One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean, I guess but like his best showing are getting his ass beat by top tiers so like

Been a while since I read WCI, but didn't luffy call his haki tough? Wasn't he able to fight Luffy for hours? Like, Luffy needed more help to beat him than he needed against doffy (jack is also below cracker if you look)

Alone? I think they would at most be on G4 level, they would put more of a fight than Lucci, but not by that much and luffy would not need to call in Backup like teach did

He relied on his soldiers being a perfect counter to Luffy who's a pure brawler who couldn't break through the soldiers and get to Cracker fast enough before he could make more. That's not happening against Doffy who can fly around and control the soldiers with Awakening and force Cracker to actually try and fight Doffy himself somehow.
Teach still mostly soloed Law as far as we know, he 1v1ed Ace after all so I don't see why he would resort to jumping Law unless Law was genuinely beating his ass which clearly wouldn't happen lol.
Also Lucci doesn't have better feats than King or Queen, at least definitely not King since he looked like a zombie after Zoro landed one clean attack on him while King took two/three ACoC attacks before finally going down (and he took those with the flames OFF mind you), not to mention King was either ragdolling or equally matching all out Zoro before he unlocked ACoC while Awakened Lucci could only go toe-to-toe with no-ACoC Nitoryu Zoro.
King would **** Lucci up.

 

[Bananossauro]

He relied on his soldiers being a perfect counter to Luffy who's a pure brawler who couldn't break through the soldiers and get to Cracker fast enough before he could make more. That's not happening against Doffy who can fly around and control the soldiers with Awakening and force Cracker to actually try and fight Doffy himself somehow.
Teach still mostly soloed Law as far as we know, he 1v1ed Ace after all so I don't see why he would resort to jumping Law unless Law was genuinely beating his ass which clearly wouldn't happen lol.
Also Lucci doesn't have better feats than King or Queen, at least definitely not King since he looked like a zombie after Zoro landed one clean attack on him while King took two/three ACoC attacks before finally going down (and he took those with the flames OFF mind you), not to mention King was either ragdolling or equally matching all out Zoro before he unlocked ACoC while Awakened Lucci could only go toe-to-toe with no-ACoC Nitoryu Zoro.
King would **** Lucci up.

Agree to disagree on cracker. I simply think his army and literally stronger haki and mostly better stats would be enough to counter the guy that got ragdolled by G4. Unless awakening turns the soldiers into string but that's too much speculation I think.

Ace is the only fight in the series where the BB pirates didn't jump the enemy, and it probably was because they would not be able to hurt him cuz he was a logia and teach wanted to win him over. And as I said, in 1081 Burgess also looked like he had damage. Considering their performance against Garp (unless you think the ones with Teach are stronger than who was on the island), it makes sense that they are more than powerfull, but not by that much (im not saying law could win if it was a 1v1, just that it wasn't and it wasn't a complete stomp despite that) . I'm not saying I can't see your point, just that to me he is not that guy yet.

I mean, KoH is good and all but, having feats against G5 is simply better in my opinion (even if he got bent over, he still put up a fight) and It does not make sense for Zoro to stall like that if he could simply one shot him, makes him pretty dumb considering the whole situation (pretty sure he didnt even knock him out so)

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Agree to disagree on cracker. I simply think his army and literally stronger haki and mostly better stats would be enough to counter the guy that got ragdolled by G4. Unless awakening turns the soldiers into string but that's too much speculation I think.

Ace is the only fight in the series where the BB pirates didn't jump the enemy, and it probably was because they would not be able to hurt him cuz he was a logia and teach wanted to win him over. And as I said, in 1081 Burgess also looked like he had damage. Considering their performance against Garp (unless you think the ones with Teach are stronger than who was on the island), it makes sense that they are more than powerfull, but not by that much (im not saying law could win if it was a 1v1, just that it wasn't and it wasn't a complete stomp despite that) . I'm not saying I can't see your point, just that to me he is not that guy yet.

I mean, KoH is good and all but, having feats against G5 is simply better in my opinion (even if he got bent over, he still put up a fight) and It does not make sense for Zoro to stall like that if he could simply one shot him, makes him pretty dumb considering the whole situation (pretty sure he didnt even knock him out so)

You do realize Law had his own guys backing him up there right
Two of them were trying to sink Teach's ship as a matter of fact
Also Lucci got three shotted by a casual G5 I don't know if that'd happen to a flame on King tbh

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What did Wobert Gucci do to you? He has better showings than king and queen combined

In any way and every showing, he's way under king in stats... I haven't even seen the full fight between zoro and king and even I know this...

Awakening Lucci's ap is = to 2 swords style zoro (No bandana as well).... Speed? Standing and dodging in the same spot with Lucci mass spamming attacks, unable to land a single hit (effortlessly + no bandana ), durability? 3 swords style Zoro nearly one shotting Lucci with only using one named attack.

Saying he has better showings than king and queen combined is worse than a joke... I hope at least you're just a Lucci fan, deliberately trying to be biased

 

[Kaydee1648]

get that ass banned wario hater

anyway I made a tier list a week or two ago, anyone who's not MoL tell me what you think (Bepo is a replacement for Joyboy since he's not on the list)

why do you have bepo so high lol

 

[DaMonkeMan]

why do you have bepo so high lol

read the part in parentheses

 

[Kaydee1648]

oh, i’m blind

 

[Fireld]

Bro I'm exhausted/tired, annoyed and chill all at the same time and it's not even going away... What is happening

Maybe need to just meditate, too much stuff happening all at the same time making me use 300% of my brain more than I usually use it

Monkey see, monkey do

This cover reminded me of the altenative costumes in Super Grand Battle X

Bepo

Surprised his page is missing these

BTW nice Wario pfp

Never saw when Jack was put above Doffy

IIRC Kaido mocked Doffy for being weak when he heard the news about him losing to the Dressrosa Luffy/Law Alliance.
When refering to Jack, he said sth about Jack one of his most valued soldiers, him not being weak for losing when Sulong Inu & Neko jumped him and stepped in to protect him. Though I do admit he's a premium jobber

 

[Gamecooob]

despite the break I thought we'd get spoilers early ngl
seems like a no though

 

[Bananossauro]

You do realize Law had his own guys backing him up there right
Two of them were trying to sink Teach's ship as a matter of fact
Also Lucci got three shotted by a casual G5 I don't know if that'd happen to a flame on King tbh

Yes, I know that, but they have worse than zero feats. In the water they had the advantage since Teach's crew are comprised of devil fruit users and they have a submarine + cracked swiming. Besides Burgess, Doc Q and Van Augur were already on the island so it would Law a whole lot of guys who have no feats and couldn't help against Big Mom. Despite having a terrain advantage they lost a freaking submarine and you're telling me they could've helped ?

I mean, Lucci still had that clash with G5, even if it was basic armament, I still think it is a greater feat than King fight with wano KoH unless tge difference between KoH
Zoro against King is greater than the difference of awakened Lucci and egghead G5.

In any way and every showing, he's way under king in stats... I haven't even seen the full fight between zoro and king and even I know this...

Awakening Lucci's ap is = to 2 swords style zoro (No bandana as well).... Speed? Standing and dodging in the same spot with Lucci mass spamming attacks, unable to land a single hit (effortlessly + no bandana ), durability? 3 swords style Zoro nearly one shotting Lucci with only using one named attack.

Saying he has better showings than king and queen combined is worse than a joke... I hope at least you're just a Lucci fan, deliberately trying to be biased

Bro, admiting you didn't finish the fight is weird.

Not to be that guy but, why would putting a bandana and a sword in your mouth make your arms stronger? 3>2 and all that but, for me, the difference isn't on clashes and simply on techniques and Zoro is "more adjusted" using 3 swords than 2. The bandana point is also weird cuz you can't say he is casual when your scan he says he is in a hurry so he has to be trying.

As said above, he still had that clash with G5 and I don't think King can do a similar thing to any Yonko or similar level character, especially G5.

IIRC Kaido mocked Doffy for being weak when he heard the news about him losing to the Dressrosa Luffy/Law Alliance.
When refering to Jack, he said sth about Jack one of his most valued soldiers, him not being weak for losing when Sulong Inu & Neko jumped him and stepped in to protect him. Though I do admit he's a premium jobber

Read his post wrong and forgot to say this, tnx (probably the biggest jobber on the verse still)

 

[That_moron2]

Creati vs Devil Child (Momo Yaoyorozu vs Nico Robin)

Speed equal, Robin is in her first key and Momo in her last, SBA otherwise Momo: Robin: Inconclusive:

vsbattles.com

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Monkey see, monkey do

This cover reminded me of the altenative costumes in Super Grand Battle X

Surprised his page is missing these

BTW nice Wario pfp

IIRC Kaido mocked Doffy for being weak when he heard the news about him losing to the Dressrosa Luffy/Law Alliance.
When refering to Jack, he said sth about Jack one of his most valued soldiers, him not being weak for losing when Sulong Inu & Neko jumped him and stepped in to protect him. Though I do admit he's a premium jobber

I know, but Kaido was consistently underestimated Luffy and Law and also didn't even consider the fact they got a combined bounty that was equal to his own underling.
Dressrosa Luffy and Law would have beaten Jack as well tbh so I don't take Kaido's word as god there

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bro, admiting you didn't finish the fight is weird.

That's because I'm on ep 930 in the anime

Not to be that guy but, why would putting a bandana and a sword in your mouth make your arms stronger? 3>2 and all that but, for me, the difference isn't on clashes and simply on techniques and Zoro is "more adjusted" using 3 swords than 2. The bandana point is also weird cuz you can't say he is casual when your scan he says he is in a hurry so he has to be trying.

Bandana is legit stated he uses for when he's fighting seriously, using 2 swords at the same time will be weaker than Zoro using 3 swords at the same time...

Zoro says he can finish the fight whenever... so that doesn't matter, Zoro was stalling Lucci until they all had the time to escape

As said above, he still had that clash with G5 and I don't think King can do a similar thing to any Yonko or similar level character, especially G5.

Zoro debunks that clash, saying he shouldn't even expect to have a chance of fighting luffy if that's his best (With Lucci not disagreeing)... And full on gets debunked with Zoro stalemating him with 2 swords only and luffy heavily overpowering him right after the clash

Luffy clearly also wasn't trying with his fight against Lucci.

 

[Imaginym]

That's because I'm on ep 930 in the anime

People always disparage watching the anime so much, especially given the pacing compared to the manga.
No offense meant, since I'm pretty sure the anime is good, & I can readily believe there's good reasons to do so, but why are you watching the anime?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

People always disparage watching the anime so much, especially given the pacing compared to the manga.
No offense meant, since I'm pretty sure the anime is good, & I can readily believe there's good reasons to do so, but why are you watching the anime?

Anime is 95% of the time a better experience than reading a manga... That's the only reason needed

Monkeys don't like reading.

 

[Imaginym]

Anime is 95% of the time a better experience than reading a manga... That's the only reason needed

Monkeys don't like reading.

Fair enough. Enjoy!
(Sorry about taking a while to respond, especially given how simple my response was, lol.)

 

[Bananossauro]

That's because I'm on ep 930 in the anime


Bandana is legit stated he uses for when he's fighting seriously, using 2 swords at the same time will be weaker than Zoro using 3 swords at the same time...

Zoro says he can finish the fight whenever... so that doesn't matter, Zoro was stalling Lucci until they all had the time to escape

Zoro debunks that clash, saying he shouldn't even expect to have a chance of fighting luffy if that's his best (With Lucci not disagreeing)... And full on gets debunked with Zoro stalemating him with 2 swords only and luffy heavily overpowering him right after the clash

Luffy clearly also wasn't trying with his fight against Lucci.

I know bandana means he is serious, i just dont think just because he isn't using he aint serius (he literally say he is in a hurry in that scan you posted last time)

I'm not saying that Lucci can actually box with g5 100%, like we know luffy was not going all out (he only went giant when fighting kizaru who is superior to lucci and turned him into a pizza). What I am saying tho is that he still scales to "base" G5 with armament due to the clash. Is that enough to actually fight luffy? No. He still has like, 2 to 3 forms of AP amps outside of his passive growth for this to actually mean something to him, but, even if Luffy can be way more powerfull than that, does not make Lucci weak in general. So, as I said, I don't think King (or Queen) has the capability to do a clash like that with G5 Luffy.
This tecnically is a Zoro upscale since this would make zoro way stronger than he was on Wano, but if you disagree on that we can agree to disagree.

Also, I know he was not trying (as in, he did not use any advanced form of haki, just hardening) but I don't see how that scan in specific shows that.

Also, i think its neat that you go and find a lot for the current stuff going for the manga while still preferring the anime

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What I am saying tho is that he still scales to "base" G5 with armament due to the clash.

if luffy wasn't trying... That invalidates the clash.

This tecnically is a Zoro upscale since this would make zoro way stronger than he was on Wano, but if you disagree on that we can agree to disagree.

If Zoro became stronger during his fight against king and king still kept up with him... That doesnt mean zoro's magically going to be stronger afterwards after not having faced any tough opponents, you would have to prove that

Also, i think its neat that you go and find a lot for the current stuff going for the manga while still preferring the anime

I use the manga kinda like bonus content in a way in the op verse (Since it has stuff the anime doesn't)

 

[SlendVeny]

Truth, chopper or Nami would have Pikachu (Sanji can also make sense)

No, Nami mains Castform, and Chopper himself would be his own main, a Sawsbuck or Stantler

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nami mains Castform

Who.

Chopper himself would be his own main

dressed as Pikachu

Sawsbuck or Stantler

Who?


Only gen 1 maybe 2 pls the rest are irrelevant

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I absolutely hate rereading old op threads, especially inverse op matches... I'm basically right in all of them and the opposition both try to make fun of what I'm saying while they themselves make 0 sense, especially now with even more proof

Tho ngl, while I was speaking truth and was right... I didn't sound convincing, like basically what I was doing was implementing and sharing information so that people reconsider their mindsets but now I know that just doesn't work because people actually can't think by themselves

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Castform

WHAT IS THAT... AHH HELL NAH I JUST SAW... Maybe you right then

 

[Imaginym]

Who.

A Pokemon classified as the "Weather" Pokemon, made by science/humanity. It changes to different forms in different weathers, which have different types & appearances. It also was originally the only Pokemon to learn the move Weather Ball, which changes type depending on the weather.
Players are basically guaranteed to obtain a Castform in the Hoenn games, because it's a gift from grateful researchers at the Weather Institutes, which had been attacked by Team Magma or Team Aqua. Which evil team depends on the game.
Castform learns practically every move that can change weather or uses weather.

Either way, I'm sure y'all can see the parallels to Nami's Climatact, a scientifically-made means of weather controlling.

Who?

Stantler is a Generation 2 reindeer-like Pokemon. In the anime, several Stantler pulled the flying sleigh of Santa Claus.
Recently, it got an evolved form, Wyrdeer, introduced in Pokemon Legends: Arceus. There's more to the species, of course, but Wyrdeer's fur is noted to be great material for winter clothing, presumably because it's a species only found in Hisui, which was known for its cold climate. Wyrdeer also has a big, white, beard; Combined with its reindeer-like traits, I wouldn't be surprised if some found it evocative of Santa, too.

Spoiler: Large resolution image

As for Sawsbuck, it's arguably quite fitting itself.
It was introduced in Generation 5, & it & its pre-evolved form, Deerling, noticeably change forms based on the season.

Notable speculation about Sawsbuck from Bulbapedia: It may also be based on Baron Munchausen's tall tale Reflections on Saint Hubert's stag— in the story, Munchausen shoots a stag using cherry pits in his musket; the stag survives and escapes, and in the following year reappears with a cherry tree growing out of its head.

Considering the pink-petaled flowers on Sawsbuck's antlers, that may remind some of the pink sakura petals, known to be those of cherry trees. IIRC, in Chopper's backstory, Dr. Hiruluk shared his dream of showing a great, pink snowstorm to the winter island of Drum Island. (Though, sadly, those flowers are only on its Spring form; Sawsbuck's Winter form is more just brown & white.)

Only gen 1 maybe 2 pls the rest are irrelevant

Are you trolling?

 

[SlendVeny]

Only gen 1 maybe 2 pls the rest are irrelevant

1. You knew Infernape, which is Gen 4.
2. Gens 1 and 2 are mediocre compared to the later gens, and the gen 1 games are kinda ass.
3. Stantler is Gen 2.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

1. You knew Infernape, which is Gen 4.

Only because ape

. Gens 1 and 2 are mediocre compared to the later gens, and the gen 1 games are kinda ass.

More popular and iconic so gg

3. Stantler is Gen 2.

I said kinda gen 2, meaning half of them are popular

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Are you trolling?

Nah. Most early gens gg

The most popular Pokémon generation is generally considered to be Generation 1 (Red, Blue, and Yellow), followed closely by Generation 2 (Gold, Silver, and Crystal). While later generations have garnered significant fan followings and introduced new mechanics, the initial impact of Generation 1, with its iconic characters and foundational gameplay, remains a strong favorite.

Gg, W Ai.

 

[Imaginym]

Only because ape

So you know the other simian Pokemon, then, right?

More popular and iconic so gg

Appeal to popularity.

Nah. Most early gens gg

To their credit, it is Gen 1 & 2 at the foreground of the image.

'course, that image is also made to celebrate Mega Pokemon, & many of the Mega Pokemon were of Gen 1 species. (& Gen 3 species.)
That image contains: Pikachu, Eeevee, Clefairy, Rapidash(??), Chikorita, Meowth (Way in the back for some reason??), Rotom-Wash, Mega Charizard X (Way in the back.), Mega Houndoom, Klefki(??), Greninja, Mega Blaziken, Totodile, Mega Gallade, Tepig, (Mega?) Garchomp, & Mega Absol.

Megas are because it's doing a "Mega campaign" image, Pikachu & Eevee are practically mascots, Chikorita, Tepig & Totodile are the starters of the newest/upcoming game, & Megas are Z-A's gimmick.

I assume Pokemon like Rotom-Wash form, Rapidash, Clefairy, the weird Meowth in the back, & Klefki are for weird character association reasons.

Gg, W Ai.

Very disappointing takes.

Frankly, I do not care for dismissing 75% or more of Pokemon. Personally, I'd dare say it's kind of an abhorrent notion to me.

Sorry for getting kind of off-topic, though. Hope I ain't being bothersome.

 

[Kachon123]

One Piece Live Action Season 2 Official Trailer

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So you know the other simian Pokemon, then, right?

idk maybe?

Appeal to popularity.

Yes? Otherwise why say a Pokémon if no one will know what Pokémon you're talking about

Very disappointing takes.

Frankly, I do not care for dismissing 75% or more of Pokemon. Personally, I'd dare say it's kiind of an abhorrent notion to me.

The takes aren't mine. They are objective facts

Sorry for getting kind of off-topic, though. Hope I ain't being bothersome.

 

[Imaginym]

The takes aren't mine. They are objective facts

They are yours by your espousal of them. Whatever. Agree to disagree.
& whether they're facts or not, I request you do not state (Accurately or not.) such notions as being fact to me.
I don't care who says it's fact or not; It deeply infuriates me.

Thanks.

 

[Bananossauro]

Only gen 1 maybe 2 pls the rest are irrelevant

nah this take is the most absurd take I've seen in this thread, how can you say the most wonderfull pokemon of all time appletun is irrelevant

 

[Kaydee1648]

 

[Heoj]

theres a new opening and ending theme coming out very soon, animators said it has a lot of egghead spoilers

edit: its out now

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

They are yours by your espousal of them. Whatever. Agree to disagree.
& whether they're facts or not, I request you do not state (Accurately or not.) such notions as being fact to me.
I don't care who says it's fact or not; It deeply infuriates me.

Bro… I said it to someone else, not you, you then said I was trolling, which I disproved by showing the facts, that gen 1-2 being the most popular… like I did nothing but defend that I wasn’t trolling

But sure I won’t talk about that to you?

 

[Imaginym]

Bro… I said it to someone else, not you, you then said I was trolling, which I disproved by showing the facts, that gen 1-2 being the most popular… like I did nothing but defend that I wasn’t trolling

Apologies for being a bit abrasive.
I just didn't like someone calling hundreds of Pokemon irrelevant, even if it was because they are, often, less popular than some Gen 1 & Gen 2 mons.

But sure I won’t talk about that to you?

Thanks, sorry for any bother.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Apologies for being a bit abrasive.
I just didn't like someone calling hundreds of Pokemon irrelevant, even if it was because they are, often, less popular than some Gen 1 & Gen 2 mons.

Well I said irrelevant as a joke (but also in a half true way), since they brought up Pokémons who most wouldn't be familiar with, when trying to associate pokemons to popular op characters (Which all started from the jump x pokemon collab)

of course not saying there aren't good Pokémon character's above gen 1-2 but they will overall be less popular, making it less sense specifically to use them as a collab for the franchise

Thanks, sorry for any bother.

 

[SlendVeny]

Well I said irrelevant as a joke (but also in a half true way), since they brought up Pokémons who most wouldn't be familiar with, when trying to associate pokemons to popular op characters (Which all started from the jump x pokemon collab)

of course not saying there aren't good Pokémon character's above gen 1-2 but they will overall be less popular, making it less sense specifically to use them as a collab for the franchise

See, usually crossovers are for fans of the franchises, who will know characters from the franchises.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

See, usually crossovers are for fans of the franchises, who will know characters from the franchises.

then why does one piece only advertise characters who are the most popular? (Look at even every fortnite collab)

Crossovers happens when something is popular to being with and want to increase their franchise by reaching new audiences... Using not so popular/favorable characters is quite unwise (Like Pikachu)

 

[Antvasima]

Monkey, perhaps you should try to tone down your confrontational tone a bit. We should strive for a friendly atmosphere here after all.

 

[Antvasima]

One Piece's manga sales give fans hope of a feat no manga has ever achieved

The legendary manga One Piece is poised to do what no manga has ever done before – surpass Superman in total comic sales.

www.sportskeeda.com

I do not know if this is unreliable or not, but it is nice if it is true.

Also, we should consider that the sum total online readers are probably at least 10 to 20 times as many as the physical manga volume readers, and that the Shounen Jump sales are not factored into the official number.