Sung jinwoo tier upgrade

[PHANtomFELdway]

A very short thread. from this thread sung jinwoos profile was accepted. I disagree with alot of things. But for now I will try for a way higher tier.i won’t be using ragnorock on behalf of @Phoenks (for now unless i need it) ( even though i don’t see a reason not to.)



Post in thread 'Sung jinwoo tier upgrade'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/sung-jinwoo-tier-upgrade.182266/post-7230862




(can ignore all the things below and go to the link ABOVE instead)

Since it has way more evidence due to a thread getting accepted (canonicity)
(If you do read this then you would also still need to read my other comments because it has lots of feats and context compared to this)


~~The absolute being created the universe Inside that one universe there are numerous other universes known as dimensions~~

At the very beginning of the world, the absolute being split primordial light and darkness to create the monarchs and rulers. In that process he infused them with power. Giving them MORE than enough power to kill him. (He was just dumb)

Monarchs purpose is to destroy the world & rulers are created to protect it. With it referring to All of existence.

Jin-woo is as powerful or even more powerful than the rulers combined (who killed the creator of the multiverse)

With the power hidden within him being the power to destroy everything the absolute being created.


Only alternative I see if this is rejected is using world of eternal rest.


Which is a world jinwoo created that is INFINITE in size.

Which should give at least high universal levels of power.

if accepted then should get mftl+ speeds due to traveling across multiple dimensions (universes )by going through the dimensional gap/rifts (id argue infinite speed ) I believe it will come down to that with the counter arguments.



Was just informed of some possible ~~wank~~




The statement about numerous universes was when Ashborn was showing jinwoo his memories of the war. This was done in eternal rest. A world where is is virtually omnipotent, where is is able to create,destroy,and change the world.the way Ashborn was showing jinwoo his memories was by actually manifesting them into existence within eternal rest (just like jinwoo creating the world).meaning that eternal rest is infinite size world that can contain numerous universes. So should at least scale to low multi as well.




Conclusion


High 3-A-low 2c

Mftl+ speed


Will wait for counter arguments. (Only thing I can see is lack of feats which is explained in the original series that they are nerfed by possession and farther shown in ragnorock (yes I will be using it as additional evidence if og series isn’t enough)

 

[Dalesean027]

Gonna close this for now, the other crt hasn't concluded and it can't even be applied until tomorrow

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Do we have any form of timeframe for the creation of everything feat? Cause if it took billions of years or something they wouldn't scale completely

I can still see High Uni or even Uni+ Sung Jin-Woo though

Although the dimensional Rifts/Cracks thing explicitly says "and eventually the footage came to a stop" which would imply he himself isn't traveling at all but just watching footage of all the planets he could go too so ima have to disagree on MFTL+ Sung Jin-Woo at least based on that feat

 

[Phoenks]

Disagree with High 3-A to Low 2-C scaling.

It is stated verbatim by the previous Shadow Monarch (The dude who explains all the lore of the series) that nothing in Solo Leveling possesses infinite power. (Anti-feat for High 3-A/Low 2-C. And as a result, even the Absolute Being, who created the universe, was defeated by his creations. It is compared to how humanity can create machines that can potentially harm them. In that sense, the Absolute Being absolutely shouldn't scale to his creation, in the same way humans don't inherently scale to their creations.

The Monarchs/Rulers he created have showcased no feats above island level in the series, yet their power is said to be more than enough to kill the Absolute Being. Thus it is a massive anti-feat for the Absolute Being scaling to his creation.

Additionally, there is no evidence to suggest that the Absolute Being even created the universe in one go. We are never given elaboration on how he created the universe in the first place.

It is also unlikely the "universe" is even Low 2-C/2-C in size, given that the "Chalice of Rebirth," which is capable of reversing time, also reversed the time of things outside of the universe, such as the dimensional gap (a void between dimensions). Meaning that these "universes" are not temporally separated in the first place.

Which is a world jinwoo created that is INFINITE in size.

The World of Death is a pocket dimension ability granted by the power of the Shadow Monarch. He didn't even create it. He was sent into it.

Also, it isn't infinite. "Wide enough to be called infinite" just means its really big.

if accepted then should get mftl+ speeds due to traveling across multiple dimensions (universes )by going through the dimensional gap/rifts (id argue infinite speed ) I believe it will come down to that with the counter arguments.

That was just the original Shadow Monarch showing Jin-Woo the history of the world, going through his memories. That doesn't scale to anyone because it is just a vision.

You also ignore the part where it says they travelled there via portals. "Tunneling a portal from the crack between dimensions to Earth." That isn't speed scaling.

The statement about numerous universes was when Ashborn was showing jinwoo his memories of the war. This was done in eternal rest. A world where is is virtually omnipotent, where is is able to create,destroy,and change the world.the way Ashborn was showing jinwoo his memories was by actually manifesting them into existence within eternal rest (just like jinwoo creating the world).meaning that eternal rest is infinite size world that can contain numerous universes. So should at least scale to low multi as well.

It is just a vision of a memory so these aren't even physical structures being shown to Jin-Woo.

 

[Hayato5652]

Following

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Imma debunk all this.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Disagree with this. Most of the counterarguments against the CRT have already been brought up, and i agree with them.

 

[SweetDao]

Tentatively agree with Phoenks for now.

 

[Rocker1189]

There is really no destructive or creation feat shown that is above 6-C in the series?

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Disagree with High 3-A to Low 2-C scaling.

It is stated verbatim by the previous Shadow Monarch (The dude who explains all the lore of the series) that nothing in Solo Leveling possesses infinite power. (Anti-feat for High 3-A/Low 2-C. And as a result, even the Absolute Being, who created the universe, was defeated by his creations.

For this. It is stated that because all power has an end (death) there is no such thing as infinite power. The conclusion he made was literally that because the absolute being was eliminated(killed).No power lasts forever. Because all things can die and disappear.with death being an ending. End =finite. No end=infinite. And since it died.it ended.and is therefore not infinite.


This did not change even in ragnorock.

As it is repeated again that because they were killed,it is not infinite. All power has an end and disappears .which is death.

Additional scan

We know it isn’t referring to actual infinite power because that LITERALLY exists. (Even created an infinite universe)

It is compared to how humanity can create machines that can potentially harm them. In that sense, the Absolute Being absolutely shouldn't scale to his creation, in the same way humans don't inherently scale to their creations.

I don’t understand this argument. He literally infused his own power into them and then they combined their powers THAT he gave them. He split his own power,gave it to them.and they killed him with it…how is that an anti feat to his power when they literally used his own powers against him to kill him.they were literally GIVEN the power to kill god.

The Monarchs/Rulers he created have showcased no feats above island level in the series, yet their power is said to be more than enough to kill the Absolute Being. Thus it is a massive anti-feat for the Absolute Being scaling to his creation.

Genuinely just not tracking.i think you are literally trolling at this point.

Absolute being->split his power->gave part of his power to the rulers and monarchs with their purpose being to destroy the world,and to protect it.->created the universe->endless war->rulers who had been granted enough power killed him->could not come to earth due to their overwhelming power. And HAD to find vessels. Which MASSIVELY weakens their powers.yet it is STILL stated that regardless of it not being the original world,still has enough power to destroy planets.they can’t even maintain their energy levels.

Forgot these scans

Best feat that happened was Antares shaking an entire dimension with his roar. Which was possible because he wasn’t nerfed. Besides ashborns


You are really trying to correlate nerfed rulers to their true power that killed the absolute being.monarchs were the same.
They were nerfed enough that sung il-hwan was able to fight them and he is literally just a vessel and got erased from existence due to using too much power. Literally why sbm kills them because they use power beyond their limits causing their soul to collapse.

Additionally, there is no evidence to suggest that the Absolute Being even created the universe in one go. We are never given elaboration on how he created the universe in the first place.

Really isn’t relevant. Unless you can provide evidence that it took an infinite amount of time to create the infinite universe.not to mention there are numerous other universes inside it.

Because the dimensional gap is stated to be endless in size. And compared to eternal rest which is infinite in size.

And directly confirmed to be infinite in ragnorock.

It is also unlikely the "universe" is even Low 2-C/2-C in size, given that the "Chalice of Rebirth," which is capable of reversing time, also reversed the time of things outside of the universe, such as the dimensional gap (a void between dimensions). Meaning that these "universes" are not temporally separated in the first place.

Huh? The dimensional gap is inside the universe.as beyond the gaps is the universe itself

Denying this would lead to the conclusion that rulers and monarchs were flying through other itarims universes which makes no sense because they would have been killed for invading.

The World of Death is a pocket dimension ability granted by the power of the Shadow Monarch. He didn't even create it. He was sent into it.

Go ahead and prove that. As based on these scans I will have to disagree

Also, it isn't infinite. "Wide enough to be called infinite" just means its really big.

Go ahead and provide evidence on that.

That was just the original Shadow Monarch showing Jin-Woo the history of the world, going through his memories. That doesn't scale to anyone because it is just a vision.

It is memories meaning they happened. Meaning that they traveled through those universes that were seen and the shadow monarch was showing jinwoo that. While bringing them into reality.he was showing jinwoo what happened,literally a back story in which they traveled through universes.

You also ignore the part where it says they travelled there via portals. "Tunneling a portal from the crack between dimensions to Earth." That isn't speed scaling.

They had to go through portals because you literally get to the gap BY RIFTS after the dimensional wall is broken. And they had to break through the dimensional wall to reach earths dimension. They wouldn’t even need to go to the rift if they were using portals because gates literally skip the distance between the gap and goes straight to it. Ex. Dungeon gates don’t go through the gap. Why do you think jinwoo was not teleporting in the dimensional gap (mostly)? He was physically moving and chasing after them. Because when the gap between universes is too large, you have to fly through the rift physically. They were literally TRAPPED in the dimensional gap. Meaning they were physically there. And not some portal.

Antares literally even says a portal shouldn’t be possible to make. So obviously this cannot be teleportation. It needed both jinwoos and Antares power to make one.

It is just a vision of a memory so these aren't even physical structures being shown to Jin-Woo.

You can LITERALLY see the stars and structures within the scans I have shown actually existing and them literally STANDING on other structures so they are obviously physical . It was no different than the world Jinwoo created. Where he could talk and interact with things. Because he is literally creating SOMETHING out of nothing.




(All the scans that I have shown from ragnorock were context based. All things you can see from the original series just confirmed) there are no additional feats that are being used.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

oof our first goon thread, sadly phoenks makes sense to me

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Do we have any form of timeframe for the creation of everything feat? Cause if it took billions of years or something they wouldn't scale completely

I can still see High Uni or even Uni+ Sung Jin-Woo though

Although the dimensional Rifts/Cracks thing explicitly says "and eventually the footage came to a stop" which would imply he himself isn't traveling at all but just watching footage of all the planets he could go too so ima have to disagree on MFTL+ Sung Jin-Woo at least based on that feat

The wiki decides it takes a uncountable infinite amount of energy to create a universe genuinely speaking it could take any finite amount of time and would still come out to a uni+ rating

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I still dunno

You got any other feats for consistency sake?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I still dunno

You got any other feats for consistency sake?

Thats the thing, It's a huge upscaling, with some of the biggest feats from solo leveling, being armies of the most powerful being destrioying the surface of the planet after fighting for 3 days or something, and the up scaling isn't much better for Ragnarok, with an outlier here and there.

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

I still dunno

You got any other feats for consistency sake?

Antares violently shook the void and its dimensions which are the other universes(given what ashborn had shown in his back story) but I am still waiting for that to get translated on this wiki
I dont think fled showed this but quite litterly everything vanished when jinwoo meet ashborn

And we see later it all got converted into nothingness
This is the true power of the shadow monarch we witness first hand
Which is consistent given the 2 statements we have about jinwoo able to destroy everything absolute being made in og series everything will end.
As that is a begining and end
Obviously when jinwoo left this realm
He became distinct from it

As the way to leave and be reborn
After this he was the complete shadow monarch
He still has access to his conscioness after this though which should directly show he has a link to it with woojin cheul quite litterly leaving reality his soul and being unlocked via jinwoo realm which again shows a distinct between reality and soul

 

[Worthless]

Saying 3A / 2C can't exist in Solo Leveling just because of a scan that says "no such thing as Infinite Power" is missing obvious the point. The line isn't referring to infinite energy or limitless strength, but to the idea of something being truly absolute, eternal, or completely invincible

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Thats the thing, It's a huge upscaling, with some of the biggest feats from solo leveling, being armies of the most powerful being destrioying the surface of the planet after fighting for 3 days or something, and the up scaling isn't much better for Ragnarok, with an outlier here and there.

I will say this considering theirs quite litterly a infinite realm in og series death(end) this should like very much so dismiss any notation that infinite power isnt referencing actual infinite power like aleph null but something else entirely
If ragnorack ever gets approved on this wiki this 100 percent gets debunked though given one of the itarim gave yuri orlov infinite power
Monarchs cant be explained via numerical value among many many other reasons

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Also what's the tag for sung jinwoo, the page is empty

https://vsbattles.com/tags/Sung-Jin-Woo-(Novel)/

even though my match is on another one despite writing "Sung Jin-Woo (Novel)"

sung jin-woo (novel)

vsbattles.com

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I still dunno

You got any other feats for consistency sake?

It isn’t hard to understand fr.

The monarchs and rulers on earth were avatars essentially. The plan was to make earth a trap,so they weren’t planning on destroying it.rulers are supposed to protect the world so they had no choice put to protect earth. Everytime the rulers failed they reversed time.


Would basically be like this.

Nerfed=multi continental (where ever shaking the whole world scales) true power = low multi.


He is trying to say nerfed versions scale the same as their true power. So it is an “anti-feat” because an “avatar” can’t do the same thing as true form.


Couldn’t even take the full power of a weakened apostle

 

[Dalesean027]

Nerfed=multi continental (where ever shaking the whole world scales)

That shaking the world aint High 6-A normally... its low 6-B and if its a combined effort then its even lower


That aside Phoenks makes the most sense to me right now

 

[Phoenks]

For this. It is stated that because all power has an end (death) there is no such thing as infinite power. The conclusion he made was literally that because the absolute being was eliminated(killed).No power lasts forever. Because all things can die and disappear.with death being an ending. End =finite. No end=infinite. And since it died.it ended.and is therefore not infinite.


This did not change even in ragnorock.

As it is repeated again that because they were killed,it is not infinite. All power has an end and disappears .which is death.

Additional scan

We know it isn’t referring to actual infinite power because that LITERALLY exists. (Even created an infinite universe)

"Infinite" in those scans where is says the apostle gained "infinite power" seems to just be a synonym for very great power, since in the same scans it just as he is "strong enough to be called the strongest" and has "immense power."

Where did you see the creation of an infinite universe? I'm not seeing it in those scans.

Also wouldn't just say it refers to the power coming to an end, given in your first scan they reference how the absolute being isn't omnipotent (referring to infinite power).

There is a other big issue, which is that you still haven't proven the Absolute Being and the Itarim scale to their creation in physical AP/Durability.

You also haven't proven that they can create a universe in one go.

Huh? The dimensional gap is inside the universe.as beyond the gaps is the universe itself

Denying this would lead to the conclusion that rulers and monarchs were flying through other itarims universes which makes no sense because they would have been killed for invading.

Universes can be spatially separated. This is the novel, but in the Manhwa for Ragnarok, all Itarim seem to be operating under the same dimension of time anyway. The Chalice of Rebirth literally affected everything, so... any chance of Low 2-C to 2-C rating would have a big anti-feat.

Unless you want to say that there is some higher-time dimension... I hope we don't go there.

As for the scan, the translation seems a bit strange. Idk what it means by a universe itself being beyond the dimensional gap. The dimensional gap is just the place between all the different dimensions. Like the dungeons and gate worlds.

I think we may be using different translations as well. For example, your scan here says "universes and planets" while mine says "galaxies and planets"

You've been using that to justify 2-C when I have never even seen that translation btw.

I don’t understand this argument. He literally infused his own power into them and then they combined their powers THAT he gave them. He split his own power,gave it to them.and they killed him with it…how is that an anti feat to his power when they literally used his own powers against him to kill him.they were literally GIVEN the power to kill god.

The argument is that the Absolute Beings' creation does not scale to their physical attack/defense, because in the same way humans can make things that can kill them, the itarim can as well. It is like saying humans should physically scale to the nuclear bombs because they created it.

Also, your last scan seems to suggest that the god killing power is separate from the power of the Absolute Beings, which would even further disconnect the scaling.

You have to prove the Itarm/Absolute Beings scale to their creations in physical ap/durability. I mean, they literally got killed like this...

Best feat that happened was Antares shaking an entire dimension with his roar. Which was possible because he wasn’t nerfed. Besides ashborns

Uncertain if this is literal given this translation.

Also, the gap between dimensions is a void of nothingness. Even if he shook it I am pretty sure we don't give AP values to characters for affecting nothingness.

You are really trying to correlate nerfed rulers to their true power that killed the absolute being.monarchs were the same.
They were nerfed enough that sung il-hwan was able to fight them and he is literally just a vessel and got erased from existence due to using too much power. Literally why sbm kills them because they use power beyond their limits causing their soul to collapse.

It doesn't matter nerfed or unnerfed they still have no feats remotely that high.

Best feats are over-time planetary destruction which is unquantifiable and a far-cry away from universal.

Really isn’t relevant. Unless you can provide evidence that it took an infinite amount of time to create the infinite universe.not to mention there are numerous other universes inside it.

Because the dimensional gap is stated to be endless in size. And compared to eternal rest which is infinite in size.

And directly confirmed to be infinite in ragnorock.

Given how the verse uses "infinite" in other context, I struggle to see this as more than a metaphor meaning "very great"

If you remember, the World of Death is stated to be "wide enough to be called infinite" not actually infinite in the sense that it has no end.

You can LITERALLY see the stars and structures within the scans I have shown actually existing and them literally STANDING on other structures so they are obviously physical . It was no different than the world Jinwoo created. Where he could talk and interact with things. Because he is literally creating SOMETHING out of nothing.

Which is only possible within his own dimension. It is just pocket reality manipulation/reality warping.




Btw, I will just note. Throughout the post you are using Ragnarok scans which make things messy. The Jinwoo profile currently only uses Solo Leveling scans and has no Ragnarok key. There is also an ongoing thread to get the sequel accepted as canon which has not been approved yet. You're getting ahead of yourself.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Phoenks makes sense to me.

 

[KaramcaS]

I agree with the Phoenks

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

I

"Infinite" in those scans where is says the apostle gained "infinite power" seems to just be a synonym for very great power, since in the same scans it just as he is "strong enough to be called the strongest" and has "immense power."

Where did you see the creation of an infinite universe? I'm not seeing it in those scans.

Also wouldn't just say it refers to the power coming to an end, given in your first scan they reference how the absolute being isn't omnipotent (referring to infinite power).

There is a other big issue, which is that you still haven't proven the Absolute Being and the Itarim scale to their creation in physical AP/Durability.

You also haven't proven that they can create a universe in one go.


Universes can be spatially separated. This is the novel, but in the Manhwa for Ragnarok, all Itarim seem to be operating under the same dimension of time anyway. The Chalice of Rebirth literally affected everything, so... any chance of Low 2-C to 2-C rating would have a big anti-feat.

Unless you want to say that there is some higher-time dimension... I hope we don't go there.

As for the scan, the translation seems a bit strange. Idk what it means by a universe itself being beyond the dimensional gap. The dimensional gap is just the place between all the different dimensions. Like the dungeons and gate worlds.

I think we may be using different translations as well. For example, your scan here says "universes and planets" while mine says "galaxies and planets"

You've been using that to justify 2-C when I have never even seen that translation btw.


The argument is that the Absolute Beings' creation does not scale to their physical attack/defense, because in the same way humans can make things that can kill them, the itarim can as well. It is like saying humans should physically scale to the nuclear bombs because they created it.

Also, your last scan seems to suggest that the god killing power is separate from the power of the Absolute Beings, which would even further disconnect the scaling.

You have to prove the Itarm/Absolute Beings scale to their creations in physical ap/durability. I mean, they literally got killed like this...


Uncertain if this is literal given this translation.

Also, the gap between dimensions is a void of nothingness. Even if he shook it I am pretty sure we don't give AP values to characters for affecting nothingness.


It doesn't matter nerfed or unnerfed they still have no feats remotely that high.

Best feats are over-time planetary destruction which is unquantifiable and a far-cry away from universal.


Given how the verse uses "infinite" in other context, I struggle to see this as more than a metaphor meaning "very great"

If you remember, the World of Death is stated to be "wide enough to be called infinite" not actually infinite in the sense that it has no end.


Which is only possible within his own dimension. It is just pocket reality manipulation/reality warping.




Btw, I will just note. Throughout the post you are using Ragnarok scans which make things messy. The Jinwoo profile currently only uses Solo Leveling scans and has no Ragnarok key. There is also an ongoing thread to get the sequel accepted as canon which has not been approved yet. You're getting ahead of yourself.

I will say this the universes and planets vs the galaxies and world scan has been translated on this wiki to be universes and planets which I sent in the other thread
That you said no one scales to
I noticed it was a misstranlated and presented to fled then it got translated on here.

Whats your thoughts on this then
Its stated be wide enough to be called infinite
And later confirmed it has infinite darkness

 

[Dalesean027]

Unless you want to say that there is some higher-time dimension... I hope we don't go there.

No hypertimeline shenanigans please

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@Phoenks makes sense here

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

just give up on this and use ragnarok for when ragnarok keys get implemented in future since that seems to have a solid galaxy level feat

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

"Infinite" in those scans where is says the apostle gained "infinite power" seems to just be a synonym for very great power, since in the same scans it just as he is "strong enough to be called the strongest" and has "immense power."

This is stated because he is literally the apostle of infinite and the only one who has access to the itarims infinite mana. Beru devoured “part” of the ability and still gained infinite power. Because part of infinite is still infinite.I don’t see how having infinite power and being the strongest are contradictory. When it is literally confirmed multiple times by FOUR different sources within the scans

Where did you see the creation of an infinite universe? I'm not seeing it in those scans.

The dimensional rift.

Also wouldn't just say it refers to the power coming to an end, given in your first scan they reference how the absolute being isn't omnipotent (referring to infinite power).

I don’t see the correlation. It is literally saying that even though they seem all powerful,even they are bound by absolute death and are therefore not infinite due to dying.

There is an other big issue, which is that you still haven't proven the Absolute Being and the Itarim scale to their creation in physical AP/Durability.

There is nothing contradicting it. I have given evidence on why they were able to harm him.. though if we are using ragnorock then they can fight,just more experienced with creation

You also haven't proven that they can create a universe in one go.

This LITERALLY isn’t needed. Creating something infinite within finite time is still scaleable even if they took billions of years. Even more so when he created numerous universes.(if we use ragnorock yet again. They do it pretty fast

Universes can be spatially separated. This is the novel, but in the Manhwa for Ragnarok, all Itarim seem to be operating under the same dimension of time anyway. The Chalice of Rebirth literally affected everything, so... any chance of Low 2-C to 2-C rating would have a big anti-feat.

The scan doesn’t show anything notable. It just shows the tool of god. Which other itarim literally also have one.(evidence on the itarims world also being reversed?) if that was the case I don’t see a reason why they would give the apostle a fail safe essentially when they could just reverse time of everything. Instead of waiting until they are in another dimension. Also it is just referencing their long time alive. Witnessing countless universes be created and destroyed.

Unless you want to say that there is some higher-time dimension... I hope we don't go there.

How did you come to this conclusion? Multiversal range exists. Even if we do say it affected the whole cosmology (which you haven’t proven)
It wouldn’t be an anti-feat because our absolute being is literally the strongest one. ritsu (wiki translator ) even translated it as being the master of itarim. With our absolute being being able to affect things that are impossible for other itarim to affect as well as creating more fundamental things.so even if he DID affect the whole cosmology,it would just means he outscales. and has multiversal range (which I still need proof for it affecting other itarims world)

As for the scan, the translation seems a bit strange. Idk what it means by a universe itself being beyond the dimensional gap. The dimensional gap is just the place between all the different dimensions. Like the dungeons and gate worlds.

Yeah. It is essentially outer space except it is a void (and holds dimensions ). And beyond that is another void. Being the universe itself. The universe holds countless other dimensions (universes) and the invading apostles were hiding within meteors and falling from outer space into random dimensions.(dungeons)

I think we may be using different translations as well. For example, your scan here says "universes and planets" while mine says "galaxies and planets"
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
You've been using that to justify 2-C when I have never even seen that translation btw.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

It is translated by wiki translator.which takes precedence.

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
The argument is that the Absolute Beings' creation does not scale to their physical attack/defense, because in the same way humans can make things that can kill them, the itarim can as well. It is like saying humans should physically scale to the nuclear bombs because they created it.

This isn’t the argument at all. The argument is that the absolute being gave them enough power to destroy and protect the world. He literally INFUSED his own power (making him grow weaker) into them. Their purpose is literally to destroy EVERYTHING created. ALL of existence.they are literally infused with the power to OPPOSE GOD. And rulers have the literal AUTHORITY of godkilling. They grew strong enough to threaten him. And they killed him.
This very clearly tells you that they are going to destroy all the dimensions and everything that the absolute being created. That is the whole reason they fought for the fate of ALL dimensions because they will either be saved or destroyed.

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
Also, your last scan seems to suggest that the god killing power is separate from the power of the Absolute Beings, which would even further disconnect the scaling.

Obviously it is different from other absolute beings. Because THE absolute being. Otherwise known as the TRUE god created it. It is an authority HE MADE. Other itarim don’t have ruler’s authority. The absolute being created it and gave it to the rulers. And they used it to kill him.

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
You have to prove the Itarm/Absolute Beings scale to their creations in physical ap/durability. I mean, they literally got killed like this...
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

I’d argue that is manhwa only,but regardless doesn’t debunk anything.

Uncertain if this is literal given this translation.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

We can get it translated, there is another statement as well.will find it later.

Also, the gap between dimensions is a void of nothingness. Even if he shook it I am pretty sure we don't give AP values to characters for affecting nothingness.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

They weren’t in the dimensional gap.they were in a different universe.just like all his fights vs monarchs. They were traveling to different universes .

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
It doesn't matter nerfed or unnerfed they still have no feats remotely that high.

Their feats in the OG SERIES are smaller in scale because they are NERFED. When they aren’t nerfed, they are able to destroy dimensions with their presence. I can pull up like 15 statements and feats of characters destroying dimensions in ragnorock where they aren’t nerfed.

This is like trying to correlate idk yogiri and his true form. Saying because yogiri can’t kill something ,than it is an anti-feat for his true form which is more powerful.

They literally have two different power levels and you keep trying to say “because a weaker version can’t do it” then if the stronger version can then it is an outlier. Which isn’t a good argument at all.

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
Best feats are over-time planetary destruction which is unquantifiable and a far-cry away from universal.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

Yet again. It is literally a Shell. They can’t use much of their power at all. So their feats while IN the shell. Which weakens their power,has no affect on their feats,OUTSIDE their body. Because outside of the shell,they start destroying the dimension . Which they do not want because they are laying a TRAP. They can’t do that if the world is destroyed can they? Even the apostles don’t want that

Given how the verse uses "infinite" in other context, I struggle to see this as more than a metaphor meaning "very great"
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

You literally haven’t proven that it isn’t infinite. It is literally compared to something that IS infinite. No evidence on it being a metaphor.

If you remember, the World of Death is stated to be "wide enough to be called infinite" not actually infinite in the sense that it has no end.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

Being large enough to be called infinite literally concludes to being infinite in size. You have yet again given no scans for your statements.

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
Which is only possible within his own dimension. It is just pocket reality manipulation/reality warping.
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G

This isn’t relevant he doesn’t have creation powers outside of it. What he creates inside is still “something” which he is able to create universes in.meaning that in the world,he is able to use his powers to create,and outside of it he is able to destroy

https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
https://imgur.com/a/WTPTQ1G
Btw, I will just note. Throughout the post you are using Ragnarok scans which make things messy. The Jinwoo profile currently only uses Solo Leveling scans and has no Ragnarok key. There is also an ongoing thread to get the sequel accepted as canon which has not been approved yet. You're getting ahead of yourself.

Yeah imma get this closed until that thread is done, I haven’t used feats from ragnorock, just context based statements

 

[Phoenks]

This is already going in circles. You've provided your evidence and I've provided my counterarguments. I don't have the energy to just keep repeating them over and over.

You haven't proved that "infinite" is used literally in parts that matter. The only time "infinite" is used correctly is when the Shadow Monarch says that infinite power doesn't exist.

Being "wide enough to be called infinite" is an extremely obvious hyperbolic statement. They are just saying that for practical purposes the space feels endless. It doesn't mean that it actually is.

You haven't proved that the Absolute Beings scale to their creations. If they don't scale physically then the Monarchs can't scale to universal for killing them.

You haven't proved that the Absolute Beings created the universe at once.

The "nerfed" Monarchs argument doesn't change anything because they're still completely feat-less.

Also, the "universes"/"dimensions" that exist in Solo Leveling are usually much smaller than the observable universe, given they tend to just be RPG-type dungeons or planets. They are furthermore not temporally separated from one another. They all exist between the gap in dimensions, which is still inside the same timeline that the Chalice of Rebirth can reverse. Even if the characters were accepted to affect everything, it would still only be a 3-A feat.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This is already going in circles. You've provided your evidence and I've provided my counterarguments. I don't have the energy to just keep repeating them over and over.

You haven't proved that "infinite" is used literally in parts that matter. The only time "infinite" is used correctly is when the Shadow Monarch says that infinite power doesn't exist.

Being "wide enough to be called infinite" is an extremely obvious hyperbolic statement. They are just saying that for practical purposes the space feels endless. It doesn't mean that it actually is.

Just wanna say, the scan that talks about the infinite darkness world thing seems legit too (the last scan in this album) granted it could be just some metaphorical "eternal darkness thing" but doesn't seem like that to me

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Just wanna say, the scan that talks about the infinite darkness world thing seems legit too (the last scan in this album) granted it could be just some metaphorical "eternal darkness thing" but doesn't seem like that to me

It also has a endless statement.

Honestly could just take the approach infinite power doesnt exist cause its the source and the source is nonexistence
Hence itd be no such thing as nonexistence is no thing
the source is also just a power of god the true power .
but thats not something that should really be used for this thread cause it could potentially bring something higher then the low multi rating that this thread is going for. Might end up making a thread later in the year

 

[Phoenks]

Just wanna say, the scan that talks about the infinite darkness world thing seems legit too (the last scan in this album) granted it could be just some metaphorical "eternal darkness thing" but doesn't seem like that to me

The series already addressed that it's vast enough to be called infinite so I can assume every other time it is called infinite in the text that it doesn't actually mean the space is endless in size. Every statement just reads like a hyperbole to me, meant to emphasize the realm. Because "realm of endless/infinite darkness" sounds a lot cooler than just saying "realm of darkness."

Regardless I don't even know how this matters. The realm doesn't even scale to anything accept Jin-Woo's range within the dimension.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree with phoenks.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

This is already going in circles. You've provided your evidence and I've provided my counterarguments. I don't have the energy to just keep repeating them over and over.

You haven't proved that "infinite" is used literally in parts that matter. The only time "infinite" is used correctly is when the Shadow Monarch says that infinite power doesn't exist.

i just won’t contest this point.since you obviously just are appealing to belief “it could mean this”

Regardless of the fact it is

1.)called infinite twice. And endless about 5 times.
2.)compared to something confirmed to be infinite
3.) is created from someone with infinite mana
4.)stated that it holds infinite power. I need Ritsu to translate this,because I believe it says power.

Being "wide enough to be called infinite" is an extremely obvious hyperbolic statement. They are just saying that for practical purposes the space feels endless. It doesn't mean that it actually is.

manhwa says this

You haven't proved that the Absolute Beings scale to their creations. If they don't scale physically then the Monarchs can't scale to universal for killing them.

I literally showed them fighting and not getting damaged.. and Suho literally stronger than every other monarch

You haven't proved that the Absolute Beings created the universe at once.

Yet again.creating something INFINITE,in a finite amount of time,still scales there. If you took billions of years to create a 2-A structure you would STILL be 2-A. And I literally just showed instant creation.

The "nerfed" Monarchs argument doesn't change anything because they're still completely feat-less.

No they aren’t literally destroying dimensions

Also, the "universes"/"dimensions" that exist in Solo Leveling are usually much smaller than the observable universe, given they tend to just be RPG-type dungeons or planets. They are furthermore not temporally separated from one another. They all exist between the gap in dimensions, which is still inside the same timeline that the Chalice of Rebirth can reverse. Even if the characters were accepted to affect everything, it would still only be a 3-A feat.

Idk what you are yapping about. As per the page.

• If they are outright called universes or stated to be the size of universes by a reliable source, they should be considered universes.
• They are outright called universes within the scan of countless universes flashing by.
• If the size of the realms described has having infinite sizes or other synonyms, that should strongly indicate them being universes.
• It is called endless,as well as Infinite
• If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.
• They are stated to be from other dimensions from earths,and directly compared to it. We know earths dimension is OUR universe yet it is just ONE dimension inside the absolute beings universe.

As for the size of those dimensions.

Not only are they compared to our universe,they at least have outer space and a sun.so def bigger than a planet. I need one scan translated to see if all the orbs or whatever they were (I forgot) were universes.

 

[Kaydee1648]

you obviously just are appealing to belief

Idk what you are yapping about

You’re a bit too arrogant for someone who missed the point.

Disagree FRA

 

[Phoenks]

I am done responding btw. I'm waiting for staff.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Current votes

Agree -
Disagree - @Phoenks, @Dark_Soul20189, @SweetDao, @Ghostimuscrime, @Dalesean027, @RitsuØ1, @KaramcaS, @EldemadeDityjon, @Setsuna_tenma, @KaydeeX,
Neutral - @Rogue_Forge,

(Notes: Counting "Phoenks makes sense to me" as votes. Also, while some people here have argued alongside the OP, they have yet to vote in agreement with it.)

 

[RitsuØ1]

4.)stated that it holds infinite power. I need Ritsu to translate this,because I believe it says power.

권능 means power, as in authority. So, this only makes me doubt the High 3-A scaling even more.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

권능 means power, as in authority. So, this only makes me doubt the High 3-A scaling even more.

Authority is the command of laws. Like how jinwoo commands death & Antares commands destruction. I don’t see how this wouldn’t be referring to jinwoos power over his world. Even more so when he himself embodies the world of eternal rest,being an infinite source of power.

 

[Hellformer]

While everyone over is like "Phoenks FRA", I personally agree with the upgrade.
Ik my vote doesn't matter