins" again. That's always the main argument for him, and it gets annoying after a while (I'm looking at you, Thragg vs. Escanor.)

 

[AThe1412]

Mavuika is highly Intelligent and calculating; she'd likely figure something out. Also, this match better not become another "Esconor heat is hotter, he just wins" again. That's always the main argument for him, and it gets annoying after a while (I'm looking at you, Thragg vs. Escanor.)

Mavuika being highly intelligent and calculating doesn't matter at all. She's getting blasted with the aura the moment the fight begins. Also, Thragg has really good heat resistance and much higher LS which allowed him to just toss Escanor into space.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Mavuika being highly intelligent and calculating doesn't matter at all. She's getting blasted with the aura the moment the fight begins. Also, Thragg had really good heat resistance.

I won't lie that he did, but that match was a sh*t show from when I was looking through it. (A whole lot of back and forth that made me do this)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Mavuika being highly intelligent and calculating doesn't matter at all. She's getting blasted with the aura the moment the fight begins. Also, Thragg has really good heat resistance and much higher LS which allowed him to just toss Escanor into space.

Imo Escanor should take this via outskilling

 

[Gamecooob]

I remember Escanor's heatslop upscaling massively from 30000C or something, a while back.
Where tf did that go?

 

[Bossbrosish]

I remember Escanor's heatslop upscaling massively from 30000C or something, a while back.
Where tf did that go?

Escanor's heat is all over the place. I keep seeing different answers for it from the matches I've done with him. I don't even think there's a concrete number.

 

[speedster352]

Escanor's heat is accepted to be hotter than lightning since it affects Gilthunder who can no sell his reflected lightning. The first thing Escanor would do is blast his heat aura, which engulfed Edinborough in a weaker state the only reason he doesn't do that all the time is becuase his allies are around.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Escanor's heat is accepted to be hotter than lightning since it affects Gilthunder who can no sell his reflected lightning. The first thing Escanor would do is blast his heat aura, which engulfed Edinborough in a weaker state the only reason he doesn't do that all the time is becuase his allies are around.

Mind sending where it's accepted? (Honestly, his heat should at least have a number on his profile for consistency)

 

[speedster352]

Mind sending where it's accepted? (Honestly, his heat should at least have a number on his profile for consistency)

I'm not sure if there is a CRT for it, but I am sure most of the nnt community agrees with the heat scaling. You could try tagging makai

 

[Bossbrosish]

I'm not sure if there is a CRT for it, but I am sure most of the nnt community agrees with the heat scaling. You could try tagging makai

I feel like there should be a CRT at least, but I'll send him a message. (I can't tag lol, I'm not an admin or whatever)

 

[Bossbrosish]

I feel like there should be a CRT at least, but I'll send him a message. (I can't tag lol, I'm not an admin or whatever)

Alright so I can't send a message (can't view the profile)

 

[speedster352]

Alright so I can't send a message (can't view the profile)

I tagged him the the nnt chat so we just need to wait.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Escanor's heat is all over the place. I keep seeing different answers for it from the matches I've done with him. I don't even think there's a concrete number.

I'm sure it's always been argued that 30k is the minimum for your heat