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Honkai Impact 3rd

Voidnether said:
Weaponized autism would be powerscaling slop like world of darkness with whatever jargons they had then some verses using IT as the example
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Tralalelo tralala tung tung sahur meta quality vs capucchino assasino bombardilo crocodilo gangazeli trulala supra infinite quality who wins?
 
Ok quick question, where does the 3-B scaling start from? Is it Phainon burning all those galaxies or is it from another character?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
yes + the lord ravagers incinerating galaxies statement
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The second one is fine.

But the first one is weird to scale as in this same form, Phainon proceeds to scratch Nanook with his remaining strength, and visually speaking, it's kinda clear that the giant fire Phainon is meant to be a lot stronger than his regular self. So 3-B is being scaled off of a form that is 1-B.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The second one is fine.

But the first one is weird to scale as in this same form, Phainon proceeds to scratch Nanook with his remaining strength, and visually speaking, it's kinda clear that the giant fire Phainon is meant to be a lot stronger than his regular self. So 3-B is being scaled off of a form that is 1-B.
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Then id probably have to bring the values back to baseline since the calc got accepted right after the crt scaling got accepted
and keep Phainon as 1-B entirely
tho this would probably place rest of emanators there but i think theres proper explanation for that case in hsr thread by @Yanina92
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Then id probably have to bring the values back to baseline since the calc got accepted right after the crt scaling got accepted
and keep Phainon as 1-B entirely
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Yeah but the thing is that the short makes it pretty clear that the giant fire form he uses to scratch Nanook is something that's beyond what he's regularly capable of, not to mention the form dissipates almost instantly.

What I'm saying is that I don't think anyone should really scale Phainon's giant fire form and that anything regarding scaling should moreso be referring to his base self.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Yeah but the thing is that the short makes it pretty clear that the giant fire form he uses to scratch Nanook is something that's beyond what he's regularly capable of, not to mention the form dissipates almost instantly.

What I'm saying is that I don't think anyone should really scale Phainon's giant fire form and that anything regarding scaling should moreso be referring to his base self.
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I mean i agreed with 1-B at his peak you proposed in the crt so that can stay and his 3-B value back to baseline ig theres like nothing else to change
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The second one is fine.

But the first one is weird to scale as in this same form, Phainon proceeds to scratch Nanook with his remaining strength, and visually speaking, it's kinda clear that the giant fire Phainon is meant to be a lot stronger than his regular self. So 3-B is being scaled off of a form that is 1-B.
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I agree with not everyone scaling from it, but the 1-B ones and peak Emanators should do in other stats because they are much stronger than Phainon. I can see why the weak ones doesn't scale though.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The second one is fine.

But the first one is weird to scale as in this same form, Phainon proceeds to scratch Nanook with his remaining strength, and visually speaking, it's kinda clear that the giant fire Phainon is meant to be a lot stronger than his regular self. So 3-B is being scaled off of a form that is 1-B.
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I mean, we can still scale Phainon's feat itself to the rest of the Emanators, since it is consistent with Lord Ravagers incinerating entire galaxies, Herta creating several galaxies, Dominicus affecting the Dreamscape, which is the size of the Asdana Galaxy and etc, while Phainon himself can be 1-B. For example, what I am suggesting is like the scaling of a suppressed Beerus' feat of destroying the Universe 7 (3 universes) to the rest of majority of DBS characters who scales to being superior to a Beerus who is holding back, while Beerus himself scales to far higher (6 universes) than that actually
 
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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I mean, we can still scale Phainon's feat itself to the rest of the Emanators, since it is consistent with Lord Ravagers incinerating entire galaxies, Herta creating several galaxies, Dominicus affecting the Dreamscape, which is the size of the Asdana Galaxy and etc, while Phainon himself can be 1-B. For example, what I am suggesting is like the scaling of a suppressed Beerus' feat of destroying the Universe 7 (3 universes) to the rest of majority of DBS characters who scales to being superior to a Beerus who is holding back, while Beerus himself scales to far higher (6 universes) than that actually
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True
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I mean, we can still scale Phainon's feat itself to the rest of the Emanators, since it is consistent with Lord Ravagers incinerating entire galaxies, Herta creating several galaxies, Dominicus affecting the Dreamscape, which is the size of the Asdana Galaxy and etc, while Phainon himself can be 1-B. For example, what I am suggesting is like the scaling of a suppressed Beerus' feat of destroying the Universe 7 (3 universes) to the rest of majority of DBS characters who scales to being superior to a Beerus who is holding back, while Beerus himself scales to far higher (6 universes) than that actually
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All three you listed are within the 3-C range, not 3-B. And the problem comes from that they scale to a form that's actually 1-B who happened to also perform a 3-B feat. Which means you either place all 3-B characters at straight up 1-B or you downgrade the 3-Bs to 3-C.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
All three you listed are within the 3-C range, not 3-B. And the problem comes from that they scale to a form that's actually 1-B who happened to also perform a 3-B feat. Which means you either place all 3-B characters at straight up 1-B or you downgrade the 3-Bs to 3-C.
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Why would they be 3-C instead of 3-B when there are several instances of the galaxy being destroyed is like multiple galaxies? I mean, this is ignoring that the average size of a galaxy in HSR spans millions of lightyears and like Welkin Empire having various star systems, their size is tens of thousands of lightyears
 
Voidnether said:
Why would they be 3-C instead of 3-B when there are several instances of the galaxy being destroyed is like multiple galaxies? I mean, this is ignoring that the average size of a galaxy in HSR spans millions of lightyears and like Welkin Empire having various star systems, their size is tens of thousands of lightyears
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Do we have calcs for that? Otherwise, standardly they would be assumed to just be 3-C.
 
The only one I know is Herta's feat being 3-C+. The Emanator statement would simply be baseline. Stuff like the Asdana galaxy requires a proper calculation of its own.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The only one I know is Herta's feat being 3-C+. The Emanator statement would simply be baseline. Stuff like the Asdana galaxy requires a proper calculation of its own.
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For some reason, we still doesn't have a proper calc for an Lord Ravager incinerating entire galaxies despite this statement being on the game since 1.0 version, but yeah, the Asdana galaxy also needs a calc too
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
All three you listed are within the 3-C range, not 3-B. And the problem comes from that they scale to a form that's actually 1-B who happened to also perform a 3-B feat. Which means you either place all 3-B characters at straight up 1-B or you downgrade the 3-Bs to 3-C.
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I mean I’m fine with 1-B yanqing.

Voidnether said:
@Yanina92 @CastoriceTheFifth Do we have other 3-B calcs than Phainon
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Pinging does nothing bro. Also no, we don’t because the Asdana galaxy never got calc’d.

Voidnether said:
Why would they be 3-C instead of 3-B when there are several instances of the galaxy being destroyed is like multiple galaxies? I mean, this is ignoring that the average size of a galaxy in HSR spans millions of lightyears and like Welkin Empire having various star systems, their size is tens of thousands of lightyears
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We really need to start using the size of the asdana galaxy for any galaxy feat man.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Another question, what's to assume that every galaxy within HSR is comparable to the asdana galaxy?
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This, and this
Unless it was shown that their size resembles that of a Milky Way which is the third smallest galaxy, Asdana being atleast 2 millions lightyears in size isn't that much different from the largest galaxy (ESO 383-76) because Welkin Empire that had various star systems spanned tens of thousands of lightyears (20k lightyears to 99k lightyears) as a various star system
 
I think someone needs to do an crt for flamescion kiana, god otto and the kalpas false statement bcs it was an mistranslation too (idk how to do crt, I promised to do the mage & demon queen one :confused:)
 
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