Attack On Titan Massive AP & Speed Revision

[Lilybitdun]

You can also see how big of chunks Hange is capable of cutting out of the rumbling Colossal titans

 

[Lilybitdun]

Will respond to the rest in a bit, ive just been reminded that the book we're using also gives a list of jaw strengths for the different Titans

So Eren was able to briefly hold 55 metric tons

oo good find, this'll be useful for Pure Titans lifting strength. Eren being able to briefly hold the 15m titan's jaw feels a bit outlier-ish but it could maybe be included as a possibly at most Class 100?

 

[Machmatej]

Will respond to the rest in a bit, ive just been reminded that the book we're using also gives a list of jaw strengths for the different Titans

So Eren was able to briefly hold 55 metric tons

And Berthold casually kicked a 55 ton titan like a hundred meters away. surely that can be calced

 

[Machmatej]

oo good find, this'll be useful for Pure Titans lifting strength. Eren being able to briefly hold the 15m titan's jaw feels a bit outlier-ish but it could maybe be included as a possibly at most Class 100?

Class 100 base Eren is crazy ngl

 

[GodEarh206]

Damn, Human Eren Class 100

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cool, I also have this calc waiting evaluation that would slightly upgrade the Titan Shifters speed.

Nice

In the panel I showed you it literally says he came out of the colossus' remains, if it fully evaporated the moment it hit the ground there wouldn't be remains.
The 8.2 (or the 4.1 kilotons for approx. half it's body) comes from Bertolt converting the entire biomass of the Colossal Titan into gas

"If all that mass was converted into gas, it would produce 8.2 billion kilocalories of heat, equivalent of 8200 tons of gunpower(...)"
And there's still the problem the guidebook states "Now this is bad! The Colossus fell less than a hundred meters (330 feet) from the wall. The explosion must have severely damaged it. What if Titans started streaming into Wall Rose from there?!" with there being no signs of damage from the wall. Something exploding at the half energy that would be needed to damage the wall enough for titans to stream through would've damaged it.

It feels more like an oversight on the manga artists tbh, because looking at literally every other time the Colossus Titan does this move it causes mass collateral damage. The explosion SHOULD have damaged the wall.

Can you give me examples where it's fine to assume an multiplier for a technique like this? I'm iffy about applying multipliers like

Dragon Ball and My Hero Academia immediately come to mind. The fact that we have a directly stated numerical value means it should be fine to use.

There's a problem with circular scaling
Attack Titan's Hardening AP / Durability > Armor Titan > ODM blades = Colossal Titan's Durability = Colossal Titan's AP
Attack Titan's base Durabilty is 1/81th of his Hardening Durabilty, with his base AP is 81x his durabilty which leads to him having the same AP as the Colossal Titan even though it's shown the Colossal Titan can casually knock out the Attack Titan with a kick, should be stronger due to sheer size, and the Armored Titan whose comparable to the Attack Titan was shown to be unable to hurt the Colossal Titan with his base attacks.

It wouldnt be circular, it would be:

1/2 Colossus Titan Self Destruction = Attack Titan Durability < Attack Titan Physical Power/Attack Titan Hardening/Armored Titan Durability+Power < Colossus Titan Physical Power and Durability

The Colossus Titan would just upscale from the stats of the Armored and Attack Titans, Bertolt even bit Reiner in half in the final battle and casually crushed him with one hand.

 

[Machmatej]

Dragon Ball and My Hero Academia immediately come to mind. The fact that we have a directly stated numerical value means it should be fine to use.

My Hero Academia has two multipliers that come to mind. One is a 60x multiplier from All Might's estimate that 300 of his mightiest blows would be equal to 5 in his prime. And the second one comes from Deku's quintuple recharge being able to store 5 Detroit smashes in one attack. Does similar logic apply to Hardening?

 

[Lilybitdun]

It feels more like an oversight on the manga artists tbh, because looking at literally every other time the Colossus Titan does this move it causes mass collateral damage. The explosion SHOULD have damaged the wall.

The original work of the author takes precedence. The guidebook is supplementary material made by another author, so if something from it is directly contradicted by the manga the guidebook statement can't be used

Dragon Ball and My Hero Academia immediately come to mind. The fact that we have a directly stated numerical value means it should be fine to use.

I'm not sure about Dragon Ball since there's a bunch of multipliers in that one you could be referring to but the MHA ones both come from direct statements about the character/technique. That example doesn't apply to Hardening

1/2 Colossus Titan Self Destruction = Attack Titan Durability < Attack Titan Physical Power/Attack Titan Hardening/Armored Titan Durability+Power < Colossus Titan Physical Power and Durability

The Colossus Titan would just upscale from the stats of the Armored and Attack Titans, Bertolt even bit Reiner in half in the final battle and casually crushed him with one hand.

There's a lot of problems about the premise of scaling Colossus' stats way above it converting half of it's biomass into an explosion.

1. The detonations of Colossal Titans have always been demonstrated to be way higher than their physicals
2. Colossal Titan's base stats would be upscaling off one of his stronger moves, that's by definition circular scaling
3. Like I've said many times before the whole premise about this explosion scaling to 3.2 kilotons and the Attack Titan's durability scaling to the full yield is flawed

 

[WeeklyBattles]

My Hero Academia has two multipliers that come to mind. One is a 60x multiplier from All Might's estimate that 300 of his mightiest blows would be equal to 5 in his prime. And the second one comes from Deku's quintuple recharge being able to store 5 Detroit smashes in one attack. Does similar logic apply to Hardening?

Its more along the lines of the Cowling percentages + Iron Soles. Eren is able to throw punches with 100% power but doing so destroys his own limbs, and then his Hardening lets him increase his durability to the point of being able to use that 100% power without his limbs being destroyed, which is the multiplier in question.

The guidebook then provides a numerical gap between the power of Eren's punches and the durability (lackthereof) of his limbs and body, which Hardening negates, ergo providing a durability multiplier.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The original work of the author takes precedence. The guidebook is supplementary material made by another author, so if something from it is directly contradicted by the manga the guidebook statement can't be used

Again, I feel like this would be an instance of the author not doing the math. From all the other calcs of explosions blowing holes in the walls, that blast should have taken a chunk out of the wall. The fact that even without the tier 7 self-destruct calc it still left an 8-B crater would have at the very least cracked the wall just from how powerful the blast was at that proximity.

I'm not sure about Dragon Ball since there's a bunch of multipliers in that one you could be referring to but the MHA ones both come from direct statements about the character/technique. That example doesn't apply to Hardening

Like I mentioned above, its more comparable to Cowling and Iron Soles.

There's a lot of problems about the premise of scaling Colossus' stats way above it converting half of it's biomass into an explosion.

1. The detonations of Colossal Titans have always been demonstrated to be way higher than their physicals
2. Colossal Titan's base stats would be upscaling off one of his stronger moves, that's by definition circular scaling
3. Like I've said many times before the whole premise about this explosion scaling to 3.2 kilotons and the Attack Titan's durability scaling to the full yield is flawed

They...havent though. Every other Titan in the verse has physicals that are above the yield of their transformation, why would the Colossal be any different? Especially when its stated to be the second most physically powerful Titan other than the Founder? Even the calc thats being evaluated atm would be above the yield of the self-destruct. It wouldnt be circular scaling to have the Colossus Titan at full strength be stronger than its half-formed body blowing itself up, that would just be basic scaling.

 

[Doggo]

They...havent though. Every other Titan in the verse has physicals that are above the yield of their transformation, why would the Colossal be any different? Especially when its stated to be the second most physically powerful Titan other than the Founder? Even the calc thats being evaluated atm would be above the yield of the self-destruct. It wouldnt be circular scaling to have the Colossus Titan at full strength be stronger than its half-formed body blowing itself up, that would just be basic scaling.

If you are talking about Colossal Titan's scaling to their transformation explosion, I highly disagree



Here is Armin one-shotting Berthdolt's Collosal and Eren's Founder in a very plot relevant scene

 

[Lilybitdun]

Its more along the lines of the Cowling percentages + Iron Soles. Eren is able to throw punches with 100% power but doing so destroys his own limbs, and then his Hardening lets him increase his durability to the point of being able to use that 100% power without his limbs being destroyed, which is the multiplier in question.

The guidebook then provides a numerical gap between the power of Eren's punches and the durability (lackthereof) of his limbs and body, which Hardening negates, ergo providing a durability multiplier.

The cowling percentages aren't even used as multpliers in the verse tho. Final War Arc Deku's Full Cowling is scaled to 42.37 petatons and his 100% is scaled to 2.54 exatons, that's only a roughly 60x increase. If it was following the percentages 100% would scale to 4.237 exatons, but instead it uses the prime all might to current all might multiplier. The durability increase of the Hardening can be above 81x; and like I brought up with the circular scaling it kinda has to be.

Again, I feel like this would be an instance of the author not doing the math. From all the other calcs of explosions blowing holes in the walls, that blast should have taken a chunk out of the wall. The fact that even without the tier 7 self-destruct calc it still left an 8-B crater would have at the very least cracked the wall just from how powerful the blast was at that proximity.

It's not even the fact the author didn't do math. It's the fact the guidebook states in the same paragraph of the 8.2 kiloton explosion that it would do severe damage to the wall, by the guidebooks same logic the Colossal Titan's explosion in that scene couldn't have been that powerful

They...havent though. Every other Titan in the verse has physicals that are above the yield of their transformation, why would the Colossal be any different? Especially when its stated to be the second most physically powerful Titan other than the Founder? Even the calc thats being evaluated atm would be above the yield of the self-destruct. It wouldnt be circular scaling to have the Colossus Titan at full strength be stronger than its half-formed body blowing itself up, that would just be basic scaling.

Look at the scene Doggo just sent. Colossal Titan's transformation are the exception by the obvious fact they make much bigger explosions and Armin's transformation shown to oneshot Bertolt's Titan that scales to Armin's Titan. I believe this is fallacy of accident as well

 

[Lilybitdun]

After waking up I realized Thunderspears can be scaled to the Colossal Titan's durability from both Hange's using them to oneshot Colossals and Mikasa's busting open Eren's tooth. I'll be adding that and the lifting strength chart to the proposal. I'm waiting for the final evaluation of Bertolt throwing Reiner feat before I update the sandbox

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Its the same weapon though

Even with the same weapon, it doesn't mean that the AP will always be the same, since it's a sword, the user's strength will have a part to play.

Them cutting the chunks of Rod's Titan aren't swallow cuts though, they are slicing straight through flesh chunks the size of themselves

Characters cutting chunks of Rod's Titan's flesh

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Also like how Weekly mentioned Levi and Mikasa are using the same weapon

Compared to the size of Rod's Titan, this flesh might be nothing more than scraps of skin.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Looking at Levi’s and Mikasa’s cuts, it’s clear that they can sever a Titan Shifter's limbs entirely, and as far as I can remember, no one else has ever done that.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Even with the same weapon, it doesn't mean that the AP will always be the same, since it's a sword, the user's strength will have a part to play.

Even with the same weapon, it doesn't mean that the AP will always be the same, since it's a sword, the user's strength will have a part to play.

Compared to the size of Rod's Titan, this flesh might be nothing more than scraps of skin.

What exactly is your definition of a swallow cut here? Hange is cutting off entire chunks of Colossal Titans.
Saying the chunks are nothing more than scraps of skin is just wrong, they are sizable pieces of the titan

Looking at Levi’s and Mikasa’s cuts, it’s clear that they can sever a Titan Shifter's limbs entirely, and as far as I can remember, no one else has ever done that.

Good for them. Still doesn't change the fact survey corp members are shown to cut through the Colossal Titan and chunks of Rod's Titan. https://imgur.com/gallery/characters-cutting-chunks-of-rods-titans-flesh-0o5bmpI
All your proving is that Mikasa and Levi are physically stronger than the survery corp members, which is already apparent and accepted.
Arguing against pre-established scaling of ODM blades = Colossal Titan's durability is just derailing the thread

 

[Raiden38]

I don't like the current ap & speed scaling for AoT so I plan on trying to fix it. This is my first CRT, I'm still pretty new to this so sorry if there's any mistakes ahead of time

Downgrades​

• Colossal Titan's Physicals

Edit: Was originally a downgrade but due to changes it's an upgrade
Currently the Colossal Titan is given City Block AP based off it's transformation. This is completely wrong since the Colossal Titans' transformation explosion is far more powerful than it's physical stats, this is like scaling Armin's Colossal Titan form off his Large Town and Large Town+ transformations. The Colossal Titan should instead be scaled to Building+, City Block via transforming, At most Small Town via Instant Form Dissipation Multi-City Block level+, Small Town via transforming (Far stronger than his physicals), At most Town level via Instant Form Dissipation. His AP does not scale to his durability, his durability should scale to Building+ from this feat. Armin's and Eren's Colossal Titans scales to Bertolt's AP with them being comparable to their AP, with Bertolt's scaling to Armin's durabilty.
Should be fine to upscale due to there being less than a 1.1x gap to baseline Small Town. Both Rod's Titan and Eren's Founding Titan are upscaled to 1 kiloton via being far bigger than the Colossal Titan. Eren's Post Founding Titan's Hardening is also upscaled to 1 kiloton for being far stronger than his own AP.

• Cart Titans' Speed

Currently the Cart Titan is scaled to Levi via "rescuing Zeke before Levi could react" with a chainscale off the Jaw Titan being the fastest of the Nine Titans and Eren reacting to Porco. This feat of the Cart Titan is completely invalid since Levi does in fact react to her. The feat of Levi intercepting the Jaw Titan mid-bite contradicts this as well.

• Levi's Speed

Currently this calc is used for Levi's speed but the feat is invalid since it's aim dodging. He's shown reacting to Kenny's squad before they fire. There's also the fact he uses the ODM gear to dodge at nearly Mach 2, which doesn't line up with the fact the ODM gear has a canon Subsonic speed. Additionally the anime version of the scene shows him firing off his ODM hooks into the ground before shots are fired. Levi should instead be scaling to At least Supersonic for his various blitz showings against the Nine Titans already listed on his profile

Upgrades​

• Ackerman Speed

Mikasa's profile literally notes how she's "superhuman in every aspect, including speed" but for some reason is only given Peak Human instead of Superhuman lol. This effects Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man

• ODM Blade & Thunder Spear AP

Rod Reiss' Abnormal Titan form is currently scaled to City Block+ in both AP & Durability for this feat, after he's exploded it's shown that the ODM blades are able to cut right through chunks of flesh of it, including the nape. Rod's Titan also has a possibly Multi-City Block rating as well so that would be included. The durability of a titan's body doesn't change if it's disconnected from the main body or not.
The blades are also capable of cutting off chunks of the Colossal Titan, shown here, whose durability should be Multi-City Block level+
Scaling Chain: Rod Reiss Durabilty / Colossal Titan's =ODM blade<Armored Titan<Attack Titan Hardening & Thunderspears<War Hammer's Crystalization<Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws
Bertolt's Colossal Titan was shown biting through the armored titan's neck so it's bite would scale above it's regular ap like we do with the Pure Titans
The thunder spears are shown to oneshot Colossal Titans when hitting their nape & damaging their legs.
And blow up teeth of Eren's Colossal Titan.
The War Hammer's and Annie's Crystalization scale above the Thunderspear with the Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws capable to damaging War Hammer's Crystalization.

• Pure Titan Lifting Strength

Supporting evidence of 4m titans being Class 1, 15m titans are already scaled to Class M so it doesn't effect much. Bite force being comparable to body weight could upgrade the Eren's Founding Titan's lifting strength if his mass is calculated. The Colossal Titan was capable of launching a 55 ton 15m titan with a casual kick which could upgrade the Colossal Titan's lifting strength.

• Human to Titan Multiplier

Now I expect this to be the most controversial part of this, there are canonical multipliers for 15m Titans and the Attack Titan as brought up in this thread. But I'm not gonna do some complicated square cube law upscale, I'm just going to use the multipliers directly stated in the book.

Scaling:
15m Titan: 729x stronger than a human
15m Titans currently scale to 0.096 tons
Humans: 0.096/729=0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
Attack Titan: 6561x stronger than a human
Attack Titan's AP: 550979.4121600001*6561= 3614975923.18j / 0.8639999816395794 tons (Building)
Here's a more in-detail version to help explain it better
"As we've seen so far, a 15-meter Titan Eren would be 729 times stronger than a human. At nine times a human's height, his fist would also travel nine times the distance during a punch. In that case, power times distance, or the energy in his punch, would be 729*9, or 6,561 times the energy of a human punch!"
His punch is 9x a 15m Titan's AP (Hence them doing 729*9), and its 6561x a human's punch
Attack Titan AP: 0.096*9= 0.864 tons (Building)
Human AP: 0.864/6561= 0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
"Meanwhile, a Titan body is only 81 times more durable than a human body, so what would happen to a 15-meter class Titan getting punched by Eren's Titan is clear as day. Eren would deal 81 times the damage a human punch would deal to another human! Now that's a strong punch!"
See how it says what would happen to a 15m titan when hit by this punch, not what would happen to the Attack Titan. It's not saying Eren's punch is 81x his AP, it's saying his AP is 81x a 15m Titan's Durability
A 15m titan's body is only 81 times stronger than a human
AP to Durability difference: 729/81= 9x
15m Titan AP: 0.00013168724*729= 0.09599999796 tons = 0.096 tons (Small Building)
15m Titan Durability: 0.096/9= 0.01066666666 tons (Small Building)
Rechecking to prove the math is right
Attack Titan AP: 0.01066666666*81= 0.864 tons (Building)
"Eren's fist would also receive nearly 81 times the damage a human fist takes when punching another human. Even boxers wearing gloves to protect their fists can fracture their bones with their own punches. So a full strength, bare fisted punch from a giant monster at 81 times the power..."
"The reason their heads go flying and their hands are destroyed from a punch is because the energy coming from a full 15 meter Titan's full strength punch is unimaginably powerful."
Attack Titan's AP is 81x it's durability:
Attack Titan's Durability: At least 0.69 tons
Attack Titan's AP: 0.69*81= 55.89 tons (City Block+)
Human AP: 55.89/6561= 0.00851851851 tons (Small Building)
This would make even the smallest of Pure Titans at least Small Building level
15m Titan AP: 0.00851851851*729= 6.20999999379 = 6.21 tons (Large Building)
15m Titan Durability: 6.20999999379/81= 0.07666666659 tons (Small Building)
Most Titans Shifters scale to City Block+ while the weaker ones upscales Large Building
Now considering how high these multipliers are it might be a hard-sell but let me make my case

Reliability & Consistency​

The Science of Attack on Titan book is already the source used for the ODM speed, the lifting strength to withstand ODM, and the durability to survive impacts while using the ODM; including Reiner.
The current AoT human is scaling to 0.324380mJ with Reiner having a durability feat of 0.4845475mJ. Both of these feats are them just merely being able to land with the ODM gear, it should be fine for their durability scale higher than this. The durability for humans via the 15m Titan multiplier is only ~1.7x higher than the former and ~1.137x higher than the latter.
Even the smallest Pure Titans are stronger than soldiers w/o ODM gear and are capable of tearing people apart and one-shotting them. For example, neither Carla's or Eren's punches did nothing to the Smiling Titan. A 15m Titan is far stronger than regular pure titans and the first thing Eren does as the Attack Titan is oneshot them. The Attack Titan AP's is already scaled far above his 0.69 tons durability and this new scaling still puts him below the Colossal Titan. The Nine Titans have shown to be vastly superior to both humans and the strongest of Pure Titans; this is excluding Abnormal Titans like Rod Reiss.

Here's the sandbox with the proposed changes: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Lilybitdun/Sandbox
Changes:

1. Gave Superhuman to Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man
2. Downgraded Levi and Kenny's ap in accordance to this accepted thread that has 3staffapprovals that hasn't been added to the profiles yet.
3. Upgraded Our Man's durability to at least Wall level due to comparability to Mikasa and surviving an explosion that killed several of his companions
4. Added durability to Kenny's guns for being able to deflect an ODM blade
5. Made the durability of Bertolt's and Armin's Titan Forms Building+
6. Added reaction feat of Pieck reacting to the Past Jaw Titans to her profile
7. Added a likely durability rating for Falco's Jaw Titan's Armored Face due to it likely scaling to Porco's
8. Upgraded Karl Fritz and Ymir Fritz creations feats to at least Large Town+ level due to the rating coming from it upscaling from the Colossal Titan's transformation AP.
9. Added durability explanation to 15 meter Titans
10. Added new AP justifications for Bertolt's Colossal Titan

Every character in the verse is effected by this revision.

Colossal Titan's Physicals Upgrade​

Agree: Shadow_x007x
Disagree:
Neutral:

Cart Titan's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x
Disagree:
Neutral:

Levi's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x
Disagree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Ackerman Superhuman Speed Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x
Disagree:
Neutral:

ODM Blade AP Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree: Raiden38, Shadow_x007x (Disagrees with current premise of scaling the blades to titan durability due to surface area)
Neutral:

Titan Lifting Strength​

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Human to Titan Multiplier​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, , Shadow_x007x
Disagree:
Neutral:

Let's all have a civil discussion

For now, from what I understand about the new proposal, I'm neutral. I'll see better when I have more time and more concentration I'll try to clarify my position regarding the OP's additions.

 

[Lilybitdun]

For now, from what I understand about the new proposal, I'm neutral. I'll see better when I have more time and more concentration I'll try to clarify my position regarding the OP's additions.

Neutral about everything or the ODM blade proposal?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If you are talking about Colossal Titan's scaling to their transformation explosion, I highly disagree



Here is Armin one-shotting Berthdolt's Collosal and Eren's Founder in a very plot relevant scene

Im not. Im talking about the Colossus Titan scaling to the feats they have performed physically. Those feats just happen to be above the yield of their transformations.

 

[Raiden38]

Neutral about everything or the ODM blade proposal?

I still disagree with the ODM Blade proposal and I'm pretty neutral with the colossal titan's physical upgrade otherwise I'm neutral tending to agree with the titan lifting force proposal
when I have more time and concentration I will try to clarify my position better and see if I change my opinion for now I'll stay like this

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I still disagree with the ODM Blade proposal and I'm pretty neutral with the colossal titan's physical upgrade otherwise I'm neutral tending to agree with the titan lifting force proposal
when I have more time and concentration I will try to clarify my position better and see if I change my opinion for now I'll stay like this

Will point out again, there is literally a calc that is the basis of the colossus titan's AP upgrade

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Manhattanth06]

I have additional calculations of Kenny's speed.

Kenny blocks bullet
Feat:

Scan 1:
1218px → 190 cm
426px → 66.4532019704 cm
162px → 25.2709359606 cm

Scan 2:
162px → 1.47 cm (Springfield Model 1861)
72px → 0.65333333333 cm


Timeframe
The rifle being used is likely the Springfield Model 1861.
Bullet caliber: .58 (14.7320 mm)
Muzzle velocity: 300–430 m/s — I’ll use the speed of sound 343 m/s for calculation.

Distance traveled by the bullet during Kenny’s reaction: 0.65 cm | 0.0065 m

T = 0.0065/343 = 0.00001895043 s

Movement
Kenny moves his arm roughly 180° | 3.14159265 rad.
Arm length = 66.45 cm | 0.6645 m

Movement distance = 3.14159265/0.6645 = 2.08758831593m


Speed calculation

Speed= 2.08758831593/0.00001895043 = 110160.472133 m/s

That’s Mach 321 — massively hypersonic (Math seems correct lol).

 

[Lilybitdun]

literally all your scans and links are not embedding lol @Manhattanth06

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I have additional calculations of Kenny's speed.

Kenny blocks bullet
Feat:

Scan 1:
1218px → 190 cm
426px → 66.4532019704 cm
162px → 25.2709359606 cm

Scan 2:
162px → 1.47 cm (Springfield Model 1861)
72px → 0.65333333333 cm


Timeframe
The rifle being used is likely the Springfield Model 1861.
Bullet caliber: .58 (14.7320 mm)
Muzzle velocity: 300–430 m/s — I’ll use the speed of sound 343 m/s for calculation.

Distance traveled by the bullet during Kenny’s reaction: 0.65 cm | 0.0065 m

T = 0.0065/343 = 0.00001895043 s

Movement
Kenny moves his arm roughly 180° | 3.14159265 rad.
Arm length = 66.45 cm | 0.6645 m

Movement distance = 3.14159265/0.6645 = 2.08758831593m


Speed calculation

Speed= 2.08758831593/0.00001895043 = 110160.472133 m/s

That’s Mach 321 — massively hypersonic (Math seems correct lol).

True!

In all seriousness I'll check this when I get home, something seems wonky

 

[Lilybitdun]

I would prefer if the calc stuff is done in a blog so we don't clog up the thread

 

[Manhattanth06]

literally all your scans and links are not embedding lol @Manhattanth06

I have made the correction and tried again, I am not sure if it worked.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I would prefer if the calc stuff is done in a blog so we don't clog up the thread

If I'm being honest, it might be beat to use this thread as a discussion and then make a new crt once we have everything squared away. Stuff has changed multiple times since this thread started so it might be hard for people to get an accurate read on things

 

[Lilybitdun]

If I'm being honest, it might be beat to use this thread as a discussion and then make a new crt once we have everything squared away. Stuff has changed multiple times since this thread started so it might be hard for people to get an accurate read on things

There's a reason I've been tracking everything in the starting thread message. All we're waiting for currently is final evaluation of the Bertolt calc, as the Colossal Titan effects the majority of the proposals I've given. Everything else can be done in another thread considering the amount of proposals already
The AOT general discussion thread can be used for discussion https://vsbattles.com/threads/attack-on-titan-discussion-thread.83282/

 

[Lilybitdun]

There's an accepted calculation that gives Mikasa superhuman speed so I'll be adding that to the Superhuman ackermann proposal https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Vzearr/Mikasa_Moves_Fast

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Will respond in a bit but just wanted to let yall know the calc was accepted at Low 7-C+, so Small Town level+ physical power for the Colossus Titan

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright, I'll update the proposal and the sandbox. I likely won't be able to respond for a while after since some family stuff happened.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright, I'll update the proposal and the sandbox. I likely won't be able to respond for a while after since some family stuff happened.

Both are updated now

 

[Doggo]

Upon reviewing the sandbox, I have the following thoughts:

1. Hardening should baseline 7-C via massively upscaling from Reiner's durability (Porco's claws upscale even higher)
2. Bertolt's explosion should scale to Armin's high 7-C blasts, since nothing indicates the latter's Colossal is different from Bertolt's
3. Armin should have hardening on his profile

 

[Lilybitdun]

Upon reviewing the sandbox, I have the following thoughts:

1. Hardening should baseline 7-C via massively upscaling from Reiner's durability (Porco's claws upscale even higher)
2. Bertolt's explosion should scale to Armin's high 7-C blasts, since nothing indicates the latter's Colossal is different from Bertolt's
3. Armin should have hardening on his profile

1. I'm not entirely sure if Hardening upscales enough to cross the 1.4x gap so I had only applied to Warhammer Titan's Crystalization and the Jaw Titan's Claws & Jaws. If a staff member clarifies if it's fine to upscale (since the upscaling rules are verse independent and rely a lot on context) then I'd be fine with including it. Also Porco's Claws already upscales to baseline 7-C
2. Disagree, the guidebook has the explosion of converting his entire biomass as only 7-C
3. Disagree, Armin hasn't been shown using Hardening.

 

[Doggo]

1. I'm not entirely sure if Hardening upscales enough to cross the 1.4x gap so I had only applied to Warhammer Titan's Crystalization and the Jaw Titan's Claws & Jaws. If a staff member clarifies if it's fine to upscale (since the upscaling rules are verse independent and rely a lot on context) then I'd be fine with including it. Also Porco's Claws already upscales to baseline 7-C
2. Disagree, the guidebook has the explosion of converting his entire biomass as only 7-C
3. Disagree, Armin hasn't been shown using Hardening.

1. cool
2. Wdym by "converting his entire bodymass?"
3. Hold on, I might be misrembering

 

[Lilybitdun]

2. Wdym by "converting his entire bodymass?"

"If all that mass was converted into gas, it would produce(...)the equivalent of 8200 tons of gunpowder (8.2 kilotons)"

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alrighty, sorry for taking so long:

The cowling percentages aren't even used as multpliers in the verse tho. Final War Arc Deku's Full Cowling is scaled to 42.37 petatons and his 100% is scaled to 2.54 exatons, that's only a roughly 60x increase. If it was following the percentages 100% would scale to 4.237 exatons, but instead it uses the prime all might to current all might multiplier. The durability increase of the Hardening can be above 81x; and like I brought up with the circular scaling it kinda has to be.

Why would the durability increase be above 81x? And like i said above, the scaling isnt circular, its linear.

It's not even the fact the author didn't do math. It's the fact the guidebook states in the same paragraph of the 8.2 kiloton explosion that it would do severe damage to the wall, by the guidebooks same logic the Colossal Titan's explosion in that scene couldn't have been that powerful

What I mean is that even if we disregard the guidebook's calc and just use the 8-B calc for the explosion, the wall should have still had SOME damage. It literally went off feet away from it and cratered the ground yet there wasnt even a scratch on the wall. This wasnt even one of the three main walls that only took building level power to punch through, this was a small outer wall. The blast should have logically damaged the wall, the author likely just didnt take into consideration how powerful that blast would have actually been.

Look at the scene Doggo just sent. Colossal Titan's transformation are the exception by the obvious fact they make much bigger explosions and Armin's transformation shown to oneshot Bertolt's Titan that scales to Armin's Titan. I believe this is fallacy of accident as well

With the 7-C feat accepted this point is moot.

 

[Doggo]

"If all that mass was converted into gas, it would produce(...)the equivalent of 8200 tons of gunpowder (8.2 kilotons)"

....that is different from the transformation explosion, which is a lot more visually impressive than what the Colossal did here. Those are 2 separate abilities and should not be the basis for Bertolt not scaling to the same thing Armin scales to. One is self-destruction, the other is transformation

With the 7-C feat accepted this point is moot.

Are you talking about Bertolt yeeting Reiner?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

....that is different from the transformation explosion, which is a lot more visually impressive than what the Colossal did here. Those are 2 separate abilities and should not be the basis for Bertolt not scaling to the same thing Armin scales to. One is self-destruction, the other is transformation



Are you talking about Bertolt yeeting Reiner?

Ye, it was accepted a few days ago

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Doggo]

Ye, it was accepted a few days ago

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

vsbattles.fandom.com

I remember this being High 7-C lol, but low 7-C is way more consistent. This feat works