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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Astral_Trinity439 said:
@AstraphelNoctis4 @AlexSamDen I'll be posting a tensura (staff) thread in around 1 to 2 days, or at worst within this week. Just telling in advance in case any of you also has plans. If yes, then inform me before then.

It is detailed, obviously, and I'd even say it's as detailed as my WN Rimuru sandbox. So far half is finished and it's 10k words or around that, scans include(using quotes). Only deals with one specific topic, has nothing to do with tier 1 in general nor 2-A timelines.
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Fortunately, I have no plans, so cook as much as you want.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
@AstraphelNoctis4 @AlexSamDen I'll be posting a tensura (staff) thread in around 1 to 2 days, or at worst within this week. Just telling in advance in case any of you also has plans. If yes, then inform me before then.

It is detailed, obviously, and I'd even say it's as detailed as my WN Rimuru sandbox. So far half is finished and it's 10k words or around that, scans include(using quotes). Only deals with one specific topic, has nothing to do with tier 1 in general nor 2-A timelines.
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10k words for what?????
If its not tier then speed?
 
Mizuki67 said:
10k words for what?????
If its not tier then speed?
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It is tier, yes, just not 2A nor tier 1.
I'm trying to create a REALLY detailed thread so I can also propose a rule later to make sure there's no tensura downgrade thread based on "worlds and/or dimensions are not universal in size" or nonsense like that.

The amount of words just shows how narratively inconsistent that nonsense of a claim is xD.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Aren't star system and solar system have different kanji?
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This—星系 legit means a star and its orbiting planets what you on about?
Astral_Trinity439 said:
It is tier, yes, just not 2A nor tier 1.
I'm trying to create a REALLY detailed thread so I can also propose a rule later to make sure there's no tensura downgrade thread based on "worlds and/or dimensions are not universal in size" or nonsense like that.

The amount of words just shows how narratively inconsistent that nonsense of a claim is xD.
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Have the downgrade been terminated? We need to take chill pills on trying to get to tier 2 for now, if its a discussion rule then am down too, however, not commanding or anything but I'm just saying, until that downgrade thread passes and until we can resolve some issues together as a community we shouldn't necessarily huggle on the tier 2 idea
Because they are lots of things we are yet to agree on as a group
CodeCCLL said:
Unless specified, no. And given the sun's brightness, I have no idea what changes would need to be made for someone looking at the sun from Earth to be able to tell that the sun's shape has changed.
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Hmmmm
@PrimeHydra64 you got raws for that statement carrera made, need to ask Re about it, it might even say "significant change" either ways the energy carrera spoke on was just his wings, we haven't even gone on the aspect of his actual power
Plus there's a measuring of the labyrinth we are yet to uncover, maybe we could get a 3-C for true dragon tiers but eh
I'll give you a rough calc that I have been working on with my friend on this
In astrophysics a star is nearly spherical because gravity dominates. To recognizably change its shape, you need forces/energy that compete with gravity. Reasonable interpretations. To spin-flatten a Sun-like star to visibly non-spherical, you’re looking at ~10¹⁹ megatons ≈ J.
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  • Visible flattening (~10% centrifugal support): E∼1×1039 J\boxed{E \sim 1\times10^{39}\ \text{J}}E∼1×1039 J
  • 1% global bulge: E∼2×1039 J\boxed{E \sim 2\times10^{39}\ \text{J}}E∼2×1039 J
  • Extreme reshaping: E∼1040–1041 J\boxed{E \sim 10^{40}\text{–}10^{41}\ \text{J}}E∼1040–1041 J
2×1039 J2 \times 10^{39}\, \text{J}2×1039J is enough to destroy Jupiter outright.
 
Mizuki67 said:
This—星系 legit means a star and its orbiting planets what you on about?

Have the downgrade been terminated? We need to take chill pills on trying to get to tier 2 for now, if its a discussion rule then am down too, however, not commanding or anything but I'm just saying, until that downgrade thread passes and until we can resolve some issues together as a community we shouldn't necessarily huggle on the tier 2 idea
Because they are lots of things we are yet to agree on as a group

Hmmmm
@PrimeHydra64 you got raws for that statement carrera made, need to ask Re about it, it might even say "significant change" either ways the energy carrera spoke on was just his wings, we haven't even gone on the aspect of his actual power
Plus there's a measuring of the labyrinth we are yet to uncover, maybe we could get a 3-C for true dragon tiers but eh
I'll give you a rough calc that I have been working on with my friend on this


  • Visible flattening (~10% centrifugal support): E∼1×1039 J\boxed{E \sim 1\times10^{39}\ \text{J}}E∼1×1039 J
  • 1% global bulge: E∼2×1039 J\boxed{E \sim 2\times10^{39}\ \text{J}}E∼2×1039 J
  • Extreme reshaping: E∼1040–1041 J\boxed{E \sim 10^{40}\text{–}10^{41}\ \text{J}}E∼1040–1041 J
2×1039 J2 \times 10^{39}\, \text{J}2×1039J is enough to destroy Jupiter outright.
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その額には、一対の触覚が揺れていた。背と腰から生えた二対の翅(はね)が赤く輝き、三対の腕は油断なく身構えられている。
(あの翅もヤバそうだ。恐ろしく密度が高いけど、エネルギーを圧縮させているせいかな？ あれを解放すると、それだけで星の形状が変化しそうだよ……)
恐らくは、カレラが操る極大魔法を上回る破壊力となるだろう。それほどまでに、その二対の翅からは空恐ろしいまでのエネルギーが感じ取れたのだ。
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Mizuki67 said:
Have the downgrade been terminated? We need to take chill pills on trying to get to tier 2 for now, if its a discussion rule then am down too, however, not commanding or anything but I'm just saying, until that downgrade thread passes and until we can resolve some issues together as a community we shouldn't necessarily huggle on the tier 2 idea
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Unless I'm recalling it wrongly, that itself has to do with 2-A timelines, mostly, which is not a problem since mine has nothing to do with Chloe's time travel.

There might be some overlapping things, but those things overlap in all upgrade e downgrade threads cuz they're fundamentally the basis of countless arguments.

And seeing the current stage of that downgrade thread, it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in that thread.

And the size of my thread and the amount of arguments sums up and also dwarfs all of the "misleading" downgrade threads combined, plus the staff thread, in terms of length and arguments. It's basically a sum-it-all with all arguments brought so far countered one by one, every single line claimed in the OP of those downgrade threads.
 
Nothing planned for now, just came back from travelling with which I've been busy for the last 2.5 months. My only concern atm is finally getting verse-knowing staff to conclude my thread already. Just remembered I haven't called DDM
Astral_Trinity439 said:
@AstraphelNoctis4 @AlexSamDen I'll be posting a tensura (staff) thread in around 1 to 2 days, or at worst within this week. Just telling in advance in case any of you also has plans. If yes, then inform me before then.

It is detailed, obviously, and I'd even say it's as detailed as my WN Rimuru sandbox. So far half is finished and it's 10k words or around that, scans include(using quotes). Only deals with one specific topic, has nothing to do with tier 1 in general nor 2-A timelines.
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Astral_Trinity439 said:
Unless I'm recalling it wrongly, that itself has to do with 2-A timelines, mostly, which is not a problem since mine has nothing to do with Chloe's time travel.

There might be some overlapping things, but those things overlap in all upgrade e downgrade threads cuz they're fundamentally the basis of countless arguments.

And seeing the current stage of that downgrade thread, it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in that thread.

And the size of my thread and the amount of arguments sums up and also dwarfs all of the "misleading" downgrade threads combined, plus the staff thread, in terms of length and arguments. It's basically a sum-it-all with all arguments brought so far countered one by one, every single line claimed in the OP of those downgrade threads.
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This makes sense, apparently that guy is also on tiktok I claimed that oh "he might be been wrong and tensura is a multiverse" what's funny is that his arguments made sense to me, but there's countless counter arguments. Issue is our author has an issue with scale breaking, if he was consistent in cosmology we wouldn't be having these issues and please in your thread point this out that narrative inconsistency could be pardon if only done few times, just like plot induced stupidity
 
Peak
Mizuki67 said:
This makes sense, apparently that guy is also on tiktok I claimed that oh "he might be been wrong and tensura is a multiverse" what's funny is that his arguments made sense to me, but there's countless counter arguments. Issue is our author has an issue with scale breaking, if he was consistent in cosmology we wouldn't be having these issues and please in your thread point this out that narrative inconsistency could be pardon if only done few times, just like plot induced stupidity
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Well, Fuze is the type to leave the most to the reader's imagination. Not ideal for powerscaling, but that's also what means it open to many interpretations and theories.
 
Mizuki67 said:
give you a rough
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This doesn't address the issue I mentioned.

@PrimeHydra64
んだ、今回だって同じさ! やれ、ミリム!!」

「うむ! お前の言う通りなのだ。では行くぞ、友よ。星々の瞬きを、その目に焼きつけよ一竜星拡散爆ドラゴ・バスター

―ッ!!」
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Also, it seems like they're only talking about stars here, not stars in the galaxy, so I would say Slimereader's translation is wrong, OTL's is correct. Also, the part about "May the shining of the stars burn into your eyes!" seems like Milim's fancy words.
 
Digital_Franz said:
Actually, for stars, you take their GBE separately and add them up, whereas for creating such a pocket dimension, there is a greater amount of energy released
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What I was talking about was why the number of stars mentioned in the calculation was 2500 instead of 9000.
Digital_Franz said:
This blog can probably help you see the difference
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There is already no need to you use method 1 in this calculation.
 
CodeCCLL said:
What I was talking about was why the number of stars mentioned in the calculation was 2500 instead of 9000.
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Oh I see. About that I have this:
On a clear, dark night, away from city lights, a person with good eyesight can see approximately 2,000 to 3,000 stars with the naked eye. However, the total number of stars visible from Earth, if you could see the entire sky at once, is around 9,000.
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CodeCCLL said:
There is already no need to you use method 1 in this calculation.
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Yeah.
 
Ultimuru said:
"Even if she knew the timeline"?
Evidence for existence of multiple timelines?
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Considering Velgrynd travelled to other timelines of the same worlds and the whole time synchronization thing, Timelines/Parallel Universes themselves existing is completely true.

The point that's controversial, however, is whether the MWI theory is true or not even though it's clear that it's true
 
Violatas said:
You can just mention Clayman Revenge
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True that, too. The whole fact that Clayman's Revenge even exists proves that separate Timelines exist. Plus to begin with, two same souls cannot overlap on the same timeline (Space-Time) as a whole simultaneously.

So the whole thing about Chloe going to the past of the same timeline where she already exists in is nonsense. Even if it's the spiritual part, that still contains her Soul, as well as Hinata's (proof is that Hinata's Soul disappeared in V11 when she and Chronoa went to the past, and another proof that spiritual body is the container of the astral body which in turn contains the Soul). Yet the past Chloe that defeated Veldora each time was also both Hinata and Chronoa....

Otherwise Velgrynd would be able to go to the timeline she already existed in via only going through her spiritual body (she's an SLF) yet she couldn't even make the jump. Her powers simply didn't allow her to.

So the only true conclusion here is that she wasn't going to the same timeline. Hinata's own theory even got denied (though for some reason she didn't listen to the 'thoughts' of the person denied it apparently).
 
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Mizuki67 said:
一言
たまに暇な日に好きな場面読み返す時色々疑問があるんですけど、この世界ってリムルたちが住んでる星の事を言っているのかその次元に存在する全惑星含めた宇宙の事言ってるのかどっちなんでしょうかね？私気になります(・ω・)
投稿者： QPhage
2015年 03月31日 13時19分
設定
　次元の事を意味して言っています。
　でもなんとなく世界と言わせてます。
伏瀬
2015年 04月06日 19時18分\
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Where is this from again?
 
Finding a lot of good stuff.
[一言]
この世界最強って、覚醒魔王上位クラスなんだなぁ（＿’

でもリムルとか、あのランクほどはないらしい（。。
投稿者： るーじ
2015年 05月12日 23時27分
管理
　リムルさんは、どの世界に行っても……。
　いや、異次元世界は広いですね！
伏瀬
2015年 05月12日 23時43分
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[One word]
The strongest in this world is the upper class of awakened demons, isn't it? (＿'

But Rimuru and others aren't quite at that rank, apparently (..
Posted by: Rūji
May 12, 2015, 11:27 p.m.
Management
Rimuru-san, no matter which world he goes to...
No, the alternate dimensions are vast!
Fuse
May 12, 2015, 11:43 p.m
-DeepL
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Lycoris4812 said:
Finding a lot of good stuff.
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A better translation:
[One word]
The strongest in this world is in the upper-class awakened Demon Lord tier (´＿｀。

But Rimuru and such don’t seem to be quite at that rank (。.

Poster: Ru-ji
May 12, 2015, 23:27

Admin
Rimuru-san, no matter which world he goes to……
No, the other-dimensional worlds are vast!

Fuse
May 12, 2015, 23:43
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