DMC Hax Revival - part 3

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Demons

Incredibly, some of these aren't in the demon physiology despite being some of the most obvious ones so far.

Possession

Possession: Demonic power and thus demons can possess humans or inanimate objects to act in their stead.

Acausality

According to the DMC2, the Phantom we fight in that game is not another spider of that species. Specifically, it says, that the Phantom is from the Past, and is in fact the same one we killed on Mallet Island. Dante then kills him. The consequences of this are quite simple. Due to being killed in the future and being removed from the past, he should not have been able to exist in DMC1 (and if you propose he was sent back, it still wouldn't make much sense because he would've recognized Dante as a Son of Sparda a lot sooner)-Either way, history has been altered. But there is no notable changes to Dante's timeline-Dante is unaffected to these alterations to the past.

Acausality (Type 1): Demons are unaffected by changes in the past and future, as show with the Demon World bringing back Phantom from the past to the present while his present version was not affected by the time paradoxes happening in DMC2 events.

Sealing and/or Forcefield creation

The Sin/Death family of demons and others (mostly marionettes) can create barriers to prevent their victims from leaving the area.

Sealing and/or Forcefield Creation: Lesser Demons are able to create seals and magical boundaries to bind their victims in a place or area.


Unknown

Statistics amplification or Berserker Mode...? Idk, help?
Not an ability, just behavior.

?: A Demon is 10 times more dangerous when he is in the brink of death, since he will seek destruction above anything else and will even explode himself to take his enemy down with him

Dante

Possession negation

Not sure how to write this or explain it but basically Helena Hudson got possessed in the anime and Dante just took the demon out, she was pretty much fine after it all was over.

Possession Negation: Dante can extract the demons from people.

Purification (Types 1 & 2): Dante can extract demons from people.

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That's pretty much all for today. Thank you for your time people.

Agree (4): @Theglassman12 (agrees with everything, neutral on acausality), @LephyrTheRevanchist (agrees with everything), @Elizhaa (same as Lephyr), @Dalesean027

Disagree ():

Neutral ():

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

As a side note, the original anime is pretty damn good. People only hated on it because of the low budget and the lack of action scenes when the whole anime is about Dante's day to day and how he copes with his life.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

As a side note, the original anime is pretty damn good. People only hated on it because of the low budget and the lack of action scenes when the whole anime is about Dante's day to day and how he copes with his life.

Netflix DMC >>>

 

[Mister6ame6]

There is more abilities like fusion neg, attack reflextion neg, resistance neg, etc... that should be discuseed in the future for the Spardas and demons, but that's is a story for another day

Otherwise looks good agree

 

[Mister6ame6]

Also about the Blitz one is explosion and Statistic amplification i think

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Possession looks solid as something to add as a general demon physiology trait, if not usually a go-to for every single fodder type in a fight. I'm surprised that wasn't on there already.

"Phantom has been granted yet another chance by the forces of darkness and time paradox[.]" On acausality, your own screenshots indicate that Phantom's assets being recycled in DMC2 is a result of Argosax messing around with space-time by that point in the game, not Phantom just deciding to not be dead anymore. That said, the guide screenshot saying this is "time paradox" plucking him from the past in which Dante killed him and not just Argosax duplicating or resuscitating Phantom from the dead may qualify as evidence for type-1 acausality for Dante for having something from his past messed with, depending on wiki standard procedure for indirect timeline meddling like that (as opposed to a more concrete instance of Dante himself being messed with directly by time travel). Would align with his dealing with various reality warpers in general. There's probably something from the DMC2 novel to collaborate.

Sealing, if that's the best term for essentially a neat diagetic explanation for gating the areas around combat-encounters, looks solid, too, as far as the games go. By the way, I can tell at a glance that these are from official game guides, but it would be nice to have bibliography (title & page number) on these sources.

"Ten times more dangerous" is a figure of speech, not a literal multiplier in this case. Berserker mode and/or self-destruction/explosion sounds fine, though. Wait, is this talking about Blitz? I forget if their stats do get amped in-game like that. I do feel as if stat amp is a thing for some enemies, but it's been too long so inconclusive until I or someone else has more sources on hand.

Possession negation is unusual but fine, yeah. Another example of Dante being able to attack demons to their souls and whatnot.

TLDR: Ok with everything sans the type-1 acausality for demons in general, which still might apply to Dante and some close extensions. And maybe no to stat amp via that one DMC4 novel screenshot in the OP, but likely yes via some evidence not present yet.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Sources in order of appearance:

Possession:
Devil May Cry 4 Deadly Fortune: State 7: Page 182
Devil May Cry The Animated Series: Mission 06 - Rock Queen
Devil May Cry Enemy Files: Marionette
Devil May Cry 3 Dante's Awakening Official Strategy Guide (Bradygames) page 20 (if digital)
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Acausality
Devil May Cry 2 Mission 14
Devil May Cry 2 Bradygames Official Strategy Guide page 74
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Sealing - Forcefield



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Unknown ability
Devil May Cry 4 Deadly Fortune: Stage 13: Page 74
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Possession Negation
Devil May Cry The Animated Series: Mission 06 - Rock Queen

 

[Mister6ame6]

The Sealing - Forcefield Creation

DEVIL MAY CRY - Sony PlayStation® 2 DVD - Japanese Manual - Page 22

 

[Vietthai96]

?: A Demon is 10 times more dangerous when he is in the brink of death, since he will seek destruction above anything else and will even explode himself to take his enemy down with him

Reactive Power Level, which is now a part of Accelerated Development.

And the explode himself part is Self-Destruction

Possession Negation: Dante can extract the demons from people.

Purification Types 1 & 2, iirc Demon possesses at spiritual level??

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Reactive Power Level, which is now a part of Accelerated Development.

And the explode himself part is Self-Destruction

I mean, they don't become 10x stronger, just 10x more dangerous as they will forgo survival to kill and destroy everything they can before they go down.

The self-destruction part is specific for the blitz (the demon dante kills there), not applicable to all demons.

Purification Types 1 & 2, iirc Demon possesses at spiritual level??

Hey, that actually works lol thanks

Demons do it at all levels (mental, spiritual and physical), in this case it was both spiritual and physical

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean, they don't become 10x stronger, just 10x more dangerous as they will forgo survival to kill and destroy everything they can before they go down.

Well, then it couldn't fit in any abilities, probably just write that demon goes x10 more dangerous when cornered or something

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I mean, they don't become 10x stronger, just 10x more dangerous as they will forgo survival to kill and destroy everything they can before they go down.

Sounds like rage boost or smth

 

[Random-Helper323]

"Phantom has been granted yet another chance by the forces of darkness and time paradox[.]" On acausality, your own screenshots indicate that Phantom's assets being recycled in DMC2 is a result of Argosax messing around with space-time by that point in the game, not Phantom just deciding to not be dead anymore. That said, the guide screenshot saying this is "time paradox" plucking him from the past in which Dante killed him and not just Argosax duplicating or resuscitating Phantom from the dead may qualify as evidence for type-1 acausality for Dante for having something from his past messed with, depending on wiki standard procedure for indirect timeline meddling like that (as opposed to a more concrete instance of Dante himself being messed with directly by time travel). Would align with his dealing with various reality warpers in general. There's probably something from the DMC2 novel to collaborate.

TLDR: Ok with everything sans the type-1 acausality for demons in general, which still might apply to Dante and some close extensions. And maybe no to stat amp via that one DMC4 novel screenshot in the OP, but likely yes via some evidence not present yet.

Phantom as well. He was brought to a time when he'd already died, died again, and yet had no memory of Dante in DMC1 and was still killed on Mallet Island. Somehow being killed due to a time paradox changed nothing about Phantom's or Dante's past or present.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

acausality type 1 will scale to demons in general, not just dante or phantom

 

[Random-Helper323]

acausality type 1 will scale to demons in general, not just dante or phantom

I was just clarifying that the event clearly impacts Phantom as well, and is clearly a time paradox.

Why would it scale to all demons though? Obviously anything above Phantom would scale, but why lesser demons?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I was just clarifying that the event clearly impacts Phantom as well, and is clearly a time paradox.

Why would it scale to all demons though? Obviously anything above Phantom would scale, but why lesser demons?

Basic Demon Physiology. Phantom ain't something special whatsoever. Additionally, we know Demons are known to ignore laws of both worlds simultaneously and stuff.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Basic Demon Physiology. Phantom ain't something special whatsoever. Additionally, we know Demons are known to ignore laws of both worlds simultaneously and stuff.

Makes sense. I'm not arguing, just asking.

 

[Theglassman12]

Not really seeing that as stat amping for them being "10 times more dangerous" when the context is them throwing their lives away for the sake of killing their target. purification for the possession removal is fine. Neutral on the acausality stuff for every demon, everything else looks fine.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Not really seeing that as stat amping for them being "10 times more dangerous" when the context is them throwing their lives away for the sake of killing their target.

You didn't read my other posts >:v

yeah, got any suggestions to what that may be or qualify as?

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000 @Dereck03 @Maverick_Zero_X @Just_a_Random_Butler @GrathOfLux @Abstractions

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Your input here would be appreciated.

 

[Theglassman12]

That just sounds like the demons have little to no care for their own lives, not really something that would classify as an ability, maybe a mindset more than others given the phantoms and blitz do similar things and attempt a suicide kill in the games they're in.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

ehhh it will work when the new page is done

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

To recap for those showing up after the mass ping, everything here is easily agreeable with the possible exceptions of demons generally having statistics amplification & type-1 acausality (which I find plausibly applying to top tiers due to reasons below).

Though I feel as if there could be some more solid examples of the former that I'm forgetting. And while I don't think Argosax plucking the originally dead Phantom out from the past to fight Dante in a later game is enough in itself to say all demons including fodder are type-1 acausal, that feat in itself may be enough to give it to Argosax & Dante (and perhaps those who scale via physiology such as Dante's twin brother Vergil etc). And beyond that feat, I recall the DMC3 ingame codexes (and/or the strategy guide) talking about the Demon World having screwy spacetime, plus there's the DMC2 novel with all its ludicrous reality warping resisted by Dante, so this wouldn't be without precedent. I don't have access to my external hard drives atm but some of these other guys can probably dig up the exact sources if need be.

Again, this is just type-1 acausality (resisting having one's past scrambled with) being argued for here, so nothing too crazy; just trying to be thorough now so there's no need to contest it again later.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

That just sounds like the demons have little to no care for their own lives, not really something that would classify as an ability, maybe a mindset more than others given the phantoms and blitz do similar things and attempt a suicide kill in the games they're in.

Agreed with this

The rest of OP is fine with me tho

 

[PlasticChairMan]

Purification Types 1 & 2, iirc Demon possesses at spiritual level??

It should also be Mental since Demonic Energy is mind manip

 

[Mister6ame6]

Just to support the Acausality stuff

In PoC Dante defeat Nevan despite already defeating in the past and been transformed in Devil Arm thanks to Pluto mexing with the space-time fabric

Demons are overal imune to time paradox! This is not something exclusive to Phantom!

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just to support the Acausality stuff

In PoC Dante defeat Nevan despite already defeating in the past and been transformed in Devil Arm thanks to Pluto mexing with the space-time fabric

That's not true...? We have 0 idea of how Nevan came back and she didn't die, she became a devil arm.

 

[Mister6ame6]

That's not true...? We have 0 idea of how Nevan came back and she didn't die, she became a devil arm.

I thougth PoC explained she came back no?

Nevan that Dante fought became a Devil Arm for him, but this Nevan dindt became one despite happening in the past, her past fate did not affect her present self

Or i'm wrong here?

 

[Vietthai96]

Probably just some vague, unexplained shit from PoC, iirc we even fight Beowulf, Pluto also suppose to be dead iirc but he appear in the game or something

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Facepalms

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Probably just some vague, unexplained shit from PoC, iirc we even fight Beowulf, Pluto also suppose to be dead iirc but he appear in the game or something

Alternate timeline.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I thougth PoC explained she came back no?

Nevan that Dante fought became a Devil Arm for him, but this Nevan dindt became one despite happening in the past, her past fate did not affect her present self

Or i'm wrong here?

No, it's never explained.

Alternate timeline.

shitty excuse doesn't work when we learned what they meant with alternate timeline (hellfilth)

 

[SuperSonicTL]

shitty excuse doesn't work when we learned what they meant with alternate timeline (hellfilth)

What are you yapping now? This is literally an alternate timeline where Pluto is alive?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

You didn't read my other posts >:v

yeah, got any suggestions to what that may be or qualify as?

just a battle tactic

 

[Vietthai96]

Alternate timeline.

Iirc, Dante has Beowulf and Nevan too, so he still fight Beowulf and Nevan?. Also isn't the game explicitly said the story is set after the event of DMC3???

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Iirc, Dante has Beowulf and Nevan too, so he still fight Beowulf and Nevan?. Also isn't the game explicitly said the story is set after the event of DMC3???

It isn't the same beowulf.

Yeah, after DMC3. It's canon but some stuff happens in other timelines

 

[Vietthai96]

isn't the same beowulf

The part about Beowulf is understandable, cause iirc, Beowulf is a demon tribe so multiple Beowulfs is pretty normal, though i can't say the same to Nevan lol

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The part about Beowulf is understandable, cause iirc, Beowulf is a demon tribe so multiple Beowulfs is pretty normal, though i can't say the same to Nevan lol

Nevan is the same as DMC3, she stopped being a devil arm for unknown reasons and was looking for the Book of Demons.

Honestly it's never explained and the fact that the original team for PoC isn't around anymore makes it obvious they will never explain that so we are left with this little plot hole and CD drama 2 telling us that Nevan is in Enzo's pawn shop so Dante had to defeat her again at some point in PoC's story

 

[Random-Helper323]

Let's stop POC derailing for now, okay?

For the acausality, it should at very least apply to any demon that compares to or surpasses Phantom.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I still don't understand where yall getting those implications.

Doesn't matter tho, staff agrees to the thread but since DMC is a popular verse we gotta wait for another one