AlipheeseXIV
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Chapter 33 is where it is introduced and mentioned.
Currently, there are no other Observer's introduced in the series aside from Ishmael. We do not have any information on all the others.
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Punishing: Gray Raven Discussion Tread
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Currently, there are no other Observer's introduced in the series aside from Ishmael. We do not have any information on all the others.
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I'm almost close to Chapter 33, but it's probably going to take a while before I get there.
I wish you could spoil something so exciting that it would make me read faster just to reach Chapter 33 sooner
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But when my friends were talking to each other, they said there are three Observers in PGR, Was that not true?
AlipheeseXIV
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I do not want to spoil people in a public thread like this.I'm almost close to Chapter 33, but it's probably going to take a while before I get there.
I wish you could spoil something so exciting that it would make me read faster just to reach Chapter 33 sooner
AlipheeseXIV
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A lot of people believe one of the newly introduced NPC's to be an Observer, however there is no proof of that currently it is just gossip for now. There are currently only 2 Observer's in the game.
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I don't want to bother you, and I'm really sorry about that...
But there's something else that's been on my mind: does Ishmael have AP 7D?
Because I remember a staff member named Reiner saying that no evidence had been provided in that thread showing that an Observer could destroy or affect their own place of residence.
Is that still the case? Is there still no evidence?
AlipheeseXIV
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No it's fine, you aren't bothering me.
That is still the case yes, there is nothing supporting Ishmael being able to destroy the stellar sea which is why her AP is not 7D even though currently she has 7D HDE. If the 1B thread is accepted, she will be far stronger than 7D but she would still be unable to destroy the stellar sea.
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If there's even a 1% chance that the 1-B thread doesn't get accepted, I remember the path you used for it started at 26D and ended at 28D.
Now, if the Hetero Tower path starts at 26D and ends at 28D... then never mind, forget it if that’s the case.
But if the 26D path actually starts from the Gate and ends at 28D,
Then that means there’s evidence that Ishmael could potentially reach AP 7D or even 8D through another method.
You get what I mean?
Like... the path used from 26D to 28D,
If 1-B gets rejected, then maybe that same logic can be applied to get him into Tier 1-C.
Hope I didn’t explain it too vaguely.
AlipheeseXIV
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Uhh...I'm a bit confused but if I'm understanding what you said correctly, Ishmael is already 1C as 1C starts at 6D. So even without the 1B thread she is still 1C right now.
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Let me explain it better.
In the path you used for that thread…
It starts at 26D and ends at 28D, right?
What I was saying is: if Tier 1-B doesn’t get accepted…
then apply that same path to Tier 1-C.
Meaning: start at 6D and end at 8D.
But only if 26D starts from the Gate.
If it doesn’t start from there, then I don’t think it would work.
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I think abilities like CM Type 1 (Conceptual Manipulation ) EE and Large Size might also be applicable to the ishmael
I hope these get addressed in future CRTs.
I hope these get addressed in future CRTs.
AlipheeseXIV
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Oh, then yes. That is something I had planned on doing in case 1B does not get accepted. However, I do think 1B has a very strong proposal so I have high hopes for it's eventual evaluation.
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They are and will be added, Large Size is by default apart of HDE so it doesn't needed to be added.
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Exactly what I thought
AlipheeseXIV
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Yes, I will read the collab story at some point and decide exactly what tier to denote to the both of them. From a scan Sonic sent, it seems the demon fused with Ascnet and is using the lower level of the Hetero Tower so it's possible they get a 2A rating but that completely depends on the context.
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Wasn't I supposed to receive Dante for free or smth?
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Are you done with story mode?
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I still don’t understand why Cradle has the ability Conceptual Destruction Type 1, and why some of Cradle’s abilities are 6D
If I remember correctly, it was once mentioned that Cradle’s abilities aren’t limited to the Gate,
which is why some of its abilities are 6D?
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Yes. The reasoning and scans for conceptual destruction type 1 are in her profile.
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I honestly didn’t understand it… Could you explain it?
Because most of the discussion was about Acausality (Type 4 Negation).
I don’t know anything about Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) or Conceptual Destruction Type 1 in regard to Cradle...
But for Luna, it was explained really well.
AlipheeseXIV
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Well it's pretty simple, chaos contamination is able to erase type 1 concepts like time. Resulting in the Fog being a realm where time doesn't exist. Not to mention, information in PGR is above type 1 concepts and as you saw if the contaminating memetic is not contained in Gestalt it will halt all forms of information transfer which makes up all things in the PGR verse including type 1 concepts.
Second, as Agent Zero Cradle has the authority to harvest entire civilizations bringing them behind the Gate. Civilization in PGR = All information (both types), all concepts (type 1), all alternate universe (2A).
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Wooow… that was really, really awesome, Thanks for the explanation
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Yeah I got it. Now grinding for cubs.
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Regarding Ishmael's lifting strength, would throwing a universe qualify as an example of "immeasurable lifting strength"?
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I mean the Primal Projection, which would create a universe and throw it instantly
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Yeah
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AlipheeseXIV
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Yeah, I'm gonna give her LS when I rework the page for Projection/Ishmael.
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When I read this blog, I was out of reality for an hour from the shock
vsbattles.fandom.com
Ishmael (Punishing: Gray Raven
vsbattles.fandom.com
AlipheeseXIV
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That will remain a blog for awhile, I'm only using it to gather feats and evidence for the possibility. There's no guarantee we'll ever get there
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It’s a good way to avoid mixing up the scans
And yes, some things might get accepted and some might not
Overall, you’ve presented the closest thing to the most accurate scale.
It either works or it doesn’t.
It’s a shot in the dark, and it all depends on future CRT arguments, the decisions of the staff members and Disagrees, as well as our defense.
I hope we all succeed
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According to this thread:
vsbattles.com
shouldn't the pages of Ishmael and Doomguy be edite?
A Watcher fights a Slayer | Ishmael (Punishing: Gray Raven) vs Doomguy (DOOM) | 9-1-0 (GRACE ENDED)
Ishmael vs Doomguy Both are 1-C Speed is equalized Battle takes place in The Gate SBA Primal Projection Ishmael Doom Eternal Doomguy and Doomguy can access to all equipments God : 9 (@Felipe_Walker16, @AlipheeseXIV, @Voidnether, @BEASTHEART8800, @Shiroiyo, @TegamiBachi25, @Shar122...
AlipheeseXIV
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No it shouldn't, cuz of when it took place. It's not really that important.According to this thread:
shouldn't the pages of Ishmael and Doomguy be edite?A Watcher fights a Slayer | Ishmael (Punishing: Gray Raven) vs Doomguy (DOOM) | 9-1-0 (GRACE ENDED)
Ishmael vs Doomguy Both are 1-C Speed is equalized Battle takes place in The Gate SBA Primal Projection Ishmael Doom Eternal Doomguy and Doomguy can access to all equipments God : 9 (@Felipe_Walker16, @AlipheeseXIV, @Voidnether, @BEASTHEART8800, @Shiroiyo, @TegamiBachi25, @Shar122...
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It’s funny, I think it was because Doomguy lost to Ishmael that he went and made a CRT and removed Nonduality and NEP....
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Honestly, it matters to me, If the "Victory" section on Ishmael’s page gets edited, for some people it will be like a wound that always leaves a mark.
A beautiful keepsake.
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Now, now. Let's not provoke people around here. Just do your own work. It's not worth the hassle.
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Yeah, we shouldn’t pour gasoline on the fire, it’s not such a big deal anyway
AlipheeseXIV
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Well it's fine, if it gets edited we can just get it back. Doomguy would've still lost even without the NEP or ND tbh, her type 9 is not something he can readily bypass, but well as I said. It's not a big deal, not to mention the match will end up being a stomp soon and not possible anyways.
