NNT Heat scaling chain

[Makai641001]

Hello, we were told that NNT heat scaling chain would need an approval in a CRT.

Here are a few important informations:
1) Magic in NNT involves natural elements.
2) Resistances correlates with the overall power of someone.

On different occasions Meliodas, Gilthunder, Hendrikson all resisted prolunged exposure to lightning while in mid air.

All these characters should scale on a 27760•C baseline.

I don’t really know how VSBW treats this but Lightning heat correlation with it’s power but Gilthunder tanking a Full countered Lightning should be around 54000•C y’all can vote for whatever chain.

Izraf the vampire king exceeds Ash Hendrikson’s power by quite a margin and is among the characters with the most heat resistance statements with only Purgatory fire being able to harm him.

The chain is simple:
27760•C < No sell gap < Hendrikson, Meliodas, Gilthunder, Base Izraf < Purgatory fire < No sell gap < Black full plate Izraf < Passive insta charcoal gap < Young dawn Escanor’s passive heat < Present Dawn Escanor passive heat < Present Mid morning Escanor passive heat < no sell gap < Estarossa < Mid Morning pride flare < Estarossa’s darkness < charcoal gap < Mid Morning Cruel sun < Full countered Mid morning Cruel Sun < no sell gap < AM Meliodas

Kindly remember that Rhitta store part of his passive output and can release it all at once with charge and fire.

Note that this Young dawn form of Escanor is the weakest ever showcased outside of his night forms, his young The One self got one tapped by AM Meli while his present Mid Morning form tanked a destroyer type enchanted attack (10x amp) from the same AM Meliodas.

If y’all take in consideration the FC’d lightning Escanor upscales from 55520•C else 27760•C

Remember that FC doesn’t only change the AP of the attack it also amps size possibly speed and was shown also amping heat to an extent the Albion that also produced his beams inside of his own body got vaped by his FC’d attack.

Agree:
@Damage3245
@KaydeeX @speedster352
@FinePoint

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the crt

 

[Damage3245]

I don’t really know how VSBW treats this but Lightning heat correlation with it’s power but Gilthunder tanking a Full countered Lightning should be around 54000•C y’all can vote for whatever chain.

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

Yeah, I'm not fully works without potentially reaching Calc Stacking territory. And a 2x multiplier could be for the specific heat capacity or mass, or some lose in betweens here and there. And even then, AP/Durability wise, that's all still considered underwhelming relative to tiers logically.

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah, I'm not fully works without potentially reaching Calc Stacking territory. And a 2x multiplier could be for the specific heat capacity or mass, or some lose in betweens here and there. And even then, AP/Durability wise, that's all still considered underwhelming relative to tiers logically.

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

Ok so np with the chain in itself it’s more about the potency correlating to heat.

Thanks

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah, I'm not fully works without potentially reaching Calc Stacking territory. And a 2x multiplier could be for the specific heat capacity or mass, or some lose in betweens here and there. And even then, AP/Durability wise, that's all still considered underwhelming relative to tiers logically.

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

Ok so np with the chain in itself it’s more about the potency correlating to heat.

Thanks

 

[DavidTPPM]

One issue is that tanking lightning doesn't necessarily scale one to its temperature (otherwise even irl humans would be essentially immune to fire lmao).

Lightning has extremely low mass and lasts for only a fraction of a second meaning that while it is really hot, that heat won't effectively transfer in a reasonable way. So scaling heat resistance to it can maybe work if they bathed in the lightning for a looong time, but simply getting hit by a lightning bolt would not even be significantly above human level heat resistance

 

[Majinere566]

He’s usually enveloped with lightning while fighting

 

[Makai641001]

One issue is that tanking lightning doesn't necessarily scale one to its temperature (otherwise even irl humans would be essentially immune to fire lmao).

Read the OP:

« On different occasions Meliodas, Gilthunder, Hendrikson all resisted prolunged exposure to lightning while in mid air »

Lightning has extremely low mass and lasts for only a fraction of a second meaning that while it is really hot, that heat won't effectively transfer in a reasonable way. So scaling heat resistance to it can maybe work if they bathed in the lightning for a looong time, but simply getting hit by a lightning bolt would not even be significantly above human level heat resistance

I’ve shown multiple occasions where they bathed in the lightnings for a Pretty long time, on top of that as Majinere suggested Gil and co generally are envelopped by it without drawbacks.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Read the OP:

That really doesn't seem prolonged ngl.

I’ve shown multiple occasions where they bathed in the lightnings for a Pretty long time, on top of that as Majinere suggested Gil and co generally are envelopped by it without drawbacks.

Do we know how long would you have to be enveloped by lightning to actually require resistance to its temperature levels?

 

[Makai641001]

That really doesn't seem prolonged ngl.

Gil was keeping his lightning on Meliodas which got amped for a few more seconds

Gil litteraly gets envelopped by the lightning for most of the fight.

Do we know how long would you have to be enveloped by lightning to actually require resistance to its temperature levels?

Humans typically resists due to ground dispersion.

While in mid air the electricity passes through your body instantly heating it.

 

[Makai641001]

If there is no more contentions with this should we create an explanation page or just add the value to the profiles ?

 

[Bossbrosish]

which got amped for a few more seconds

Amping a lightning bolt wouldn't mean it's amping the heat

 

[Makai641001]

Amping a lightning bolt wouldn't mean it's amping the heat

Technically it would absolutely amp it’s heat but ig VSBW didn’t introduce this notion yet, but that was just not the point.

Btw FC seems to multiply heat too

Remember that FC doesn’t only change the AP of the attack it also amps size possibly speed and was shown also amping heat to an extent the Albion that also produced his beams inside of his own body got vaped by his FC’d attack.

The person was saying that it didn’t look like prolonged exposure I then told Meliodas tanked lightning for a pretty long time and then it was amped for an additional time.

Y’all have to realise that humans tanking lightning isn’t an antifeat it’s due to ground dispersion and the fact that lightning reach these temps by heating the air.

In mid air a human would turn into a litteral plasma ball if he was hit without any dispersion for even less than a second.

Meliodas, Gilthunder Hendrikson and even Diane were all exposed to lightnings in the air for prolonged periods of time.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Amping a lightning bolt wouldn't mean it's amping the heat

The guy reduced Makai's comment to just that

Increasing the current also raises the temperature.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I found the anime scene with Hendrickson for those to look at instead of using a manga panel. (I couldn't find the others ones since I was sure it was the correct ones based on the other ones provided)

The guy reduced Makai's comment to just that

Increasing the current also raises the temperature.

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

Yeah, I'm not fully works without potentially reaching Calc Stacking territory. And a 2x multiplier could be for the specific heat capacity or mass, or some lose in betweens here and there. And even then, AP/Durability wise, that's all still considered underwhelming relative to tiers logically.

I'm just going off what the staff said

 

[Makai641001]

I found the anime scene with Hendrickson for those to look at instead of using a manga panel. (I couldn't find the others ones since I was sure it was the correct ones based on the other ones provided)



I'm just going off what the staff said

The staffs follow what’s on VSBW but irl increased current = increased heat

Anyway we have in verse showings that suggests Heat too is increased by fc as showed in the OP.

Also thanks for the anime scene i was a bit busy so I did not add it

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also thanks for the anime scene

No worries. In terms of this type of scaling for prolonged exposure, I believe using the anime would work better than a manga panel. I also went ahead and messaged more staff to look at this while I was at it.

 

[Makai641001]

No worries. In terms of this type of scaling for prolonged exposure, I believe using the anime would work better than a manga panel. I also went ahead and messaged more staff to look at this while I was at it.

Yeah thanks !

 

[Kaydee1648]

I agree with the OP
just for clarification, how many no sell gap is being proposed?

 

[Makai641001]

I agree with the OP
just for clarification, how many no sell gap is being proposed?

Thanks for your vote, 4 no sells but ngl i think we can add a few more I was really busy.

Edit:
His direct attack are obviously granted a higher rating as they are way hotter than his passive output.

Each of his forms get a higher rating too

Charge and fire also is a higher rating

 

[Makai641001]

Doubling the AP of a lightning bolt isn't going to necessarily double the temperature for it.

Yeah, I'm not fully works without potentially reaching Calc Stacking territory. And a 2x multiplier could be for the specific heat capacity or mass, or some lose in betweens here and there. And even then, AP/Durability wise, that's all still considered underwhelming relative to tiers logically.

Do y’all agree with the chain ?

 

[Damage3245]

I don't have any problem with the scaling chain at large, but just want to note that I don't think that Escanor is always passively releasing heat on that level; there isn't an indication that he's releasing heat in his fight against Estarossa until he brings out his sun and then we see the ground start bubbling and the people around Escanor get affected by the heat. Since Esterossa is seen to be fine here while others like Gilthunder are struggling then this scan should be used instead.

 

[Makai641001]

I don't have any problem with the scaling chain at large, but just want to note that I don't think that Escanor is always passively releasing heat on that level; there isn't an indication that he's releasing heat in his fight against Estarossa until he brings out his sun and then we see the ground start bubbling and the people around Escanor get affected by the heat. Since Esterossa is seen to be fine here while others like Gilthunder are struggling then this scan should be used instead.

Escanor body always exudes heat that’s how his body is Made and the more the sun rise the more the heat gets intense doesn’t make sense for him to have greater passive Heat at dawn in his weakest form ever but ig we can use this panel too.

Estarossa is fine cause he resists, he even resisted contact with the sun.

 

[Damage3245]

Escanor body always exudes heat that’s how his body is Made and the more the sun rise the more the heat gets intense.

Estarossa is fine cause he resists, he even resisted contact with the sun.

Okay, that's fine. Escanor holding Rhitta in that scene would explain why he wasn't frying his allies nearby until he pulled out the sun attack.

 

[Makai641001]

Okay, that's fine. Escanor holding Rhitta in that scene would explain why he wasn't frying his allies nearby until he pulled out the sun attack.

So can we add the lightning heat value to the profiles ?

 

[Damage3245]

Would need more than just my agreement alone, I think.

 

[OmniScalator]

I don't have any problem with the scaling chain at large, but just want to note that I don't think that Escanor is always passively releasing heat on that level; there isn't an indication that he's releasing heat in his fight against Estarossa until he brings out his sun and then we see the ground start bubbling and the people around Escanor get affected by the heat. Since Esterossa is seen to be fine here while others like Gilthunder are struggling then this scan should be used instead.

Also should we agree on passive heat being plasma level everywhere? Because it would imply that his surrounding must get converted into plasma but they just bubble up

Maybe a feat where all of surrounding got converted into plasma may suffice for scaling to plasma level heat resistance? Since it is said to be passive attack

 

[Makai641001]

Also should we agree on passive heat being plasma level everywhere? Because it would imply that his surrounding must get converted into plasma but they just bubble up

Maybe a feat where all of surrounding got converted into plasma may suffice for scaling to plasma level heat resistance? Since it is said to be passive attack

That’s not how it works.

It does affect people that resists lightning so it upscales.

 

[OmniScalator]

That’s not how it works.

It does affect people that resists lightning so it upscales.

Well, if it doesn't convert surrounding into plasma, it is not passive on the level of plasma temperature

If it is passive and doesn't convert surroundings into plasma, it is anti feat for those guys who got vaporized

Can you share scans about guys with "prolonged exposure" to lightning getting vaporized too, where exposure being "prolonged" have any evidence, maybe we can consider meliodas one

So was meliodas vaporized by his heat?

 

[Majinere566]

I’m really failing to understand the point at hand right now

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I’m really failing to understand the point at hand right now

From what I understand, he wants Escanor to turn the environment into plasma

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also should we agree on passive heat being plasma level everywhere? Because it would imply that his surrounding must get converted into plasma but they just bubble up

Maybe a feat where all of surrounding got converted into plasma may suffice for scaling to plasma level heat resistance? Since it is said to be passive attack

Well, if it doesn't convert surrounding into plasma, it is not passive on the level of plasma temperature

If it is passive and doesn't convert surroundings into plasma, it is anti feat for those guys

Can you share scans about guys with "prolonged exposure" to lightning getting vaporized too, where exposure being "prolonged" have any evidence, maybe we can consider meliodas one

So was meliodas vaporized by his heat?

From what I understand (which I hope I'm right) Omni is saying that if Escanor's heat upscales from lightning, his heat would reach plasma levels of eat and wouldn't 'bubble up' the surrounding areas. Omni is basically asking for a feat from Escanor where his heat reaches these types of temperatures and affects the area similar to plasma (ionization I'm guessing, like how lightning ionizes the air) (or a character getting vaporized by lightning I'm guessing, that too)

Also, lightning is made of Plasma, so I guess that's what Omni is talking about as well? So basically, no feat of Escanor heat being equal to plasma= anti-feat.

 

[FinePoint]

Are we sure the exposure to the lightning is prolonged?

Under normal circumstances the heat of lightning isn't really a factor due to how fast it passes.

 

[Damage3245]

Are we sure the exposure to the lightning is prolonged?

Under normal circumstances the heat of lightning isn't really a factor due to how fast it passes.

I think the idea of it is that Gilthunder is capable of cloaking himself in lightning without any negative repurcusions. Though if he were constatly cloaked in such temperatures for a prolonged period of time then you'd expected his surroundings or his own armor to sustain some heat damage.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Are we sure the exposure to the lightning is prolonged?

Under normal circumstances the heat of lightning isn't really a factor due to how fast it passes.

This is this anime scene with Hendrickson, though I'm not sure how long someone would need to be exposed for to get heat resistance.

 

[speedster352]

I think the idea of it is that Gilthunder is capable of cloaking himself in lightning without any negative repurcusions. Though if he were constatly cloaked in such temperatures for a prolonged period of time then you'd expected his surroundings or his own armor to sustain some heat damage.

Maybe he is able to control the effects so it doesn’t destroy his surroundings? He still is clocked in lightning so he should scale to the heat.

 

[Makai641001]

Well, if it doesn't convert surrounding into plasma, it is not passive on the level of plasma temperature

Character A has resistance to lightning temps, Escanor vapes him passively = he scales above his resistance.

It’s a style over substance fallacy

If it is passive and doesn't convert surroundings into plasma, it is anti feat for those guys who got vaporized

It is not

Can you share scans about guys with "prolonged exposure" to lightning getting vaporized too, where exposure being "prolonged" have any evidence, maybe we can consider meliodas one

If they got vaped it would mean that they don’t scale…

So was meliodas vaporized by his heat?

That’s the point, he resists…

 

[Makai641001]

Are we sure the exposure to the lightning is prolonged?

Under normal circumstances the heat of lightning isn't really a factor due to how fast it passes.

We are sure yeah, if we were to talk irl a few miliseconds of exposure while in mid air would expose you to the 30000 degrees turning you into a piece of charcoaled flesh.

Gilthunder cloaks himself with lightning constantly during fights without any drawback.
(Btw damage his armor is magical… that’s an appeal to reality)

Hendrickson survived this

More prolonged exposure

Percival for litteral seconds

And check the op Meliodas survived entire seconds inside a Lightning that was maintained on him and then amped further.

Surviving lightning heat is common for NNT low tiers.