Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Astral_Trinity439]

Finding a lot of good stuff.

By the way, this seems to be limited to WN, because the date is before other-dimensional worlds were introduced in the LN, lol

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I think we can use it as supporting evidence to show author Intent since he was writing volume 7 at the time and these ideas seem to have stuck with him using the exact phrase of other dimensional worlds and "world" referring to something that is the universe or dimension.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Monsters have poison resistance by default? Is it because they are built out of magicules when for normal humans too big dose of it may cause death?

Huh, easy upgrade....

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I think we can use it as supporting evidence to show author Intent since he was writing volume 7 at the time and these ideas seem to have stuck with him using the exact phrase of other dimensional worlds and "world" referring to something that is the universe or dimension.

Valid. Tho I think by Dimensions he strictly meant what the questioner was referring to, aka a Universe, not the in-verse term we call "Dimensions".

I still think Dimensions and Worlds are different tbh, for a variety of reasons. One such as this:

This one was so obvious xD, yet it only came to mind now that I'm making a blog that's part of my upcoming staff thread:

Yet another proof that Dimensions =/= Worlds

 

[Mizuki67]

Valid. Tho I think by Dimensions he strictly meant what the questioner was referring to, aka a Universe, not the in-verse term we call "Dimensions".

I still think Dimensions and Worlds are different tbh, for a variety of reasons. One such as this:

But in a discussion author said anytime he says world just know he talking about a universe

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

But in a discussion author said anytime he says world just know he talking about a universe

That's true, yes, since his writing style, at the very least, does not change between LN and WN.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Read around 70 pages in the WN reviews on the author's syosetu page and found a lot of useful stuff. About parallel universes, dimensions, world-lines, etc.

For reference, I read the reviews from around page 430 to 500.
Most of them are only usable in WN, though, but regardless.

I'll post them all at once after I finish reading around 100 to 200 pages.
But I also really want to just bing read all the ~1500 pages xD

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hello, nice to meet you all!
I hope I can be of at least some help to everyone here.

Wsp mate, welcome to the hood

 

[Violatas]

But I also really want to just bing read all the ~1500 pages xD

Mad man

 

[Lycoris4812]

Mad man

It's not too bad, you can do around 600 pages in an hour or an hour and a half.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It's not too bad, you can do around 600 pages in an hour or an hour and a half.

If you're only finding mentions of certain words, yes
But I'm reading and translating (via chat gpt) every single review fuse gave a reply to lol

 

[Lycoris4812]

If you're only finding mentions of certain words, yes
But I'm reading and translating (via chat gpt) every single review fuse gave a reply to lol

The way my computer works is that I can get Google Translate to translate the whole page, so I just quick search for fuse, read what he said, then move on.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Oh, I just scrolled down till I saw yellow and then moved onto the next page or just look at the date from an image of Fuse responses and see if it is before or after the page that I am on then continuing till I got there. Ngl, both of your ways are more efficient lol.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Discovered this:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/完全_(キリスト教)

 

[Lycoris4812]

Discovered this:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/完全_(キリスト教)

Was that used for god?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Was that used for god?

Yeah, It seems like the All In One fits the bill since it is described a perfect/complete and flawless and Veldanava breaking away from that became imperfect and allowed him to make mistakes which being apart of All in one wouldn't have been possible.

（そもそも、ヴェルダナーヴァ様は全知全能ではあらせられぬ。自らが間違う事もあると仰せだったし、彼の御方の被造物である我らが間違うのも、これは仕方のない事なのだろう……）

(To begin with, Lord Veldanava is not omniscient and omnipotent. He himself declared that he could also be mistaken, and for us, who are His creations, to make mistakes as well — this must be something unavoidable…)

「ああ。このままの成長速度で発展した場合、数千年足らずで世界は破滅してしまうだろう。人間って、間違いを犯す生き物だからね。正しき行いが正義ではなく、悪しき行いが世界を救う事もある。そんな不完全な存在だからこそ、愛おしいんだけど……それで世界が滅ぶのは、ボクの本意じゃないのさ」

“Ah. In the case that development proceeds at this growth speed as it is, in less than several thousand years the world will end up ruined. Humans, you see, are creatures that commit mistakes. Correct actions are not justice, and there are also times when evil actions save the world. Precisely because they are such imperfect existences, they are lovable, but… for the world to perish because of that is not my true intention.”

「アイツはな、俺の妹のルシアと結ばれたんだ。結婚って言うんだが、ルシアがヴェルダナーヴァの子を身(み)篭(ごも)った事で、本物の家族になったのさ」
「子、だと？ 〝竜種〟がか!?」
それは確かに、驚くべき話だった。
だが、〝全なる一〟から不完全さを求めるような酔狂な存在(ヴェルダナーヴァ)なら、それもまた有り得る話だとギィは納得する。
「まあ、そういう事もあるだろうさ」

“That guy… he got together with my sister Lucia. They married, and when Lucia became pregnant with Veldanava’s child, they became a true family.”
“A child?! A dragonkin?!”
It was indeed shocking.
But Guy accepted it. If Veldanava, a whimsical being who sought imperfection despite his “absolute” nature, existed, even this was plausible.
“Well, these things happen,” Guy muttered.
“Yeah. If that were all, I’d just congratulate them. But… the real problem starts here.”
Rudra’s following revelation was beyond mere shock—it was critical. Guy shot to his feet, demanding, “Are you serious?!”
Apparently, Veldanava had now become nearly indistinguishable from a human.
He’d laughingly told Rudra that he was now bound by “mortality,” a concept previously foreign to him.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

And I think I have just discovered what the promised land is (or what might be), in this page it is almost verbatim but instead of one promised land there is multiple and it is called the pure lands. It even has the same kanji for liberation.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/霊魂#:~:text=日本での仏教[,8％[19] 。
(it is under Buddhism in japan)

"Kondou’s “soul” was inherited by Carrera through the pistol—though its spiritual core was not included.
Carrera knew this.
The core of a human who had attained enlightenment and become sinless could never be restrained, even if their soul were bound.
Free of all constraints, such beings are liberated from the cycle of reincarnation and journey to the promised realm.
In other words—enlightenment."

そして近藤の〝魂〟も、拳銃を通してカレラに受け継がれる。ただし、その心核(ココロ)は含まれていなかった。
カレラは知っていた。
悟りを開き罪なき者へと至った人間の心核(ココロ)は、魂を縛ったとしても自由には出来ない事を。
如何なる制約も受けずに輪廻の輪から解き放たれて、約束の場所へと旅立つのだ。
即ち、解脱。

 

[Mizuki67]

Yeah, It seems like the All In One fits the bill since it is described a perfect/complete and flawless and Veldanava breaking away from that became imperfect and allowed him to make mistakes which being apart of All in one wouldn't have been possible.

Yeah, Veldanava was too perfect and perfection can not grow so I think he birthed the concept of infinity so people dont actually hit a ceiling in growth

 

[Ultimuru]

And I think I have just discovered what the promised land is (or what might be), in this page it is almost verbatim but instead of one promised land there is multiple and it is called the pure lands. It even has the same kanji for liberation.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/霊魂#:~:text=日本での仏教[,8％[19] 。
(it is under Buddhism in japan)

How many statements about promised land we have anyway? I have a feeling that even Fuse forgot about this concept.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

How many statements about promised land we have anyway? I have a feeling that even Fuse forgot about this concept.

iirc; the epilogue to volume 11, volume 15 with kondo and volume 19 when granbell talks about remembering being unable to entrust hinata with his will in the promised land are the only times it is mentioned.

Volume 23 gives me hope, since Lucia was mentioned last volume who some people theorise that she and veldanava are in the promised land.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

And I think I have just discovered what the promised land is (or what might be), in this page it is almost verbatim but instead of one promised land there is multiple and it is called the pure lands. It even has the same kanji for liberation.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/霊魂#:~:text=日本での仏教[,8％[19] 。
(it is under Buddhism in japan)

I really doubt this one. Liberation and Nirvana-after-death can be two different things. Plus the whole description about how Michael returned to the All-in-one and how everything eventually returns to it, even Infinity, seems to refer to the more literal definition of Nirvana.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

iirc; the epilogue to volume 11, volume 15 with kondo and volume 19 when granbell talks about remembering being unable to entrust hinata with his will in the promised land are the only times it is mentioned.

Those were fakes, so I don't think we can trust their statement of "remembering", at least, considering "how would they remember something if they aren't the actual people to begin with".

It's more plausible to say the Masayuki's skill implanting fake memories or knowledge (we've seen Rimuru do that in Volume 4)

Though I suppose no theory is absolute right now until the author gives us a solid answer. That's what makes it fun making theories.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Finished reading around 600 pages; 200 to 600. There was some interesting stuff, some references to other verses and similar stuff, but nothing much related to cosmology.

It was still interesting tho v:

 

[Napoleonic01]

Finished reading around 600 pages; 200 to 600. There was some interesting stuff, some references to other verses and similar stuff, but nothing much related to cosmology.

It was still interesting tho v:

Like what? Let me guess one piece? akame ga kill

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Found legit immeasurable speed. It's a conclusion drawn from several of the author's posts.

And by immeasurable speed, I mean legit attacking from the past to the future and vice versa, lol

Also some stuff about retroactive destruction of the world.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Like what? Let me guess one piece? akame ga kill

None of those, at least

But there are references of Fate (Nasuverse), Dragon Ball, Wizard's Brain, and some more, all of which Fuse said are his favorite works.
Especially the first one, where it seems Fate also referenced Tensura in some way on an April's Fool joke (this is old stuff, like in the 2015s, nothing recent).

 

[Mizuki67]

iirc; the epilogue to volume 11, volume 15 with kondo and volume 19 when granbell talks about remembering being unable to entrust hinata with his will in the promised land are the only times it is mentioned.

Volume 23 gives me hope, since Lucia was mentioned last volume who some people theorise that she and veldanava are in the promised land.

A true dragon soul cant ascend that's not possible

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Finished reading around 600 pages; 200 to 600. There was some interesting stuff, some references to other verses and similar stuff, but nothing much related to cosmology.

It was still interesting tho v:

bro’s more dedicated than me who read cringy a$$ fanfics more than 10 hours a day….

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

A true dragon soul cant ascend that's not possible

Yeah since they were avatars of their true self in the first place

 

[Violatas]

None of those, at least

But there are references of Fate (Nasuverse)

Link? That makes soooo much sense just going off some convos I've had recently

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Link? That makes soooo much sense just going off some convos I've had recently

I'm not really saving links to every msg, so I forgot where it exactly was, but I am saving SS of the interesting messages yes.

The Nasuverse ones are around the April 2015 date mark. So you can start reading the pages that have messages of that month and year, and you'll find it soon.

転生したらスライムだった件

R15 残酷な描写あり 異世界転生 スライム チート

novelcom.syosetu.com

 

[LadyVeldanava]

Good morning everyone

 

[Napoleonic01]

Good morning everyone

Morning to you

 

[ZERGESS]

Valid. Tho I think by Dimensions he strictly meant what the questioner was referring to, aka a Universe, not the in-verse term we call "Dimensions".

I still think Dimensions and Worlds are different tbh, for a variety of reasons. One such as this:

Crazy how tensura haters won in that argument with all the points you've said regarding this thing

 

[ZillionZeutron]

Crazy how tensura haters won in that argument with all the points you've said regarding this thing

“Haters”? Which side made a spite thread to remove abilities when the only thread made by the “Haters” (at that point in time) was the removable of NEP for veldanava and Rimuru’s HGR (which was warranted because of the flawed argument) again?

Seriously, you people love to play the victim, dont you?

 

[AnviIndo28]

Seriously, you people love to play the victim, dont you?

question, who bringing this matter ? they clearly talking about the world and dimension, yet you shot it with ability ? wtf ?.

 

[ZillionZeutron]

question, who bringing this matter ? they clearly talking about the world and dimension, yet you shot it with ability ? wtf ?.

Read. I’m addressing his/her/idk blatant lies about the opposition being merely just “haters” lol (your side did worse btw) . Reading comprehension is rare these days huh?

Although I didn’t want to comment on this considering it’s absolutely pointless, I cannot stand hypocrisy and blatant lies.

 

[AnviIndo28]

Reading comprehension is rare these days huh?

they are NOT clearly talking about that side. do you think "haters" always goes into that direction ? if yes, than that's your problem.

 

[ZillionZeutron]

they are NOT clearly talking about that side. do you think "haters" always goes into that direction ? if yes, than that's your problem.

Tell me who you think made the threads debunking worlds in tensura right quick. Do you seriously think I’m dense? (stronger words will probably get me a warning)

 

[Lycoris4812]

Everybody hates, end of story.