Sung jinwoo tier upgrade

[Rogue_Forge]

During the final battle, one Itarim created an entire Universe to trap Suho inside while adding a law that he is powerless with no mana in it, he managed to override that law and fight him back, their battle destroyed the entire Universe that he created on the spot and in chapter 373 of the novel, during their final clash before it was destroyed, it is said "space time screamed"

Isn't that obvious the Universe they created contain space time ?

Scans?

 

[Dooyo]

Scans?

Chapter 373 of the Ragnarok novel

https://m.webnovel.com/book/solo-leveling-ragnarok-%5Bfan-tl%5D_32910227108872605/373_89410432292416809

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Ok so here's the space time statements then

And

This would put him at Universal+

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Not low-Multiveral

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Also, What new abilities would Sung Jin-Woo have, cause even if he doesn't gain much I think someone said he gets some

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ok so here's the space time statements then

And

This would put him at Universal+

Not low-Multiveral

ATP, after all this back and forth arguing, i'll take it

 

[Kaydee1648]

In order for something to qualify as a proper space-time continuum in regard to some feat usually one of two following two criteria should be met:

also there’s this;

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

If the monarchs “flew” through these universes, then they can’t be considered universal+ size per the standards

 

[Phoenks]

Bruh within the same chapter it states that the dimensional walls of the universe were breaking and thus the countless "worlds" inside it were colliding. Even mentioning that people from the universe with Earth could see the battle happening from afar.

That completely puts the nail in the coffin for these being separate space-times.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Could you repost these scans, please? I recently read the manga but don't remember this.

The manhwa skipped a scan so I will show all the scans from the original.including novel

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Though, you are still going for 2-B (Countless universes) so I have to ask:

What evidence do you have that the universes mentioned to exist within the "universe" are spatiotemporally separated and also have significant size? Many of them are dungeons with small finite sizes. And like I mentioned before, they were all affected by the same Chalice of Rebirth reversing time.

That reminds me I check something, and the old translation was "numerous", not "countless, meaning a 2C rating instead of an 2B rating.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Bruh within the same chapter it states that the dimensional walls of the universe were breaking and thus the countless "worlds" inside it were colliding. Even mentioning that people from the universe with Earth could see the battle happening from afar.

In a universe so far away it cannot be comprehended. . They literally tore reality apart which was making portals that humans were seeing.

That completely puts the nail in the coffin for these being separate space-times.

No it doesn’t . Seeing another universe through portals is an anti feat now?

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

That reminds me I check something, and the old translation was "numerous", not "countless, meaning a 2C rating instead of an 2B rating.

I never went for 2-B

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

also there’s this;

If the monarchs “flew” through these universes, then they can’t be considered universal+ size per the standards

You didn’t read the literal next few sentences below

 

[Phoenks]

In a universe so far away it cannot be comprehended. . They literally tore reality apart which was making portals that humans were seeing.

No it doesn’t . Seeing another universe through portals is an anti feat now?

Bro... They were putting tears into the actual universe (the only real Low 2-C structure) and thus causing dimensional breaks that allowed the previously spatially separated "universes" to collide and witness one another. It verbatim proves what I've been saying, which is that the "universes" inside the universe are just spatially separated from one another. And can be access via the tunneling through the gap in dimensions.

Btw just putting cracks in space-time isn't enough for Low 2-C IIRC. It would just be hax ability + range. Since they aren't actually destroying an entire space-time. Not sure it counts as significantly affecting either. Though perhaps you could make an argument that they were threatening to reduce it all to nothing again. That would be Low 2-C.

 

[Kaydee1648]

You didn’t read the literal next few sentences below

prove the existence of a higher dimensional space between each “universe”, aswell as the monarchs traveling through them and not just some dimensional wall

The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space serving as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in a four dimensional or even higher dimensional space, occupying different position along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, in order to travel between such universes, the movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimension space if

 

[KaramcaS]

A small effect/cut/destruction etc. in Space-Time only gives space-time manipulation. An effect that covers the entire structure of the universe is required for Low 2-C

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Pretty much agree with @Phoenks. Not only are the so-called "universes" (gates) much smaller than the normal universe, as we see in pretty much every gate, the way they are seemingly comparable with "planets" as the "numerous images of universes and planets", statement seems to indicate that they are also smaller.

That is not to mention how they all seemingly have a single timeline and time axis, meaning that they are not a space-time quanton, so the size would be irrelevant regardless.

But from what I am seeing, the proposal has many weaknesses, and the only supporting evidence is vague statements.

 

[Dooyo]

Bro... They were putting tears into the actual universe (the only real Low 2-C structure) and thus causing dimensional breaks that allowed the previously spatially separated "universes" to collide and witness one another. It verbatim proves what I've been saying, which is that the "universes" inside the universe are just spatially separated from one another. And can be access via the tunneling through the gap in dimensions.

Btw just putting cracks in space-time isn't enough for Low 2-C IIRC. It would just be hax ability + range. Since they aren't actually destroying an entire space-time. Not sure it counts as significantly affecting either. Though perhaps you could make an argument that they were threatening to reduce it all to nothing again. That would be Low 2-C.

Actually it was the Universe created by that Itarim, not the actual Universe where Earth resides, their Universe.

 

[Dooyo]

A small effect/cut/destruction etc. in Space-Time only gives space-time manipulation. An effect that covers the entire structure of the universe is required for Low 2-C

They didn't cause a small effect, cut, etc, they literally destroyed the space time created by that Itarim during their fight until it tear a hole into reality which lead them to their actual Universe.

 

[Vietthai96]

Bro... They were putting tears into the actual universe (the only real Low 2-C structure) and thus causing dimensional breaks that allowed the previously spatially separated "universes" to collide and witness one another. It verbatim proves what I've been saying, which is that the "universes" inside the universe are just spatially separated from one another. And can be access via the tunneling through the gap in dimensions.

Btw just putting cracks in space-time isn't enough for Low 2-C IIRC. It would just be hax ability + range. Since they aren't actually destroying an entire space-time. Not sure it counts as significantly affecting either. Though perhaps you could make an argument that they were threatening to reduce it all to nothing again. That would be Low 2-C.

so, from this, look like at best, there are only a single space-time that encompass everything, not multiple space-times

 

[Dooyo]

Not low-Multiveral

Read until the end, it literally destroyed its space time that he created during their fight, isn't destroying it or creating it low multiversal ? Or it's just Universal+

I am not familiar with the ratings here

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Read until the end, it literally destroyed its space time that he created during their fight, isn't destroying it or creating it low multiversal ? Or it's just Universal+

I am not familiar with the ratings here

Universal+

 

[Dooyo]

About speed feat

We have Beru who flies from the distant Universe/edge to Earth.

It is consistently shown that Beru was at the very edge of the Universe before beginning his journey.

It is also stated that Jin Woo began fighting the Itarim about two years ago, so lowballing this feat I will be using two years as time taken.

Which should comfortably put him at MFTL+ or millions to billions of time the speed of light.

 

[Dooyo]

Universal+

Okay then EOS Jinwoo who casually beat 3 Itarim AT THE SAME TIME where one is already universal+, should put him alone as the top of the verse, possibly or likely low multiversal no at baseline ?

Since he trashed them and their creations as nothing ?

 

[SweetDao]

Okay then EOS Jinwoo who casually beat 3 Itarim AT THE SAME TIME where one is already universal+, should put him alone as the top of the verse, possibly or likely low multiversal no ?

Since he trashed them and their creations as nothing ?

No, that's still uni+ even under the assumption that he one-shot them.

 

[Dooyo]

Bro... They were putting tears into the actual universe (the only real Low 2-C structure) and thus causing dimensional breaks that allowed the previously spatially separated "universes" to collide and witness one another. It verbatim proves what I've been saying, which is that the "universes" inside the universe are just spatially separated from one another. And can be access via the tunneling through the gap in dimensions.

Btw just putting cracks in space-time isn't enough for Low 2-C IIRC. It would just be hax ability + range. Since they aren't actually destroying an entire space-time. Not sure it counts as significantly affecting either. Though perhaps you could make an argument that they were threatening to reduce it all to nothing again. That would be Low 2-C.

Forget him for a moment and listen to my proposal

At the end of the novel, we know one Itarim is universal+ by feat now, and EOS Ragnarok Jinwoo who casually beating 3 Itarims at the same time, where EOS Suho who previously fought that Itarim called his battle as "child play" compared to his Father.

Shouldn't EOS Jinwoo Ragnarok get "likely" low multiversal level as baseline since he could trash multiple universal+ characters alone like nothing ? Of course, he alone benefits from that, no other as he is obviously the strongest of the entire Ragnarok novel.

 

[Dooyo]

No, that's still uni+ even under the assumption that he one-shot them.

Not even "possibly" ?

 

[SweetDao]

Not even "possibly" ?

There is no "possibly", at most you're arguing for "layers into Low 2-C", and even then I feel it would be wrong, but that's it. There is nothing indicating a higher tier.

 

[Phoenks]

Forget him for a moment and listen to my proposal

At the end of the novel, we know one Itarim is universal+ by feat now, and EOS Ragnarok Jinwoo who casually beating 3 Itarims at the same time, where EOS Suho who previously fought that Itarim called his battle as "child play" compared to his Father.

Shouldn't EOS Jinwoo Ragnarok get "likely" low multiversal level as baseline since he could trash multiple universal+ characters alone like nothing ? Of course, he alone benefits from that, no other as he is obviously the strongest of the entire Ragnarok novel.

No. That's not how scaling works here.

For one, we don't apply multipliers to Tier 2 potency and above.

For two, defeating multiple Low 2-C beings simultaneously doesn't even scale you to 3x their power. It just means you are massively stronger than them to some extent. This is the same for if you were to defeat 3 7-A beings at once. We would not give you 3x 7-A power output. It would just be upscaling.

 

[Dooyo]

No. That's not how scaling works here.

For one, we don't apply multipliers to Tier 2 potency and above.

For two, defeating multiple Low 2-C beings simultaneously doesn't even scale you to 3x their power. It just means you are massively stronger than them to some extent. This is the same for if you were to defeat 3 7-A beings at once. We would not give you 3x 7-A power output. It would just be upscaling.

So you would scale him like, at least Universal+, likely far higher

Something like that ?

 

[SweetDao]

By the way, maybe I missed it, but what's the actual feat of the Itarim (if that's the name of the guy) creating a universe-sized realm to seal aura-farmer's son? If someone could bring scan and/or give chapter, that would be cool. Or at least point out the post that discuss this.

 

[Dooyo]

There is no "possibly", at most you're arguing for "layers into Low 2-C", and even then I feel it would be wrong, but that's it. There is nothing indicating a higher tier.

So something like: at least low 2C, likely far higher

Should be enough to you ?

 

[SweetDao]

So something like: at least low 2C, likely far higher

Should be enough to you ?

I don't think "far higher" works here. I'm not even sure if there is anything implying "higher than Low 2-C" in the first place. Only thing I can somewhat agree for sure is Low 2-C. I think just putting Low 2-C and the justification that he could beat people of the same level rather easily is the best way to go

 

[Dooyo]

By the way, maybe I missed it, but what's the actual feat of the Itarim (if that's the name of the guy) creating a universe-sized realm to seal aura-farmer's son? If someone could bring scan and/or give chapter, that would be cool. Or at least point out the post that discuss this.

From chapter 365 to 373 IIRC of the Ragnarok novel.

 

[SweetDao]

From chapter 365 to 373 IIRC of the Ragnarok novel.

Thanks, I'll check them

 

[Dooyo]

I don't think "far higher" works here. I'm not even sure if there is anything implying "higher than Low 2-C" in the first place. Only thing I can somewhat agree for sure is Low 2-C. I think just putting Low 2-C and the justification that he could beat people of the same level rather easily is the best way to go

If he can easily beat multiple people at low 2C tier, isn't likely higher warranted by logic ?

How many profile and pages have this for the exact same logic like NNT, FT, Naruto, and many more

 

[DragoZeroNova]

If he can easily beat multiple people at low 2C tier, isn't likely higher warranted by logic ?

How many profile and pages have this for the exact same logic like NNT, FT, Naruto, and many more

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that warrants At Least Low 2-C as opposed to just Low 2-C. It might be enough for a Possibly Higher, but even that I'm not sure of. If those Low 2-C people got profiles, they would just be Low 2-C and Ragnasung would be At Least Low 2-C.

 

[Dooyo]

Also, What new abilities would Sung Jin-Woo have, cause even if he doesn't gain much I think someone said he gets some

New abilities ? He is stated to be completely immortal and the only true immortal, being the embodiment of death as a concept, his daggers made by Antares can cut dimensions ignoring dura by default, stated to be the Abyss which swallows all, his Darkness nullified attack like dark matter, compressed galaxies throw at him and mind hax.

There is more but it's the only one I remember from memory

 

[Vietthai96]

no, higher than low 2-c is 2-c. oneshot multiple low 2-Cs just give you bigger scaling chain

 

[Dooyo]

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that warrants At Least Low 2-C as opposed to just Low 2-C. It might be enough for a Possibly Higher, but even that I'm not sure of. If those Low 2-C people got profiles, they would just be Low 2-C and Ragnasung would be At Least Low 2-C.

Possibly higher is fair IMO as he is the strongest in that verse by far, not by a bit.