TF2 Upgrade Thread - Some small calc revisions and additions

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do you want to add a part about Medic's shield vaporizing multiple robots or save that for a rainy day?

I think that may be for another thread as I might make it a part of a series or I might simply close to make a new, bigger CRT for this

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I think that may be for another thread as I might make it a part of a series or I might simply close to make a new, bigger CRT for this

Don't close yet, there may be some steam left in this thread (no pun intended).

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Don't close yet, there may be some steam left in this thread (no pun intended).

non intended, but at the very least I would like to finish this thread with the calcs presented at the start to see if they can be applied for the verse

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

But at the current moment

Whats the current concensus on the four major calcs presented here for this thread?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

But at the current moment

Whats the current concensus on the four major calcs presented here for this thread?

for me they are all resonable

Also considering the nature of the yeti statement (8 times stronger than lazer weapons) and the other stuff and the fact that saxton one shotted said yeti (another 8 times multiplier), wouldn't that make saxton 74,88 Tons of tnt? (8-B+)

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Also considering the nature of the yeti statement (8 times stronger than lazer weapons) and the other stuff and the fact that saxton one shotted said yeti (another 8 times multiplier), wouldn't that make saxton 74,88 Tons of tnt? (8-B+)

No

This gap is only valid in versus threads; it does not apply to in-universe feats of one-shotting other characters, as using it as such a multiplier for powerscaling purposes is considered Calc Stacking.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

No

aight fair enough

 

[Diamond_Drone]

But at the current moment

Whats the current concensus on the four major calcs presented here for this thread?

Anyways, I think the four calcs here are all fine, though I will note for the bear LS calc that only Heavy is ever seen fighting the bear while everyone else is either panicking (in front covers of dubious canonicity, given that another one features the Demoman using a sword which never happens in the comic itself) or were struggling to fight baby bears while also trying to deal with the cold.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Anyways, I think the four calcs here are all fine, though I will note for the bear LS calc that only Heavy is ever seen fighting the bear while everyone else is either panicking (in front covers of dubious canonicity, given that another one features the Demoman using a sword which never happens in the comic itself) or were struggling to fight baby bears while also trying to deal with the cold.

alright so the calcs are fine but the LS is specific to heavy got it

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Anyways, I think the four calcs here are all fine, though I will note for the bear LS calc that only Heavy is ever seen fighting the bear while everyone else is either panicking (in front covers of dubious canonicity, given that another one features the Demoman using a sword which never happens in the comic itself) or were struggling to fight baby bears while also trying to deal with the cold.

I'm fine with this but didn't scout (temporarely) restrain heavy in meet the scout?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Anyways, I think the four calcs here are all fine, though I will note for the bear LS calc that only Heavy is ever seen fighting the bear while everyone else is either panicking (in front covers of dubious canonicity, given that another one features the Demoman using a sword which never happens in the comic itself) or were struggling to fight baby bears while also trying to deal with the cold.

It's not impossible that the cold nerfed the mercs, especially Soldier who refused any appropriate snow-gear.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

It's not impossible that the cold nerfed the mercs, especially Soldier who refused any appropriate snow-gear.

I dont think the mercs were too nerfed

there was starvation but it kind of was solved via eating honey. Soldier's being soldier and going naked whilst scout had a hotdog costume.

I think its ok to go w LS for heavy only since the mercs were going mainly in striking them (Scout hits the cub w a femur bone and Pyro was using an axe Iirc). Maybe soldier but its likely another calc since he mainly neck snapped a cub

Idk if the neck snapping should be another calc but it makes sense, Mama's stronger than the cubs

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I dont think the mercs were too nerfed

there was starvation but it kind of was solved via eating honey. Soldier's being soldier and going naked whilst scout had a hotdog costume.

I think its ok to go w LS for heavy only since the mercs were going mainly in striking them (Scout hits the cub w a femur bone and Pyro was using an axe Iirc). Maybe soldier but its likely another calc since he mainly neck snapped a cub

Idk if the neck snapping should be another calc but it makes sense, Mama's stronger than the cubs

Either way, I'm not complaining.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

oi lads! the new tf2 update just dropped

maybe i can get a cloud formation calc from the map i'm plain

 

[LandonTheGuy]

oi lads! the new tf2 update just dropped

maybe i can get a cloud formation calc from the map i'm plain

no cloud formation calc i'm afraid

 

[Rex_Eckles]

no cloud formation calc i'm afraid

Let's focus on getting staff votes for the calcs we already have.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Let's focus on getting staff votes for the calcs we already have.

fair enough

how many do we still need?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

fair enough

how many do we still need?

Let's see, we currently have none, so we'll need at least 2 admins.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

@DarkDragonMedeus Sorry for bringing you back into this thread

but what is your view on the upgrades?

I don't think you're allowed to ping staff, but I'm pretty sure you're allowed reach them through direct messages.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I don't think you're allowed to ping staff, but I'm pretty sure you're allowed reach them through direct messages.

O shit then mb

 

[Ebihara]

its not that youre not allowed to ping staff. its that non staff's pings will not notify them, they just dont work if you arent staff.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose this looks alright with the new train feat also being another 8-C (Not quite High 8-C like the one mentioned on a different thread given other details)

But I'd wonder of @Abstractions had any arguments about this.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I suppose this looks alright with the new train feat also being another 8-C (Not quite High 8-C like the one mentioned on a different thread given other details)

But I'd wonder of @Abstractions had any arguments about this.

alright counted

 

[Pyro9278]

Bump

 

[LandonTheGuy]

ok, i've just wanted to add that i don't exactly feel too much confortable with the pyro feat.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

ok, i've just wanted to add that i don't exactly feel too much confortable with the pyro feat.

The vaguety of it? I personally am fine with it.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

The vaguety of it? I personally am fine with it.

mostly it's because for yes it's vaguety but also because it's a 9-A explosion, but if that's just a way to categorize pyro to 8-C because he no sold the explosion, then I'm fine with it

 

[Diamond_Drone]

I don't exactly get the problem with Pyro's feat? It destroys the metal roof which is 8-C, they are closer to the origin of the explosion than the roof is, therefore they withstood more energy than what is needed to destroy the roof because of Inverse Square Law.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Apologies for the misunderstanding but i just noticed that i got the wrong feat, this calc is fine.

Sorry again for the waste of time

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump. (if I'm allowed to do this)

 

[LandonTheGuy]

ok i just noticed, the lazer weapons going to scale to the mercs this time, right?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

ok i just noticed, the lazer weapons going to scale to the mercs this time, right?

Which ones?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Which ones?

• Vaporizing Robots (8-C+) (A recalc of this, should scale to mercs w laser weapons)

i'm wondering this because it says "should scale to mercs w laser weapons"

 

[Rex_Eckles]

• Vaporizing Robots (8-C+) (A recalc of this, should scale to mercs w laser weapons)

i'm wondering this because it says "should scale to mercs w laser weapons"

Considering their laser weapons can do it, yeah.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Considering their laser weapons can do it, yeah.

i meant on their phisical dura and striking strenght cuz the current profile says otherwise because the bosies gets disintegrated

 

[Rex_Eckles]

i meant on their phisical dura and striking strenght cuz the current profile says otherwise because the bosies gets disintegrated

Personally, I'm fine with scaling to physicals, but I doubt that will be accepted.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Personally, I'm fine with scaling to physicals, but I doubt that will be accepted.

i think it's stupid saing it doesn't scale, the only argument i saw against it is the fact that their bodies get disintegrated after dying wich can be debunked by just understanding that it only happens when your effective durability runs out (aka. when you die).

 

[Chritin]

Excellent. Gentlemen, synchronize your Profiles.
We have seventy hours to live. For most men, no time at all.
We are not most men.

We are mercenaries. We have the resources. The will. To make these hours count!

The clock is ticking, gentlemen. Let's begin.

TF2 has been getting a good amount of feats, either revising previous calcs or making new additions which is in time needed for application. but with no time to waste lets get to the calcs

REVISIONS

• Pyro survives a building explosion (8-C) (a recalc of this, another good physical feat for the mercs alongside people who scale above like Saxton Hale, etc)
• Vaporizing Robots (8-C+) (A recalc of this, should scale to mercs w laser weapons)

New Calcs

• Saxton Hale tanks a Volcano Eruption (8-C) (A new calc for Saxton Hale though it likely would be the bare minimum due to him being capable of killing the yeti that can stomp the mercs around and even in his own gamemode oneshot 7 out of the 9 mercs.
• Bear LS calc (I would say scales to the mercs, best with the heavy since the big man does fight them alongside scout, a naked soldier and pyro)

Current Scaling

So scaling is to keep a couple of things in mind

1) The mercs should have a relative field in ap and dura (with characters obviously differences in whos stronger, faster, etc) but generally the mercs do have atleast shown a good amount of 8-C feats.
2) Saxton Hale alongside other equally powerful characters show scale massively above due to characters like Saxton, The Headless Horseless Horseman and etc being capable of oneshotting the mercs so ap and dura wise it should be like this

as a bare minimum characters like Saxton Hale, Headless Horseless Horseman should have atleast in their profiles

one thing to note is that the explosion calc on scout was done in the gravel war key meaning that he, the other mercs, etc should be considered more durable, stronger, etc. this may not be the last time but currently these are consistent and should be added and applied

Votes

Votes	Voters
Agree	@LegendariumOfLies, @Diamond_Drone (But LS Specific to Heavy), @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree

Seems fine for the most part, although I may look into pulling the files for the robot mercs for an even more accurate result on the atomization calc.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Seems fine for the most part, although I may look into pulling the files for the robot mercs for an even more accurate result on the atomization calc.

Shall this be considered a vote for agreement?

Also bump

 

[Chritin]

Shall this be considered a vote for agreement?

Also bump

Yup. Also If any of y’all can pull the robot files I can check the volume on them