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Big Marvel P&A CRT
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@DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint @Dereck03
This CRT has been sitting for a while. Any of you mind chipping in?
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OP's proposals look good.
This would be Creation I believe.
This would be Creation I believe.
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Put it as Creation, thanks Mav.
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You are using my scan there 
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Which scan is that one? I forget.You are using my scan there
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BDE Phoenix force, Captain Marvel stuff
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Ah that one. Thanks for that btw, excellent scan
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Actually seeing your demonic physiology part I have a question regarding Dagger since she seems to be capable of fully destroying a demon and seems some of the stuff there might grant some extra OP abilities to her. How much of that do you think it would apply to her?
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That's powerful holy manipulation and negation of demon immortalities.
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Everything looks good.
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I'm gonna reply to the op but not check all the other comments yet, so apologies if I miss some corrections, additions or I repeat things that ahve already been said by someone.
https://imgur.com/a/iron-man-2024-1-YJq6cUN
https://imgur.com/a/marvel-book-expand-knowledge-of-vast-comics-universe-i5iPoCG
When the Eye of Agamotto was looking for new hosts, it even occurred that the Hood himself may have become SS, despite his ignorance. The Eye then chose Brother Voodoo and made him SS, who iirc went through training and education under Strange himself to refine himself as SS.
Lastly, Strange suggested making Wiccan the new SS, but he was still quite green as a sorcerer and was implied to need further guidance.
Of course we're talking of a single storyline against the mammoth Marvel continuity, but in my view the position of Sorcerer Supreme is more about raw magical potency and potential, rather than authomatic acquisition of a whole set of spells and skills,
I know it's a controversial take, but I'm wary of the escalations it would bring to.
I'd still endorse having it being resistance to ESP, because there's no real stealth skill involved.
We could use a new ability called maybe Cloaking or else, but that's a topic for another time.
https://imgur.com/a/marvel-universe-map-by-map-9TBvmmj
For the first one, she is seemingly being affected, reason why she is stated to be "choking" and needs a counterspell. We don't know, I believe, how effective the corrosion is and how much of it she is taking face-front, and her overal dire situation would contradict her being resistant to it.
For the second, I see it more as Attack Reflection, since she reverted the attack, instead of enduring it.
The rest is good.
Maybe in a sort of way yes, since they are raw energy spawning from it, so maybe in their pure and more original form they are one with the realm, but idk.
Maybe we can stuff all of that on the file and add Avatar Creation to describe how they actually manifest in other realms.
Quite the word salad, but it seems straightforward.
I'm not sure about this, because from what I see, nothing confirms affecting the soul actually alters reality and history itself, despite said soul containing "history" as a information or "temporal essence" or whatever allowed Doom to use it to guide his time travel.
Looks ok, but I'd call it resistance to ESP. Another scan that shows the same is Hood's file, under this same ability, due to SHIELD's sensors not registering Parker's presence due to his powers being magical in nature.
https://imgur.com/a/iron-man-2024-1-YJq6cUN
Ig it's ok.
https://imgur.com/a/marvel-book-expand-knowledge-of-vast-comics-universe-i5iPoCG
This is ok (I pointed it out in the first place uwu), but after working on the Hood, I began questioning whether all Sorcerer Supremes can be considered equals in knowledge, skill and capacity, rather than raw power.
When the Eye of Agamotto was looking for new hosts, it even occurred that the Hood himself may have become SS, despite his ignorance. The Eye then chose Brother Voodoo and made him SS, who iirc went through training and education under Strange himself to refine himself as SS.
Lastly, Strange suggested making Wiccan the new SS, but he was still quite green as a sorcerer and was implied to need further guidance.
Of course we're talking of a single storyline against the mammoth Marvel continuity, but in my view the position of Sorcerer Supreme is more about raw magical potency and potential, rather than authomatic acquisition of a whole set of spells and skills,
I'm skeptical about this, because I wouldn't automatically assume comics characters have all their "combined skillset" at all times, especially the more exotic and plot-breaking such as these ones, unless explicitly mentioned in the story itself.
I know it's a controversial take, but I'm wary of the escalations it would bring to.
It's ok.
I can't access any of these links.
These look ok
I've been encountering cases such as this a lot lately, and even just up here.
I'd still endorse having it being resistance to ESP, because there's no real stealth skill involved.
We could use a new ability called maybe Cloaking or else, but that's a topic for another time.
I don't think this is a resistance to Density Manipulation, because I see the instances as separate. Vision's powers are first stated to be ineffective, and that's ok, but the second time his powers fail due to the physiology of his foe, not the contrast between magic and science.
This seems to be a characteristic of the mystical realms, not of magical beings as a whole.
https://imgur.com/a/marvel-universe-map-by-map-9TBvmmj
These look good.
Sounds ok
Sure
Lmao, ok.
These sound ok
Can't speka for this one
What's the difference between the two?
I honestly don't see the relation
Looks ok
Same as before, two doubts, one agreement
ok
Power Nullification, I'd say.
Ok
I'd pull the brakes on this, as I have personally put them on other potential scalings to Black Cat which I have found on my path, because I feel like BC's High 8-C may use serious scrutiny, considering how outdated her files is and what her overall portrayal is and has been.
Looks ok, but is the white inside her body just censorship or is it a sort of astral projection thing?
All of these look ok, I just have to question the resistances to acid and death.
For the first one, she is seemingly being affected, reason why she is stated to be "choking" and needs a counterspell. We don't know, I believe, how effective the corrosion is and how much of it she is taking face-front, and her overal dire situation would contradict her being resistant to it.
For the second, I see it more as Attack Reflection, since she reverted the attack, instead of enduring it.
Pain Tolerance isn't a resistance, but "just" stamina. This is a misunderstanding that's been widely polluting the wiki and it's being corrected slowly.
The rest is good.
Sounds ok.
I'm not sure why the Mindless Ones would share so many characteristics of their home realm, to be honest.
Maybe in a sort of way yes, since they are raw energy spawning from it, so maybe in their pure and more original form they are one with the realm, but idk.
Maybe we can stuff all of that on the file and add Avatar Creation to describe how they actually manifest in other realms.
I would say those characteristics are general properties of magic, of its potential and application, but I'm unsure if just being creatures of magic grants instant resistance to them, considering magic's many manifestations and forms.
Should be ok, but only for their forms in the mystical realms, as opposed to their manifestations in mundane ones.
Seems generally ok, but I don't see the involvement of Info and Data Manip.
Couldn't it be a weakness of John's powers, rather than an overall resistance of magical beings?
Seems ok, but again, likely only in their non-manifested forms.
As above.
That's all good
I'd put it as a possibly, simply because nothing straight up tells us they wouldn't be able to come back in a way or another, and falls in a similar place to my Dr. Strange's scrutiny above.
Looks good, but I'd put Nightmare's as a likely, for it's only one guidebook statement and demon is overall a very loose term.
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oh right
you should change type 2 Bde to type 3 now, since BDE page has changed and type 3 added for qualitative (1-A and above) being because of this thread.
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Since it would technically be affecting one's personal timeline, I figure(d) that it is causality manipulation on the personal level
Wouldn't it be both?
I'll be trying to fix this in my next CRT
I'll be trying to fix this in my next CRT
Crap, again? I'll try working on it
It's in the same issue as the Strange Gwenpool feat above, for reference, and takes place right before Strange alters causality/information
As I said above, it could be both
So what would resisting all science powers be considered?
Witchcraft is somewhat different from standard sorcery and is its own branch of magic
Unreal beings qualify for Type 5 immortality, per the description for type 5
Thanks, will add
So you disagree with High 8-C for physical Scarlet Witch?
Because her skin and body weren't burnt at all by the acid, it choking her was like if a water or sludge attack was choking her.
In the first panel we see the death magic touch her and she's fine
Fair enough, I just saw other profiles using that format on the wiki.
I mean they are much weaker in non-magical realms, but this applies to the nature of them due to them being naturally mystic beings outside of space time and whatnot.
True but they're literally expressions of magic made manifest
The "beyond numbers and theorems" part
Nothing seems to indicate that, and since magic naturally warps reality it makes sense that reality warping doesn't affect them.
I mean if they would come back they wouldn't be so terrified of being wiped from existence.
He's been called a demon in other handbooks before.
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I'll just change it for all the Abstracts in the next part of my CRT
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There's actually a lot of times where Nightmare is refered to as demon. Like, really a lot. Just one example here.
IIRC, there's a time where he's also adressed as a deity, but I need to check it more.
IIRC, there's a time where he's also adressed as a deity, but I need to check it more.
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Found it. Don't know if it's valid for him to have God Physiology.
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Not on its own but good to know in case I find anything else supporting it.
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It contains one's personal timeline, including their past.
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That was a lot of new information, however i agree with OP. When Marvel 1-A High?
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When Ultima returns and reopens Goofy's cosmology thread
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i agree this looks good
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I believe we'd need further proof of soul manipulation having actual effects on the timestream, rather than being a "simple" matter of metaphysical information coding.
I don't think so, because otherwise even invisibility would count as such.
Stealth mastery by definition implies skill in hiding, skeaning, going unperceivedand such, rather than using hax to reach these achievements.
Then I know what you're referring to and I agree
I don't know, it's a sentence put there to sound cool and without further detailing it's impossible and pointless to label it clearly
I can't really argue on this, I'm not knowledgeable on the Marvel magic department
You need to qualify for Nonexistent Physiology though and while Loki makes a comparison between what it means to be "real" in a conventional and unconventional sense, gods still exist, so they still die, and have done so plenty of times.
Not by default, but I'm skeptical on the scaling, because I'm not totally sure that a little-detailed and outdated profile like Black Cat's may really deserve her rating, given most of her portrayals, kinda like Kraven used to be High 8-C before my revision.
Also, we should also look at potential antifeats for Scarlet Witch. Does she showcase such levels of physical strength, either through feats or scaling, on a more regular basis?
Maybe we can rule it out as a possibly, because we don't know the potency of the acid, how much was actually splashed on her and the whole encounter is very brief.
I think she isn't being affected because she instantly hijacked and reverted the spell via her own magical knowledge, as she says in the second panel, instead of taking the blunt of it and ignoring its effects.
Yeah, it's sort of a problem, because pushing through pain is different from not feeling it at all or being immune to, well, the manipulation of pain itself.
That's why I believe this may apply only to their oiriginal state and not their manifestations, as we often see them being pummeled around like nothing, and it also makes sense for their projections in mundane realms not not carry on properties typical of mystical realms, whose nature is so fundamentally different, similarly to many other abstract and incorporeal beings manifesting through avatars.
You mean magic creatures?
Because I believe it could be the same as for the Mindless Ones, congealed magic that takes a precise shape and form, but in actuality, acts as any other living being in the real work, aside from exotic properties and powers that stem from magic.
Abstract informations and especially digital data are different things, though. They may include numbers and theorems, but they're only a slight part of their whole composition.
Not necessarily, having a power doesn't mean resisting the power itself.
I hinge more on Mephisto stating that his specific powers don't work on magical beings, rather than all magical beings resisitng all forms of reality warping itself.
It's the aristotelian syllogism of induction and deduction, of using a specific case to determine a universal law, rather than the other way around.
It's my same issue as above, of assuming that the more extreme demonstrations of power and survivability may not always be intended to be at place in a story.
But, considering we're talking of a nearly-omnipotent entity, I can accept it, maybe as a "likely" considering we don't have straight up confirmation.
I may give it the greenlight then, but I'm afraid of all these loose terms being thrown around, such as gods and demons, which may lead to the overlapping of different physiologies.
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How about "Limited Causality Manipulation" since it's only on the personal level? I believe that Dragon Ball Super has something similar.
That's more of a wiki problem of usage, even though IMO you're not wrong.
I mean there are multiple instances of scientific powers just...not working on magical creatures or armors.
For example, Frost giants can withstand Havok's energy blasts due to their magical nature, and Havok's mutant power is to generate plasma blasts
You don't need NEP to qualify for Type 5 Immortality, there are multiple type 5's on the wiki without NEP.
I mean that's what current Black Cat scales to, and I can't think of any major anti-feats for Scarlet Witch (at least not her modern version) that would put her physicality below that level.
Her skin and body aren't affected at all after a period of contact with a material stated flat-out to be corrosive, she resisted it.
We still see her being physically touched by the spell.
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