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Any opinions regarding the votes?
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Clarifications About the Godzilla Singular Point Novelization
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I thought we took care of the issues with IT being 1-A or are you talking about the Singularity?
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Nah like Qaws said he changed his mind to the possibly rating because of Azathoth's arguments. When we look at the message where he agreed he said he agrees to a possibly. So now we have 2 votes for plain 1-A, a vote for possibly and a neutral vote. Idk what to do now.
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nah like legit, what do I do here? Do I need more votes? Do I apply what the majority of the votes are saying? I don't wanna apply the revision only to get rvrd or something.
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Uh so we still need your input man. We're itching to apply something and idk what to do anymore rn.
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Reiterating my point from earlier in case it helps at all.
Godzilla Ultima's true form is inherently difficult to scale. Not because there's nothing to work with, but because depending on how certain passages are interpreted and how literally you take them, it could genuinely be anywhere from 1-B to High 1-A, including pretty much everything in-between. Based largely on the discussion we've had and quotes we've been over, my personal interpretation of the entity is probably closest to "1-A, possibly higher" at the moment, but I believe "1-B, possibly/likely 1-A" is equally valid. I think that at the moment, adding this transcendental perspective of the entity's tiering to the profile is a higher priority than determining precisely how we do it.
Whether "1-B, possibly 1-A" or just "1-A" is deemed better by the majority, I find both perfectly acceptable and would not stand in the way of either.
It's not like "Its" nature is conducive to meaningful VS threads, anyway. Its 1-B is "incredibly large but completely unspecified number of higher dimensions" while its 1-A is "at least one degree of qualitative transcendence over reality, maybe a lot more, idfk". We're really just focusing on trying to categorize it as accurately as possible.
Side note, but I'll be trying to read the full novel myself, soon. It'll likely take a while, as I've been translating each page multiple times to try and iron out any irregularities in the machine translation, but it's something I've been interested in doing anyway. Whether that changes my opinion on anything or reveals something we missed remains to be seen, but if so I'll bring it up in a later thread and hopefully get it verified by someone actually fluent in Japanese.
Godzilla Ultima's true form is inherently difficult to scale. Not because there's nothing to work with, but because depending on how certain passages are interpreted and how literally you take them, it could genuinely be anywhere from 1-B to High 1-A, including pretty much everything in-between. Based largely on the discussion we've had and quotes we've been over, my personal interpretation of the entity is probably closest to "1-A, possibly higher" at the moment, but I believe "1-B, possibly/likely 1-A" is equally valid. I think that at the moment, adding this transcendental perspective of the entity's tiering to the profile is a higher priority than determining precisely how we do it.
Whether "1-B, possibly 1-A" or just "1-A" is deemed better by the majority, I find both perfectly acceptable and would not stand in the way of either.
It's not like "Its" nature is conducive to meaningful VS threads, anyway. Its 1-B is "incredibly large but completely unspecified number of higher dimensions" while its 1-A is "at least one degree of qualitative transcendence over reality, maybe a lot more, idfk". We're really just focusing on trying to categorize it as accurately as possible.
Side note, but I'll be trying to read the full novel myself, soon. It'll likely take a while, as I've been translating each page multiple times to try and iron out any irregularities in the machine translation, but it's something I've been interested in doing anyway. Whether that changes my opinion on anything or reveals something we missed remains to be seen, but if so I'll bring it up in a later thread and hopefully get it verified by someone actually fluent in Japanese.
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I thought I said I was fine with it.
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So overall:
- Theglassman12 is neutral about the proposals.
- Qawsedf234 agrees with possibly 1-A.
- Firestorm808 and DarkDragonMedeus agree with 1-A straight up.
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Apologies. I got the votes mixed up.
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To reiterate, what's the proposed difference in rating between the Omega Point and IT keys?
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@Qawsedf234
What would we have to provide to shift your stance from a possibly to solid rating for IT being 1-A?
What would we have to provide to shift your stance from a possibly to solid rating for IT being 1-A?
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I suppose a solid 1-A should be fine, given it's 2 for with 1 possibly.
I'd say wait another day for a grace period before we apply everything.
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Alright. If we don't get a reply in 24 hours I'm applying it.
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I agree with this thread
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I LOVE the smell of fresh upgrades in the morning
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Grace is over, I would like to request these two pages to be opened as they are the ones affected by the upgrade
Godzilla (Godzilla Singular Point Novelization)
Godzilla (ゴジラ, Gojira?) is a kaiju who appears in the novelization of the anime "Godzilla: Singular Point", written by Toh EnJoe. In the novel, Godzilla is the physical body, the main "trunk" of "It", the cosmic entity who consumes universes to expand its domain. It is constantly evolving and...
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SHIVA (Godzilla Singular Point Novelization)
SHIVA is a singular point, a higher dimensional existence that creates a shell of red dust around it and twists space-time. It is one of the trunks of "It", similar to Godzilla, although the latter is the main trunk of the metaphorical "tree" that is "It" and thus seeks to destroy SHIVA[Notes...
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What's your draft for the new tier justifications?I LOVE the smell of fresh upgrades in the morning
Grace is over, I would like to request these two pages to be opened as they are the ones affected by the upgrade
Godzilla (Godzilla Singular Point Novelization)
Godzilla (ゴジラ, Gojira?) is a kaiju who appears in the novelization of the anime "Godzilla: Singular Point", written by Toh EnJoe. In the novel, Godzilla is the physical body, the main "trunk" of "It", the cosmic entity who consumes universes to expand its domain. It is constantly evolving and...SHIVA (Godzilla Singular Point Novelization)
SHIVA is a singular point, a higher dimensional existence that creates a shell of red dust around it and twists space-time. It is one of the trunks of "It", similar to Godzilla, although the latter is the main trunk of the metaphorical "tree" that is "It" and thus seeks to destroy SHIVA[Notes...
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Outerverse level ("It" is an unreachable being that engulfs universes, being far superior to beings connected to countless higher dimensions. It views the past, future and the present as dreams and dreams within dreams. The Singular Point is a mere branch of "It". "It" should be superior to the Omega Point, which would've also surpassed the Singular Point to an unknown extent. "It" surpasses the universe on a qualitive layer, viewing everything as mere fiction, with the universe being like a dream or a tv show to it and the singular point as well being merely a hole it put in the metaphorical screen separating the universe from itself)
For the Omega Point
At least Hyperverse level (It is stated that Godzilla would reach an Omega Point and outgrow the Singular Point, reaching other dimensions. The Singular Point is a construct that naturally exists in hyperspace, is capable of hyperspatial and hypertemporal manipulations and generates archetype molecules which connect to countless dimensions)
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Is this swell?
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Seems fine.
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Can you open the profiles then?
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Unlocked.
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Also Arceus, don't forget to make the edit to Aquatilis, Amphibia, Terrestris, and Ultima's durability, as well.
It shouldn't actually change what's currently there, but add something after the existing text like "At least Hyperverse level for its core (The Singular Point functions as one of Godzilla's organs, making it impossible to fully destroy while the singularity remains within reality)". Something like that.
It shouldn't actually change what's currently there, but add something after the existing text like "At least Hyperverse level for its core (The Singular Point functions as one of Godzilla's organs, making it impossible to fully destroy while the singularity remains within reality)". Something like that.
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At this point I think i'll deal with that separately. It wouldn't have Hyperverse level dura either, just HDE since you only get Hyperverse if you scale to a full-sized higher-D universe. The singular point isn't unviersal in size so..
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you can lock em right back
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However it's specifically dealt with, so long as it's made clear that you can't fully "kill" Godzilla's physical form without getting rid of the singularity, that should be fine.
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he already has immo type 9 so its fine either way.
I'll start planning the next revision for the other keys.
Once the profiles are locked this can be closed.
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Yeah, you deserve it.
Me when I now have an excuse to use this gif.
I applied the upgrades to SHIVA if you want to check them...
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SHIVA looks good, from a quick glance. Thankfully these are all quick and easy changes.
Extremely funny how the 1-A changes apply to absolutely nobody else and the 1-B changes apply to the specific capabilities of one character whose novel incarnation doesn't even have a page.
Big day for -checks notes-... prep time Jet Jaguar.
Extremely funny how the 1-A changes apply to absolutely nobody else and the 1-B changes apply to the specific capabilities of one character whose novel incarnation doesn't even have a page.
Big day for -checks notes-... prep time Jet Jaguar.
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we've got plans for later and also, if we do make profiles for Rodan and Anguirus and such they'd have a 1-A key
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Finally, the true purpose of all this: King Caesar upscale.
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Thanks, bro!
Yeah. lol
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