Spy (Team Fortress 2) vs Black Widow (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

[09Kayson09]

Spy

Vs

Black Widow

Rules:

1 - Both 9-A

2 - Speed Equalized

3 - Spy Robot War/Australium Chase key will be used

4 - Spy will be equipped with Revolver, Knife and Disguise Kit

5 - Natasha will be equipped with Heckler & Koch USP, Garrote and Knife

6 - Both will start 10 meters away from each other

Spy:

Black Widow:

 

[Ebihara]

is this SBA? are they starting in front of each other?

 

[09Kayson09]

are they starting in front of each other?

Damn, i forgot about that

 

[koopa3144]

Unless I'm mistaken (since I'm not 100% sure what we use rn for scaling), I believe Spy scales to Fragmenting robots at .0189 tons of TNT, which is slightly stronger than Widow's 0.1232 tons. Since Spy's Revolver can easily put down comparable peeps it shouldn't take more than a few shots to take Widow out.

Edit; I'm blind, so I missed the 0 in front of Spy's .0189 tons, so Widow is actually a bit stronger here.

 

[Nonynho]

Ain't Natasha tremendously better skillwise?

 

[09Kayson09]

it shouldn't take more than a few shots to take Widow out.

Does this count as your vote?

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Unless I'm mistaken (since I'm not 100% sure what we use rn for scaling), I believe Spy scales to Fragmenting robots at .0189 tons of TNT, which is slightly stronger than Widow's 0.1232 tons.

Pretty sure he scales to characters that can harm Soldier, who can no-sell a tank exploding at 0.086 Tons of TNT. Both of these values are also weaker than Black Widow's AP (1.4325x in favor of Widow with the Soldier feat), not stronger.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

with the current interation that vs wiki has with spy i guess Black Widow has the advantage on ap and dura, but spy should be able to balance that with the cloacking, disguise kit (idk how usefull this might be on a 1v1 but still) and the fact that ha can ignore durability with backstabs.

Also i wold like to point out that they shoud be both around the 566,9+ kg of force (cause they both scale to people who can snap necks casualy) so in an hypotetical brawl they should be comparable at the very least, unless spy scales to the bears heavy and the rest of the team fought in the comics then i guess spy should have the slight advantage (bears should be on the 500/1000 kg) so in that case Spy would have the advantage.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

with the current interation that vs wiki has with spy i guess Black Widow has the advantage on ap and dura, but spy should be able to balance that with the cloacking, disguise kit (idk how usefull this might be on a 1v1 but still) and the fact that ha can ignore durability with backstabs.

Also i wold like to point out that they shoud be both around the 566,9+ kg of force (cause they both scale to people who can snap necks casualy) so in an hypotetical brawl they should be comparable

ok just noticed that spy doesn't have cloacking on his equip lol

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Ain't Natasha tremendously better skillwise?

not necessarily, in this newspaper section spy and scout are regarded "as the most dangerus men in america" so i do belive Spy should have some serius skill fighting skills to be consider this way, also he's capable to outmanover other pretty skilled mercs like Soldier and Sniper with relative ease.

I do belive that he should be at the very least capable to keep up with her.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Does Widow have a counter for the Back-Stab?

 

[Kinggg121132]

Does Widow have a counter for the Back-Stab?

No her physical durability comparable to hawkeye

 

[Kinggg121132]

What are their win cons how do they fight normally

 

[Arkansalter2]

What are their win cons how do they fight normally

Spy I'm pretty sure Spy along with the rest of the TF2 cast is like oneshots above their level.

 

[Kinggg121132]

Spy I'm pretty sure Spy along with the rest of the TF2 cast is like oneshots above their level.

Then black widow kinda cooked with the stab tech he has

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hmmm... going with Spy here. Spy's knife should be able to just insta-wipe her once this turns into CQC.
Spy, mid diff.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I'm voting Spy.

 

[Kinggg121132]

Hmmm... going with Spy here. Spy's knife should be able to just insta-wipe her once this turns into CQC.
Spy, mid diff.

Yeah same spy fra

 

[LandonTheGuy]

i vote spy too (if it wasn't clear already)

 

[Gamecooob]

yeah Spy closes the AP gap with crits from a range.
and the backstab just ends it.

voting spy

 

[LandonTheGuy]

yeah Spy closes the AP gap with crits from a range.
and the backstab just ends it.

voting spy

i wouldn't rely that much on random crists considering they are like 1/20 (or something like that), regardless spy ap is pretty comparable.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

He has no cloak to hide and I don't think central park has enough people for his disguise kit to matter. This means I don't think he can run away and do something like an air stab or a sneaky back stab.

Which leaves closing the distance for a trick stab.

Plus I'd put more stock in the USP before the revolver. 15 rounds per magazine, more than double the revolver. More than any of the secondaries in the game too. Still, ammo count isn't everything and is negated if the aim is good. Plus a few random crits can make up for all your other shots missing.

But if he does manage to close distance. The garrote is a terrible combat weapon. If she tries to garrote him like in the movies, he can turn her legs into paper mache.

If we assume they are equal in skill then Spy automatically gets an edge simply because he has an insta-kill backstab technique. Now I think people are putting a bit too much stock in it. He has to access her back which is near hard to do in a fight. But he still has his trick stab tactics which Widow will be caught off guard by at least the first time. Plus hard to access someone's back isn't the same as impossible and you see in MMA and BJJ there are plenty of ways to gain access to the back and even fighters of equal skill still get their backs taken.

I'll go with spy.