Attack On Titan Massive AP & Speed Revision

[Lilybitdun]

I don't like the current ap & speed scaling for AoT so I plan on trying to fix it. This is my first CRT, I'm still pretty new to this so sorry if there's any mistakes ahead of time

Downgrades​

• Colossal Titan's Physicals

Edit: Was originally a downgrade but due to changes it's an upgrade
Currently the Colossal Titan is given City Block AP based off it's transformation. This is completely wrong since the Colossal Titans' transformation explosion is far more powerful than it's physical stats, this is like scaling Armin's Colossal Titan form off his Large Town and Large Town+ transformations. The Colossal Titan should instead be scaled to Small Town level At least City Block level+ (Stronger than the Attack Titan from pure size and superior to it's durability which tanked a hit from the Armored Titan), higher far higher, possibly Multi-City Block with Teeth (Bit through the Armored Titan's head), far higher via transforming (Far stronger than his physicals), At most Town level via Instant Form Dissipation. Armin's and Eren's Colossal Titans scales to Bertolt's AP with them being comparable to their AP, with Bertolt's scaling to Armin's durabilty.
There is a 1.42x gap to baseline Small Town, I'm iffy on saying there's enough to argue Eren's Hardening or the size of Rod's & Eren's Founding Titan to cross that gap so I won't include that for now.

• Cart Titans' Speed

Currently the Cart Titan is scaled to Levi via "rescuing Zeke before Levi could react" with a chainscale off the Jaw Titan being the fastest of the Nine Titans and Eren reacting to Porco. This feat of the Cart Titan is completely invalid since Levi does in fact react to her. The feat of Levi intercepting the Jaw Titan mid-bite contradicts this as well.

• Levi's Speed

Currently this calc is used for Levi's speed but the feat is invalid since it's aim dodging. He's shown reacting to Kenny's squad before they fire. There's also the fact he uses the ODM gear to dodge at nearly Mach 2, which doesn't line up with the fact the ODM gear has a canon Subsonic speed. Additionally the anime version of the scene shows him firing off his ODM hooks into the ground before shots are fired. Levi should instead be scaling to At least Supersonic for his various blitz showings against the Nine Titans already listed on his profile

Upgrades​

• Ackerman Speed

Mikasa's profile literally notes how she's "superhuman in every aspect, including speed" but for some reason is only given Peak Human instead of Superhuman lol. This effects Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man
There's this accepted calc that puts Mikasa's speed at 12.49 m/s, slightly above baseline Superhuman

• ODM Blade & Thunder Spear AP

Rod Reiss' Abnormal Titan form is currently scaled to City Block+ in both AP & Durability for this feat, after he's exploded it's shown that the ODM blades are able to cut right through chunks of flesh of it, including the nape. Rod's Titan also has a possibly Multi-City Block rating as well so that would be included. The durability of a titan's body doesn't change if it's disconnected from the main body or not.

The blades are also capable of cutting off chunks of the Colossal Titan, shown here, whose durability should be Small Town level who can tank a hit from the Armored Titan which supports 8-B+ rating

ODM blades are made of Ultrahard Steel which is explicitly stated to be the only material capable of slicing through Titan flesh


In Before The Fall (which is accepted as canon here) Survey Corp members used weapons made of iron bamboo, the inferior precursor to ultrahard steel, with is capable of cutting through Ogre's, a 15m Pure Titan, bone

Iron bamboo

Iron bamboo (黒金竹 Kurogane Take?) is a substance once used to craft military weapons and equipment such as the disposable blades of the vertical maneuvering equipment. During later years, it would be slowly phased out and eventually replaced by ultrahard steel.[1]

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Iron bamboo (Before the Fall Manga)

Iron bamboo (黒金竹 Kurogane Take?) is a substance once used to craft military weapons and equipment such as the disposable blades of the vertical maneuvering equipment. During later years, it would be slowly phased out[1] and eventually replaced by ultrahard steel.[citation needed] While the exact...

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Scaling Chain: Rod Reiss Durability / Colossal Titan's = ODM blade (Can cut both of them) <Armored Titan's Durability (Blades do nothing to him)<Attack Titan Hardening & Thunderspears (Can shatter Armored Titan's Armor)<War Hammer's Crystallization (Impervious to thunder spears)< Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws
Bertolt's Colossal Titan was shown biting through the armored titan's neck so it's bite would scale above it's regular ap like we do with the Pure Titans
The thunder spears are shown to oneshot Colossal Titans when hitting their nape & can damage their legs.
And blow up teeth of Eren's Colossal Titan.
The War Hammer's and Annie's Crystalization scale above the Thunderspear with the Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws capable to damaging War Hammer's Crystalization.
Both the Crystalization and the Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws should upscale high enough above 2.36 kilotons to cross that ~1.44x gap to Small Town level+.
This is the scaling chain values:
Rod Reiss' Titan Durability / ODM Blade AP: City Block+, possibly Multi-City Block
Armored Titan's Armor: At least City Block+, possibly at least Multi-City Block
Attack Titan Hardening AP & Durability / Thunderspears AP: At least City Block+, possibly at least Multi-City Block
War Hammer & Female Titan's Crystallization: At least City Block+, likely higher, possibly at least Multi-City Block
Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws: At least City Block+, likely higher, possibly at least Multi-City Block

• Pure Titan Lifting Strength

Supporting evidence of 4m titans being Class 1, 15m titans are already scaled to Class M so it doesn't effect much. Bite force being comparable to body weight could upgrade the Eren's Founding Titan's lifting strength if his mass is calculated. The Colossal Titan was capable of launching a 55 ton 15m titan with a casual kick which could upgrade the Colossal Titan's lifting strength if calculated.
I'm not doing any lifting strength revisions currently, this is just to approve this chart for a later CRT

• Human to Titan Multiplier

Now I expect this to be the most controversial part of this, there are canonical multipliers for 15m Titans and the Attack Titan as brought up in this thread. But I'm not gonna do some complicated square cube law upscale, I'm just going to use the multipliers directly stated in the book.

Scaling:
15m Titan: 729x stronger than a human
15m Titans currently scale to 0.096 tons
Humans: 0.096/729=0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
Attack Titan: 6561x stronger than a human
Attack Titan's AP: 550979.4121600001*6561= 3614975923.18j / 0.8639999816395794 tons (Building)
Here's a more in-detail version to help explain it better
"As we've seen so far, a 15-meter Titan Eren would be 729 times stronger than a human. At nine times a human's height, his fist would also travel nine times the distance during a punch. In that case, power times distance, or the energy in his punch, would be 729*9, or 6,561 times the energy of a human punch!"
His punch is 9x a 15m Titan's AP (Hence them doing 729*9), and its 6561x a human's punch
Attack Titan AP: 0.096*9= 0.864 tons (Building)
Human AP: 0.864/6561= 0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
"Meanwhile, a Titan body is only 81 times more durable than a human body, so what would happen to a 15-meter class Titan getting punched by Eren's Titan is clear as day. Eren would deal 81 times the damage a human punch would deal to another human! Now that's a strong punch!"
See how it says what would happen to a 15m titan when hit by this punch, not what would happen to the Attack Titan. It's not saying Eren's punch is 81x his AP, it's saying his AP is 81x a 15m Titan's Durability
A 15m titan's body is only 81 times stronger than a human
AP to Durability difference: 729/81= 9x
15m Titan AP: 0.00013168724*729= 0.09599999796 tons = 0.096 tons (Small Building)
15m Titan Durability: 0.096/9= 0.01066666666 tons (Small Building)
Rechecking to prove the math is right
Attack Titan AP: 0.01066666666*81= 0.864 tons (Building)
"Eren's fist would also receive nearly 81 times the damage a human fist takes when punching another human. Even boxers wearing gloves to protect their fists can fracture their bones with their own punches. So a full strength, bare fisted punch from a giant monster at 81 times the power..."
"The reason their heads go flying and their hands are destroyed from a punch is because the energy coming from a full 15 meter Titan's full strength punch is unimaginably powerful."
Attack Titan's AP is 81x it's durability:
Attack Titan's Durability: At least 0.69 tons
Attack Titan's AP: 0.69*81= 55.89 tons (City Block+)
Human AP: 55.89/6561= 0.00851851851 tons (Small Building)
This would make even the smallest of Pure Titans at least Small Building level
15m Titan AP: 0.00851851851*729= 6.20999999379 = 6.21 tons (Large Building)
15m Titan Durability: 6.20999999379/81= 0.07666666659 tons (Small Building)
Most Titans Shifters scale to City Block+ while the weaker ones upscales Large Building
Now considering how high these multipliers are it might be a hard-sell but let me make my case

Reliability & Consistency​

The Science of Attack on Titan book is already the source used for the ODM speed, the lifting strength to withstand ODM, and the durability to survive impacts while using the ODM; including Reiner.
The current AoT human is scaling to 0.324380mJ with Reiner having a durability feat of 0.4845475mJ. Both of these feats are them just merely being able to land with the ODM gear, it should be fine for their durability scale higher than this. The durability for humans via the 15m Titan multiplier is only ~1.7x higher than the former and ~1.137x higher than the latter.
Even the smallest Pure Titans are stronger than soldiers w/o ODM gear and are capable of tearing people apart and one-shotting them. For example, both Carla's & Eren's punches did nothing to the Smiling Titan. A 15m Titan is far stronger than regular pure titans and the first thing Eren does as the Attack Titan is oneshot them. The Attack Titan AP's is already scaled far above his 0.69 tons durability and this new scaling still puts him below the Colossal Titan. The Nine Titans have shown to be vastly superior to both humans and the strongest of Pure Titans; this is excluding Abnormal Titans like Rod Reiss.

Here's the sandbox with the proposed changes: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Lilybitdun/Sandbox
Changes:

1. Gave Superhuman to Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man
2. Added accepted Superhuman speed calc to Mikasa
3. Downgraded Levi and Kenny's ap in accordance to this accepted thread that has 3 staff approvals that hasn't been added to the profiles yet.
4. Upgraded Our Man's durability to at least Small Building level due to comparability to Mikasa and surviving an explosion that killed several of his companions
5. Added durability to Kenny's guns for being able to deflect an ODM blade
6. Made the durability of Bertolt's and Armin's Titan Forms Building+
7. Added reaction feat of Pieck reacting to the Past Jaw Titans to her profile
8. Added durability rating for Falco's Jaw Titan's Armored Face due to it scaling to Porco's
9. Upgraded Karl Fritz and Ymir Fritz creations feats to at least Large Town+ level due to the rating coming from it upscaling from the Colossal Titan's transformation AP.
10. Added durability value to 15 meter Titans
11. Added new AP justifications for Bertolt's Colossal Titan
12. Added guidebook stats to AP justifications to Mikasa and Levi
13. Added an injured Levi clashing with a past Jaw Titan to his speed justifications

Every character in the verse is effected by this revision.

Colossal Titan's Physicals Upgrade​

Agree: Shadow_x007x, Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, FinePoint
Disagree: Huzy (Disagrees with current calc)
Neutral: Raiden38

Cart Titan's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x, Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, Huzy, FinePoint
Disagree:
Neutral:

Levi's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x, Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, Huzy, FinePoint
Disagree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Ackerman Superhuman Speed Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, WeeklyBattles, Shadow_x007x, Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, Huzy, FinePoint
Disagree:
Neutral:

ODM Blade AP Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Godernet
Disagree: Raiden38, Shadow_x007x (Disagrees with current premise of scaling the blades to titan durability due to Surface Area), Damage3245 (Disagrees due to Surface Area), Huzy
Neutral: Machmatej, Nierre, FinePoint

Titan Lifting Strength​

Agree: Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, FinePoint
Disagree: Huzy
Neutral: Raiden38 (Leaning to Agree)

Human to Titan Multiplier​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente, Raiden38, Shadow_x007x, Machmatej, Nierre, Godernet, FinePoint
Disagree: Huzy
Neutral:

Let's all have a civil discussion

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Might want to hold off on this, I have a calc being evaluated that would bump Reiner back up to Town level

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

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[WeeklyBattles]

Also I have an upgrade thread planned that would bump almost every Shifter up to Town to Small City level

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh also, since you also seem to have the guidebook, do me a small favor and read page 62 please

 

[Lilybitdun]

Might want to hold off on this, I have a calc being evaluated that would bump Reiner back up to Town level

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

vsbattles.fandom.com

Also I have an upgrade thread planned that would bump almost every Shifter up to Town to Small City level

would've been nice if something like that was brought up on the AoT general discussion thread, I had assumed this verse wasn't touched in a long while due to the apparent inactivity

Oh also, since you also seem to have the guidebook, do me a small favor and read page 62 please

I don't have the guidebook, I just found imgur scans of pages. What's on Page 62?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

would've been nice if something like that was brought up on the AoT general discussion thread, I had assumed this verse wasn't touched in a long while due to the apparent inactivity

Didnt even know that was a thing, i just got back yesterday lol

I don't have the guidebook, I just found imgur scans of pages. What's on Page 62?

Oh, okay, well Page 62 has an exact calculation of the energy Bertolt generated when he had his half-formed colossus titan body fall on top of Eren and self-destruct, calced at 8.2 kilotons

Here is a link

 

[Lilybitdun]

Didnt even know that was a thing, i just got back yesterday lol

Fair enough lol

Oh, okay, well Page 62 has an exact calculation of the energy Bertolt generated when he had his half-formed colossus titan body fall on top of Eren and self-destruct, calced at 8.2 kilotons

Here is a link

Holy crap how was this never brought up before?? This guidebook has existed for 10 entire years

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Holy crap how was this never brought up before?? This guidebook has existed for 10 entire years

It was partially brought up, its the reason why Bertolt's Colossus Titan is Low 7-C atm, but I dont think anyone realized that this was explicitly talking about the time he fell directly onto Eren when using this, so it never got used lol

That plus the multipliers from the other thread you brought up, which were just never used at all

I would have done it myself but ive been gone for two years lol

 

[Lilybitdun]

Also I have an upgrade thread planned that would bump almost every Shifter up to Town to Small City level

May I ask how? it doesn't really seem like the Titan Shifters have base physicals at that level

 

[WeeklyBattles]

May I ask how? it doesn't really seem like the Titan Shifters have base physicals at that level

Through the feat I just posted and the pre-accepted multiplier thread. Eren was able to withstand an 8.2 kiloton (Technically 4.1 as it was half of the Colossus Titan' body) explosion near the start of the series before he had even obtained Hardening, and did so with minimal injuries (in the manga it did effectively nothing and they just used the explosion to pin Eren down long enough for Reiner to rip Eren out of the Attack Titan). Eren's Attack Titan's punches are strong enough to fully destroy his own limbs, which as stated in the guidebook puts the physical power o his strikes at 81x stronger than his physical durability, and then Hardening balances this out by making him durable enough to punch at full power without destroying his limbs, or an 81x durability amp. This is then increased even further after the timeskip where the Warhammer Titan is strong enough to cleave clean through Eren's Hardening like nothing, and then Eren absorbs becomes that powerful himself when he steals the Warhammer Titan's power.

4.1 x 81 = 332.1 kilotons, Large Town level

Small City level would just come from whether or not its agreed to use the same multiplier for the gap between Pre and Post Warhammer Eren

Here are some more scans from the guidebook for reference.

 

[Eficiente]

This thread seemed good to me, then I got into Weekly's comments and I like what he brings. So I'll say that much.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh and backing it up, Eren without Hardening tanked the blast that blew apart Rod Reiss' Titan form, which is 8-B+ to 8-A in durability

 

[Lilybitdun]

Through the feat I just posted and the pre-accepted multiplier thread. Eren was able to withstand an 8.2 kiloton (Technically 4.1 as it was half of the Colossus Titan' body) explosion near the start of the series before he had even obtained Hardening, and did so with minimal injuries (in the manga it did effectively nothing and they just used the explosion to pin Eren down long enough for Reiner to rip Eren out of the Attack Titan). Eren's Attack Titan's punches are strong enough to fully destroy his own limbs, which as stated in the guidebook puts the physical power o his strikes at 81x stronger than his physical durability, and then Hardening balances this out by making him durable enough to punch at full power without destroying his limbs, or an 81x durability amp. This is then increased even further after the timeskip where the Warhammer Titan is strong enough to cleave clean through Eren's Hardening like nothing, and then Eren absorbs becomes that powerful himself when he steals the Warhammer Titan's power.

4.1 x 81 = 332.1 kilotons, Large Town level

Small City level would just come from whether or not its agreed to use the same multiplier for the gap between Pre and Post Warhammer Eren

Here are some more scans from the guidebook for reference.

Okay I have a couple problems with this
The Guidebook states "Now this is bad! The Colossus fell less than a hundred meters (330 feet) from the wall. The explosion must have severely damaged it. What if Titans started streaming into Wall Rose from there?!"
When we see the result of Bertolt's explosion and the wall is completely intact

Which straight up contradicts what the guidebook says about what his 8.2 kiloton explosion would do to it. This should suggest it is actually referring to a full body mass explosion instead of the half formed Colossus in this scene. Also the body isn't completely evaporated like would it be needed to use the 8.2 kilotons either The anime very clearly shows the intact remains of the Colossal Titan too
I don't think they would scale to the full yield of the explosion either
"For one to scale to the full yield of an explosion, one of the three following conditions must be met:

1. The explosion happens inside the character's body
2. The explosion is fully covered by the character in some form (Like their hands or body covering the bomb or source of the explosion)
3. The character is face-hugging/bear-hugging the bomb/explosion source or standing/sitting/crouching right on top of it or directly adjacent to it and the bomb/explosion source happens to be smaller than them"

There's distance between the explosion and the Attack Titan & Armored Titan, you would have to use ISL
Also it seems dubious if the crater was made instantly or if it was overtime by the steam.

Oh and backing it up, Eren without Hardening tanked the blast that blew apart Rod Reiss' Titan form, which is 8-B+ to 8-A in durability

Same thing about the Attack Titan not tanking the full yield of the explosion, you would need to calc it
Even tho we see the barrels explode next to Eren's face in the anime scene, in the next moment it shows the explosions are contained within Rod Reiss' Titan body. That makes the epicenter the inside of the titan

 

[Lilybitdun]

I'm fine with waiting for the Bertolt calc to be evaluated so the Colossal Titan Physicals Downgrade and the ODM Blade AP Upgrade can be put on hold for now
I still think the rest of my proposals are valid

 

[Machmatej]

Through the feat I just posted and the pre-accepted multiplier thread. Eren was able to withstand an 8.2 kiloton (Technically 4.1 as it was half of the Colossus Titan' body) explosion near the start of the series before he had even obtained Hardening, and did so with minimal injuries (in the manga it did effectively nothing and they just used the explosion to pin Eren down long enough for Reiner to rip Eren out of the Attack Titan). Eren's Attack Titan's punches are strong enough to fully destroy his own limbs, which as stated in the guidebook puts the physical power o his strikes at 81x stronger than his physical durability, and then Hardening balances this out by making him durable enough to punch at full power without destroying his limbs, or an 81x durability amp. This is then increased even further after the timeskip where the Warhammer Titan is strong enough to cleave clean through Eren's Hardening like nothing, and then Eren absorbs becomes that powerful himself when he steals the Warhammer Titan's power.

4.1 x 81 = 332.1 kilotons, Large Town level

Small City level would just come from whether or not its agreed to use the same multiplier for the gap between Pre and Post Warhammer Eren

Here are some more scans from the guidebook for reference.

keep cooking

 

[Lilybitdun]

(...)Eren's Attack Titan's punches are strong enough to fully destroy his own limbs, which as stated in the guidebook puts the physical power o his strikes at 81x stronger than his physical durability, and then Hardening balances this out by making him durable enough to punch at full power without destroying his limbs, or an 81x durability amp(...)

"As we've seen so far, a 15-meter Titan Eren would be 729 times stronger than a human. At nine times a human's height, his fist would also travel nine times the distance during a punch. In that case, power times distance, or the energy in his punch, would be 729*9, or 6,561 times the energy of a human punch!"
His punch is 9x a 15m Titan's AP (Hence them doing 729*9), and its 6561x a human's punch
Attack Titan AP: 0.096*9= 0.864 tons (Building)
Human AP: 0.864/6561= 0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
"Meanwhile, a Titan body is only 81 times more durable than a human body, so what would happen to a 15-meter class Titan getting punched by Eren's Titan is clear as day. Eren would deal 81 times the damage a human punch would deal to another human! Now that's a strong punch!'
See how it says what would happen to a 15m titan when hit by this punch, not what would happen to the Attack Titan. It's not saying Eren's punch is 81x his AP, it's saying his AP is 81x a 15m Titan's Durability
A 15m titan's body is only 81 times stronger than a human
AP to Durability difference: 729/81= 9x
15m Titan AP: 0.00013168724*729= 0.09599999796 tons = 0.096 tons (Small Building)
15m Titan Durability: 0.096/9= 0.01066666666 tons (Small Building)
Rechecking to prove the math is right
Attack Titan AP: 0.01066666666*81= 0.864 tons (Building)
Saying the Attack Titan's AP is 81x it's own durability is wrong.

Also you can't assume a multiplier for Hardening
"Aside from such considerations, if it comes to techniques which divide the power of an opponents attacks by something or multiplies the strength of an allies attacks feats will be necessary, regarding what the strongest attacks are for which this works. The reason for that can be easily seen by example: Doubling the power of a 10 Tons of TNT attack requires just the addition of further 10 Tons of TNT. Doubling the power of a 100 Tons of TNT attack requires adding 100 Tons of TNT on the other hand. That means doing that for the 100 Tons of TNT attack requires a far more powerful technique."
Attack Titan Eren's Hardening being at least an 9x amp since he can use it to withstand his own attacks / block attacks from people comparable to him wouldn't mean Colossal Titan Eren's Hardening is also 9x it's physical stats. The multiplier is coming from comparison instead of direct statement, which doesn't work (For example, Sage Mode isn't granted a x10 amp of Naruto's physicals just for being a better form than CS2). Granting multipliers is quite strict

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sorry, will respond to everything in a bit

 

[Lilybitdun]

Take your time

 

[Raiden38]

I don't like the current ap & speed scaling for AoT so I plan on trying to fix it. This is my first CRT, I'm still pretty new to this so sorry if there's any mistakes ahead of time

Downgrades​

• Colossal Titan's Physicals

Currently the Colossal Titan is given City Block AP based off it's transformation. This is completely wrong since the Colossal Titans' transformation explosion is far more powerful than it's physical stats, this is like scaling Armin's Colossal Titan form off his Large Town and Large Town+ transformations. The Colossal Titan should instead be scaled to Building+, City Block via transforming, At most Small Town via Instant Form Dissipation.

• Cart Titans' Speed

Currently the Cart Titan is scaled to Levi via "rescuing Zeke before Levi could react" with a chainscale off the Jaw Titan being the fastest of the Nine Titans and Eren reacting to Porco. This feat of the Cart Titan is completely invalid since Levi does in fact react to her. The feat of Levi intercepting the Jaw Titan mid-bite contradicts this as well.

• Levi's Speed

Currently this calc is used for Levi's speed but the feat is invalid since it's aim dodging. He's shown reacting to Kenny's squad before they fire. There's also the fact he uses the ODM gear to dodge at nearly Mach 2, which doesn't line up with the fact the ODM gear has a canon Subsonic speed. Additionally the anime version of the scene shows him firing off his ODM hooks into the ground before shots are fired. Levi should instead be scaling to At least Supersonic for his various blitz showings against the Nine Titans already listed on his profile

Upgrades​

• Ackerman Speed

Mikasa's profile literally notes how she's "superhuman in every aspect, including speed" but for some reason is only given Peak Human instead of Superhuman lol. This effects Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man

• ODM Blade AP

Rod Reiss' Abnormal Titan form is currently scaled to City Block+ in both AP & Durability for this feat, after he's exploded it's shown that the ODM blades are able to cut right through chunks of flesh of it, including the nape. Rod's Titan also has a possibly Multi-City Block rating as well so that would be included. The durability of a titan's body doesn't change if it's disconnected from the main body or not.
Scaling Chain: Rod Reiss Durabilty=ODM blade<Armored Titan<Attack Titan Hardening & Thunderspears<War Hammer's Crystalization<Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws

• Human to Titan Multiplier

Now I expect this to be the most controversial part of this, there are canonical multipliers for 15m Titans and the Attack Titan as brought up in this thread. But I'm not gonna do some complicated square cube law upscale, I'm just going to use the multipliers directly stated in the book.

Scaling:
15m Titan: 729x stronger than a human
15m Titans currently scale to 0.096 tons
Humans: 0.096/729=0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
Attack Titan: 6561x stronger than a human
Attack Titan's AP: 550979.4121600001*6561= 3614975923.18j / 0.8639999816395794 tons (Building)
Now considering how high these multipliers are it might be a hard-sell but let me make my case

Reliability & Consistency​

The Science of Attack on Titan book is already the source used for the ODM speed, the lifting strength to withstand ODM, and the durability to survive impacts while using the ODM; including Reiner.
The current AoT human is scaling to 0.324380mJ with Reiner having a durability feat of 0.4845475mJ. The durability for humans via the 15m Titan multiplier is only ~1.7x higher than the former and ~1.137x higher than the latter.
Even the smallest Pure Titans are stronger than soldiers w/o ODM gear and are capable of tearing people apart and one-shotting them. For example, neither Carla's or Eren's punches did nothing to the Smiling Titan. A 15m Titan is far stronger than regular pure titans and the first thing Eren does as the Attack Titan is oneshot them. The Attack Titan AP's is already scaled far above his 0.69 tons durability and this new scaling still puts him below the Colossal Titan's 1.950768 tons. The Nine Titans have shown to be vastly superior to both humans and the strongest of Pure Titans; this is excluding Abnormal Titans like Rod Reiss.

Here's the sandbox with the proposed changes: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Lilybitdun/Sandbox
Changes:

1. Gave Superhuman to Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man
2. Downgraded Levi and Kenny's ap in accordance to this accepted thread that has 3 staff approvals that hasn't been added to the profiles yet.
3. Upgraded Our Man's durability to at least Wall level due to comparability to Mikasa and surviving an explosion that killed several of his companions
4. Added durability to Kenny's guns for being able to deflect an ODM blade
5. Made the Building+ durability of Bertolt's and Armin's Titan Forms a likely rating
6. Added reaction feat of Pieck reacting to the Past Jaw Titans to her profile
7. Added a likely durability rating for Falco's Jaw Titan's Armored Face due to it likely scaling to Porco's
8. Upgraded Karl Fritz and Ymir Fritz creations feats to at least Large Town+ level due to the rating coming from it upscaling from the Colossal Titan's transformation AP

Wasn't sure where to put Founding Titan Eren's durability at for his decapitated head surviving Armin's explosion so I put at At least Building+

Colossal Titan's Physicals Downgrade (On Hold)​

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Cart Titan's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree:
Neutral:

Levi's Speed Downgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree:
Neutral:

Ackerman Superhuman Speed Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree:
Neutral:

ODM Blade AP Upgrade (On Hold)​

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Human to Titan Multiplier​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree:
Neutral:

Let's all have a civil discussion

for now I tend to agree on everything except the ODM blade

 

[Lilybitdun]

Oh that reminds me I should say this now pre-emptively while we're waiting for Bertolt feat to be evaluated
It would only scale to Bertolt's AP since it's a thrown attack, can't downscale durability off it either since the only multipliers are for the 15m titan and Eren's Attack Titan. I had realized it doesn't actually effect the ODM blade scaling after waking up so I'm going remove the hold on that

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh that reminds me I should say this now pre-emptively while we're waiting for Bertolt feat to be evaluated
It would only scale to Bertolt's AP since it's a thrown attack, can't downscale durability off it either since the only multipliers are for the 15m titan and Eren's Attack Titan. I had realized it doesn't actually effect the ODM blade scaling after waking up so I'm going remove the hold on that

Calc was evaluated and approved with some slight adjustments, result was 900 tons with leniency to be roughly 1 kiloton. Would scale to Bertolt, Armin, and Eren's Founding Titan

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

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[Lilybitdun]

Calc was evaluated and approved with some slight adjustments, result was 900 tons with leniency to be roughly 1 kiloton. Would scale to Bertolt, Armin, and Eren's Founding Titan

Attack On Titan: Bertolt Throws Reiner

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Sick, I'll update the Colossal Titan physicals proposal and the Sandbox in a bit. Does that fact Rod's Titan is bigger than the Colossal mean he scales too? It's brought up as one of the reasonings for it's AP https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rod_Reiss

 

[Lilybitdun]

Sick, I'll update the Colossal Titan physicals proposal and the Sandbox in a bit. Does that fact Rod's Titan is bigger than the Colossal mean he scales too? It's brought up as one of the reasonings for it's AP https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rod_Reiss

the same reasoning is used for Eren's Founding Titan too, there's a slightly less than ~1.1x gap to baseline Small Town so it's likely fine to upscale them for being massively bigger. Same thing for Post-Founding Eren's Hardening

 

[Lilybitdun]

Updated the Colossal Titan physical proposal and the sandbox
@Raiden38 @Eficiente @Apex_Predator_GX Can I get your opinions on the updated proposal?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sick, I'll update the Colossal Titan physicals proposal and the Sandbox in a bit. Does that fact Rod's Titan is bigger than the Colossal mean he scales too? It's brought up as one of the reasonings for it's AP https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rod_Reiss

Just a heads up, I found a way to get a more accurate measurement that would also bump it back up to Town level, will be updating the calc later and will respond to everything else then

 

[Raiden38]

Updated the Colossal Titan physical proposal and the sandbox
@Raiden38 @Eficiente @Apex_Predator_GX Can I get your opinions on the updated proposal?

for now I have some problems of my own so I can't concentrate too much on that now but tomorrow I'll try to analyse the new proposal as much as I can if I find the time and possibly give my opinion

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay, so while we're waiting for the final version of the calc to be approved:

• Colossal Titan's Physicals

Edit: Was originally a downgrade but due to changes it's an upgrade
Currently the Colossal Titan is given City Block AP based off it's transformation. This is completely wrong since the Colossal Titans' transformation explosion is far more powerful than it's physical stats, this is like scaling Armin's Colossal Titan form off his Large Town and Large Town+ transformations. The Colossal Titan should instead be scaled to Building+, City Block via transforming, At most Small Town via Instant Form Dissipation Multi-City Block level+, Small Town via transforming (Far stronger than his physicals), At most Town level via Instant Form Dissipation. His AP does not scale to his durability, his durability should scale to Building+ from this feat. Armin's and Eren's Colossal Titans scales to Bertolt's AP.
Should be fine to upscale due to there being less than a 1.1x gap to baseline Small Town. Both Rod's Titan and Eren's Founding Titan are upscaled to 1 kiloton via being far bigger than the Colossal Titan. Eren's Post Founding Titan's Hardening is also upscaled to 1 kiloton for being far stronger than his own AP.

So yeah, this is either going to end up as 8-A+ or Low 7-C+ depending on if the new version gets approved, with Armin and Eren's Colossal Titans scaling to Bertolt's AP, as well as Eren's Founding Titan and Rod's Pure Titan.

• Cart Titans' Speed

Currently the Cart Titan is scaled to Levi via "rescuing Zeke before Levi could react" with a chainscale off the Jaw Titan being the fastest of the Nine Titans and Eren reacting to Porco. This feat of the Cart Titan is completely invalid since Levi does in fact react to her. The feat of Levi intercepting the Jaw Titan mid-bite contradicts this as well.

Agreed

• Levi's Speed

Currently this calc is used for Levi's speed but the feat is invalid since it's aim dodging. He's shown reacting to Kenny's squad before they fire. There's also the fact he uses the ODM gear to dodge at nearly Mach 2, which doesn't line up with the fact the ODM gear has a canon Subsonic speed. Additionally the anime version of the scene shows him firing off his ODM hooks into the ground before shots are fired. Levi should instead be scaling to At least Supersonic for his various blitz showings against the Nine Titans already listed on his profile

Agreed. I can probably do a quick recalc of the time he cut one of Kenny's bullets out of the air as well.

• Ackerman Speed

Mikasa's profile literally notes how she's "superhuman in every aspect, including speed" but for some reason is only given Peak Human instead of Superhuman lol. This effects Mikasa, Levi, Kenny, and Our Man

Agreed

• ODM Blade AP

Rod Reiss' Abnormal Titan form is currently scaled to City Block+ in both AP & Durability for this feat, after he's exploded it's shown that the ODM blades are able to cut right through chunks of flesh of it, including the nape. Rod's Titan also has a possibly Multi-City Block rating as well so that would be included. The durability of a titan's body doesn't change if it's disconnected from the main body or not.
Scaling Chain: Rod Reiss Durabilty=ODM blade<Armored Titan<Attack Titan Hardening & Thunderspears<War Hammer's Crystalization<Jaw Titan's Jaws & Claws

This would actually also fall under the 8-A+/Low 7-C+ calc, Hange even cut multiple Colossus Titans during the Rumbling.

• Human to Titan Multiplier

Now I expect this to be the most controversial part of this, there are canonical multipliers for 15m Titans and the Attack Titan as brought up in this thread. But I'm not gonna do some complicated square cube law upscale, I'm just going to use the multipliers directly stated in the book.

Scaling:
15m Titan: 729x stronger than a human
15m Titans currently scale to 0.096 tons
Humans: 0.096/729=0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
Attack Titan: 6561x stronger than a human
Attack Titan's AP: 550979.4121600001*6561= 3614975923.18j / 0.8639999816395794 tons (Building)
Here's a more in-detail version to help explain it better
"As we've seen so far, a 15-meter Titan Eren would be 729 times stronger than a human. At nine times a human's height, his fist would also travel nine times the distance during a punch. In that case, power times distance, or the energy in his punch, would be 729*9, or 6,561 times the energy of a human punch!"
His punch is 9x a 15m Titan's AP (Hence them doing 729*9), and its 6561x a human's punch
Attack Titan AP: 0.096*9= 0.864 tons (Building)
Human AP: 0.864/6561= 0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
"Meanwhile, a Titan body is only 81 times more durable than a human body, so what would happen to a 15-meter class Titan getting punched by Eren's Titan is clear as day. Eren would deal 81 times the damage a human punch would deal to another human! Now that's a strong punch!'
See how it says what would happen to a 15m titan when hit by this punch, not what would happen to the Attack Titan. It's not saying Eren's punch is 81x his AP, it's saying his AP is 81x a 15m Titan's Durability
A 15m titan's body is only 81 times stronger than a human
AP to Durability difference: 729/81= 9x
15m Titan AP: 0.00013168724*729= 0.09599999796 tons = 0.096 tons (Small Building)
15m Titan Durability: 0.096/9= 0.01066666666 tons (Small Building)
Rechecking to prove the math is right
Attack Titan AP: 0.01066666666*81= 0.864 tons (Building)
Now considering how high these multipliers are it might be a hard-sell but let me make my case

Agreed for Pure Titans

Okay I have a couple problems with this
The Guidebook states "Now this is bad! The Colossus fell less than a hundred meters (330 feet) from the wall. The explosion must have severely damaged it. What if Titans started streaming into Wall Rose from there?!"
When we see the result of Bertolt's explosion and the wall is completely intact

Which straight up contradicts what the guidebook says about what his 8.2 kiloton explosion would do to it. This should suggest it is actually referring to a full body mass explosion instead of the half formed Colossus in this scene.

TBF, I did say 4.1 instead of 8.2 because of this earlier in the thread.

Also the body isn't completely evaporated like would it be needed to use the 8.2 kilotons either The anime very clearly shows the intact remains of the Colossal Titan too

Thats more of an issue of difference between anime and manga. In the manga its directly stated that the Colossus Titan fully evaporated the instant it hit the ground.

I don't think they would scale to the full yield of the explosion either
"For one to scale to the full yield of an explosion, one of the three following conditions must be met:

1. The explosion happens inside the character's body
2. The explosion is fully covered by the character in some form (Like their hands or body covering the bomb or source of the explosion)
3. The character is face-hugging/bear-hugging the bomb/explosion source or standing/sitting/crouching right on top of it or directly adjacent to it and the bomb/explosion source happens to be smaller than them"

The Colossus Titan fell directly on top of them, theres not really any reason for them to not scale to the full blast. Its even shown in the manga that the blast is centered directly on Eren.

Also it seems dubious if the crater was made instantly or if it was overtime by the steam.

The calc in the guidebook isnt for the crater, its a calc of the Colossus Titan directly releasing energy by self-destructing its physical form. Which, as I posted above, happened all at once in the manga.

"As we've seen so far, a 15-meter Titan Eren would be 729 times stronger than a human. At nine times a human's height, his fist would also travel nine times the distance during a punch. In that case, power times distance, or the energy in his punch, would be 729*9, or 6,561 times the energy of a human punch!"
His punch is 9x a 15m Titan's AP (Hence them doing 729*9), and its 6561x a human's punch
Attack Titan AP: 0.096*9= 0.864 tons (Building)
Human AP: 0.864/6561= 0.00013168724 tons / 550979.41216j / 0.55097941216mJ (Wall)
"Meanwhile, a Titan body is only 81 times more durable than a human body, so what would happen to a 15-meter class Titan getting punched by Eren's Titan is clear as day. Eren would deal 81 times the damage a human punch would deal to another human! Now that's a strong punch!'
See how it says what would happen to a 15m titan when hit by this punch, not what would happen to the Attack Titan. It's not saying Eren's punch is 81x his AP, it's saying his AP is 81x a 15m Titan's Durability
A 15m titan's body is only 81 times stronger than a human
AP to Durability difference: 729/81= 9x
15m Titan AP: 0.00013168724*729= 0.09599999796 tons = 0.096 tons (Small Building)
15m Titan Durability: 0.096/9= 0.01066666666 tons (Small Building)
Rechecking to prove the math is right
Attack Titan AP: 0.01066666666*81= 0.864 tons (Building)
Saying the Attack Titan's AP is 81x it's own durability is wrong.

Its not though, that literally how its described in the book:

"Eren's fist would also receive nearly 81 times the damage a human fist takes when punching another human. Even boxers wearing gloves to protect their fists can fracture their bones with their own punches. So a full strength, bare fisted punch from a giant monster at 81 times the power..."

"The reason their heads go flying and their hands are destroyed from a punch is because the energy coming from a full 15 meter Titan's full strength punch is unimaginably powerful."

The book outright says that Eren's punches are hitting harder than the durability of his arms, which is why his punches destroy his own hands when he throws punches.

Also you can't assume a multiplier for Hardening
"Aside from such considerations, if it comes to techniques which divide the power of an opponents attacks by something or multiplies the strength of an allies attacks feats will be necessary, regarding what the strongest attacks are for which this works. The reason for that can be easily seen by example: Doubling the power of a 10 Tons of TNT attack requires just the addition of further 10 Tons of TNT. Doubling the power of a 100 Tons of TNT attack requires adding 100 Tons of TNT on the other hand. That means doing that for the 100 Tons of TNT attack requires a far more powerful technique."
Attack Titan Eren's Hardening being at least an 9x amp since he can use it to withstand his own attacks / block attacks from people comparable to him wouldn't mean Colossal Titan Eren's Hardening is also 9x it's physical stats. The multiplier is coming from comparison instead of direct statement, which doesn't work (For example, Sage Mode isn't granted a x10 amp of Naruto's physicals just for being a better form than CS2). Granting multipliers is quite strict

You can assume a multiplier for Hardening, yes. Im fully aware of the guidelines for multipliers, ive been a part of this community for over a decade, before we even had guidelines for this sort of thing. This would be an acceptable application of a multiplier for durability, and would be a basis of AP upscaling for the gap between the Warhammer and the Attack Titan.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Okay, so while we're waiting for the final version of the calc to be approved:

So yeah, this is either going to end up as 8-A+ or Low 7-C+ depending on if the new version gets approved, with Armin and Eren's Colossal Titans scaling to Bertolt's AP, as well as Eren's Founding Titan and Rod's Pure Titan.

That's fine I'll just update it whenever a new value is reached. I'm iffy about scaling the Bertolt's Colossal Titan's AP to it's Durabilty since it wouldn't be by the feat itself but considering Armin and Eren's can throw hands I think it could be fair to.

Agreed. I can probably do a quick recalc of the time he cut one of Kenny's bullets out of the air as well.

Cool, I also have this calc waiting evaluation that would slightly upgrade the Titan Shifters speed.

TBF, I did say 4.1 instead of 8.2 because of this earlier in the thread.

Thats more of an issue of difference between anime and manga. In the manga its directly stated that the Colossus Titan fully evaporated the instant it hit the ground.

In the panel I showed you it literally says he came out of the colossus' remains, if it fully evaporated the moment it hit the ground there wouldn't be remains.
The 8.2 (or the 4.1 kilotons for approx. half it's body) comes from Bertolt converting the entire biomass of the Colossal Titan into gas

"If all that mass was converted into gas, it would produce 8.2 billion kilocalories of heat, equivalent of 8200 tons of gunpower(...)"
And there's still the problem the guidebook states "Now this is bad! The Colossus fell less than a hundred meters (330 feet) from the wall. The explosion must have severely damaged it. What if Titans started streaming into Wall Rose from there?!" with there being no signs of damage from the wall. Something exploding at the half energy that would be needed to damage the wall enough for titans to stream through would've damaged it.

"Eren's fist would also receive nearly 81 times the damage a human fist takes when punching another human. Even boxers wearing gloves to protect their fists can fracture their bones with their own punches. So a full strength, bare fisted punch from a giant monster at 81 times the power..."

"The reason their heads go flying and their hands are destroyed from a punch is because the energy coming from a full 15 meter Titan's full strength punch is unimaginably powerful."

The book outright says that Eren's punches are hitting harder than the durability of his arms, which is why his punches destroy his own hands when he throws punches.

Fair enough, I missed that first statement. I'll update my proposal to have the Attack Titan's AP 81x it's durability

You can assume a multiplier for Hardening, yes. Im fully aware of the guidelines for multipliers, ive been a part of this community for over a decade, before we even had guidelines for this sort of thing. This would be an acceptable application of a multiplier for durability, and would be a basis of AP upscaling for the gap between the Warhammer and the Attack Titan.

Can you give me examples where it's fine to assume an multiplier for a technique like this? I'm iffy about applying multipliers like

 

[Doggo]

AOT upgrades in 2025?!?!

Impossible

 

[Lilybitdun]

AOT upgrades in 2025?!?!

Impossible

We really pulling a Demon Slayer

 

[Lilybitdun]

You can assume a multiplier for Hardening, yes. Im fully aware of the guidelines for multipliers, ive been a part of this community for over a decade, before we even had guidelines for this sort of thing. This would be an acceptable application of a multiplier for durability, and would be a basis of AP upscaling for the gap between the Warhammer and the Attack Titan.

There's a problem with circular scaling
Attack Titan's Hardening AP / Durability > Armor Titan > ODM blades = Colossal Titan's Durability = Colossal Titan's AP
Attack Titan's base Durabilty is 1/81th of his Hardening Durabilty, with his base AP is 81x his durabilty which leads to him having the same AP as the Colossal Titan even though it's shown the Colossal Titan can casually knock out the Attack Titan with a kick, should be stronger due to sheer size, and the Armored Titan whose comparable to the Attack Titan was shown to be unable to hurt the Colossal Titan with his base attacks.

 

[Machmatej]

Attack Titan's base Durabilty is 1/81th of his Hardening Durabilty, with his base AP is 81x his durabilty which leads to him having the same AP as the Colossal Titan even though it's shown the Colossal Titan can casually knock out the Attack Titan with a kick,

Are you referring to this scene? Because Eren didn't really attack the Colossal, he just tried holding him back before getting flung. It seems to show more of an LS difference than an AP one, which should be apparent given the height and weight gap. Sure, Eren was knocked out and had his arm broken, but the kick itself didn't do any exterior damage that needed regenerating.

and the Armored Titan whose comparable to the Attack Titan was shown to be unable to hurt the Colossal Titan with his base attacks.

Can you send the panel or clip for this? I only remember Reiner getting grabbed and his head bitten off by the Colossal on Eren's back. And if you're referring to that, then the Colossal was clearly restraining him, which is another LS feat.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Are you referring to this scene? Because Eren didn't really attack the Colossal, he just tried holding him back before getting flung. It seems to show more of an LS difference than an AP one, which should be apparent given the height and weight gap. Sure, Eren was knocked out and had his arm broken, but the kick itself didn't do any exterior damage that needed regenerating.

Titans being massively bigger than another is already reasoning used for Eren's Founding Titan. Him getting casually overpowered is just supporting evidence of him being below the Colossal's AP, the main one is the thing with the Armored Titan

Can you send the panel or clip for this? I only remember Reiner getting grabbed and his head bitten off by the Colossal on Eren's back. And if you're referring to that, then the Colossal was clearly restraining him, which is another LS feat.

The reasoning of Colossal Titan's Durabilty > Armored Titan's base AP is already on the profile. I couldn't find him hitting the Colossal Titan in the manga but it exists in the anime

The manga just shows him grabbed and then bit

 

[Shadow_x007x]

From my quick read, I don't think I'll have much of a problem with this thread, so I agree, except for the ODM Blade AP part. For a sword to cut into a Titan's flesh, it doesn't need AP equivalent to the Titan's durability to do so. You can read about that on this page. [And yes, even the current ODM Blade AP, I still disagree, since cutting off the back of a Colossal Titan's neck is also a small surface area attack, so the sword doesn't need that much AP.]

 

[Lilybitdun]

From my quick read, I don't think I'll have much of a problem with this thread, so I agree, except for the ODM Blade AP part. For a sword to cut into a Titan's flesh, it doesn't need AP equivalent to the Titan's durability to do so. You can read about that on this page. [And yes, even the current ODM Blade AP, I still disagree, since cutting off the back of a Colossal Titan's neck is also a small surface area attack, so the sword doesn't need that much AP.]

The blade's AP scaling to the Colossal Titan's durability was already accepted on it's profile, so you're against the current premise of the blades' AP scaling completely?

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Yes, I’m having trouble with the current sword AP scaling. I think we should have certain criteria for adjusting the scale for example, slicing a target cleanly into pieces like Levi did, or cutting through even bones like Mikasa did, should allow the scale to be adjusted accordingly. A mere shallow cut, however, shouldn’t be scaled based on durability.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, I’m having trouble with the current sword AP scaling. I think we should have certain criteria for adjusting the scale for example, slicing a target cleanly into pieces like Levi did, or cutting through even bones like Mikasa did, should allow the scale to be adjusted accordingly. A mere shallow cut, however, shouldn’t be scaled based on durability.

Its the same weapon though

 

[Lilybitdun]

Yes, I’m having trouble with the current sword AP scaling. I think we should have certain criteria for adjusting the scale for example, slicing a target cleanly into pieces like Levi did, or cutting through even bones like Mikasa did, should allow the scale to be adjusted accordingly. A mere shallow cut, however, shouldn’t be scaled based on durability.

Them cutting the chunks of Rod's Titan aren't swallow cuts though, they are slicing straight through flesh chunks the size of themselves

Characters cutting chunks of Rod's Titan's flesh

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Also like how Weekly mentioned Levi and Mikasa are using the same weapon

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Will respond to the rest in a bit, ive just been reminded that the book we're using also gives a list of jaw strengths for the different Titans

So Eren was able to briefly hold 55 metric tons