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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Grabbing_dragon said:
After thinking a bit more, I don’t think that proves something is the whatness (the quality that makes something what it is). The purest, most original form part proves there are the archetype/prototype.
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Grabbing_dragon said:
Yes, a thing can have more than one quality/universal governing it.
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I won't take you seriously you think being a natural phenomenal means you're the "original" thing, an archetype defines everything, for example a perfect chair is the idea of the chair and everything else are representation of it, that's indeed type 1 CM1 but spirits are "Natural phenomena” which just means any event or process that happens in nature, without artificial interference. Like
Fire spirit is combustion and burning of oxygen
Now a principle is defined as how something behaves and a law enforces those principles (and attributes that are those laws themselves, spirits attrubutes)
Principle = the truth of what something is.
Law = how that truth consistently applied
So the very attribute of Space is

Principle: Space separates and positions things. Why is this the principle well....Space governs “isolation”, that which isolates wind, and is strong against wind, and cuts through dimensions. That means:
Isolation → The essence of space is to keep things apart, giving them boundaries.
Strong against wind → Because space defines the “container” wind moves through, it can block or limit it.
Laws:? Maybe the law that all things exist within Space
Well anywho, this is it
If we delete the spirit of Space we delete the essence of Space, what defines space and how it acts on all things
 
Grabbing_dragon said:



For example, there are countless tables in the world but the Form of tableness is at the core; it is the essence of all of them
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Given that, wouldn’t something described as the purest and most original state of a phenomenon , like “tableness” in your example, be its essence, since it's what defines all its instances?

Isn’t that exactly what Plato meant when he said Forms are that without which a thing would not be what it is?

And since a Form isn’t a temporal prototype but an ontological constant, wouldn’t calling a concept the “purest and most original state” imply that it’s not just an early model, but the core essence from which all instances derive?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
No. Even with pocket dimension with size of rooms can have different time flow. That doesn't mean they will have different timeline in literal. You need feats/statement to prove that said space has a past present and future in some way.
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The time axis literally means a different timeline here ,each other world has its own dimension of time as in it has its own timeline that is independent from the other ,which shows that the timeline flowing in the subspace is different from the time flowing in the otherworlds
You already know that otherworlds are different worldlines thats what different time axis means here ,
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
How is Veldanava encompassing space and time when they didn’t exist at the beginning, when he was alone in the world? 😭😭 And yeah, things are difficult since it requires certain feats.
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Come on, man. We have a statement confirming that God is all-encompassing, and Michael becoming a part of Him upon death further proves that His nature still contains all things in all in one nature.

So the fact that He was alone at the beginning doesn’t really matter.
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
The time axis literally means a different timeline here ,each other world has its own dimension of time as in it has its own timeline that is independent from the other ,which shows that the timeline flowing in the subspace is different from the time flowing in the otherworlds
You already know that otherworlds are different worldlines thats what different time axis means here ,
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Subspace and the worlds within it are different things. Even the laws of Subspace are different. So you can't just claim that, just because the worlds that exist inside Subspace have timelines, we can assume that Subspace itself also has a timeline.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Subspace and the worlds within it are different things. Even the laws of Subspace are different. So you can't just claim that, just because the worlds that exist inside Subspace have timelines, we can assume that Subspace itself also has a timeline.
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I'm not really interested in the argument itself, but what exactly do you mean by this?

So, are you saying:

* Each world within Subspace has its own space-time?

* Subspace contains those timelines?

* Subspace itself has time, specifically, a different time from the world-lines?

* But since it's never explicitly stated that Subspace operates on a separate time axis, Subspace time = world-line time, just with a different flow?

* And since Subspace contains multiple worlds and world-lines, we can’t assume it’s tied to just one, so all world-lines share the same Subspace time?

* Which would mean: A world-line’s time = B world-line’s time = all worlds share the same space-time ?

* Then where does the concept of separate space-time continua even go?

Can you at least clarify this consistently, without contradiction?

Note: All worlds have their own distinct laws, so Subspace having different laws isn’t unusual.
 
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Subspace time is an optical illusion, meaning it's a non-Euclidean geometrical dimension, as the past, present, and future are all jumbled up there
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
I'm not really interested in the argument itself, but what exactly do you mean by this?

So, are you saying:

* Each world within Subspace has its own space-time?

* Subspace contains those timelines?

* Subspace itself has time, specifically, a different time from the world-lines?

* But since it's never explicitly stated that Subspace operates on a separate time axis, Subspace time = world-line time, just with a different flow?

* And since Subspace contains multiple worlds and world-lines, we can’t assume it’s tied to just one, so all world-lines share the same Subspace time?

* Which would mean: A world-line’s time = B world-line’s time = all worlds share the same space-time ?

* Then where does the concept of separate space-time continua even go?

Can you at least clarify this consistently, without contradiction?

Note: All worlds have their own distinct laws, so Subspace having different laws isn’t unusual.
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I really don't know what you are talking about.
 
Mizuki67 said:
I won't take you seriously you think being a natural phenomenal means you're the "original" thing, an archetype defines everything, for example a perfect chair is the idea of the chair and everything else are representation of it, that's indeed type 1 CM1 but spirits are "Natural phenomena” which just means any event or process that happens in nature, without artificial interference. Like
Fire spirit is combustion and burning of oxygen
Now a principle is defined as how something behaves and a law enforces those principles (and attributes that are those laws themselves, spirits attrubutes)
Principle = the truth of what something is.
Law = how that truth consistently applied
So the very attribute of Space is

Principle: Space separates and positions things. Why is this the principle well....Space governs “isolation”, that which isolates wind, and is strong against wind, and cuts through dimensions. That means:
Isolation → The essence of space is to keep things apart, giving them boundaries.
Strong against wind → Because space defines the “container” wind moves through, it can block or limit it.
Laws:? Maybe the law that all things exist within Space
Well anywho, this is it
If we delete the spirit of Space we delete the essence of Space, what defines space and how it acts on all things
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If it’s enough to be accepted, good luck. To me, it seems to be concepts that are laws and the purest, most original form thing. I can say I was mistaken about that part, but I wasn’t mistaken about it not being essence/whatness.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Come on, man. We have a statement confirming that God is all-encompassing, and Michael becoming a part of Him upon death further proves that His nature still contains all things in all in one nature.

So the fact that He was alone at the beginning doesn’t really matter.
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If everything still existed as one, there would be no differentiations between characters, everyone would be one. No differences between worlds. past, present, and future would all happen at the same time, etc. Everything would be one. So, god is encompassing everything with differentiations.
 
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Violatas said:
I woke up to three pages 🥲
Anyways on God I agree we should prolly wait on volume 23 to really tackle that in a CRT. If it comes out this year then even better since we're already halfway through the year.
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Yeah, Volume 23 should be coming out this year since he finished volume 22 and submitted it last October. Hopefully, it instantly resolves the Ivarage Cliff-hanger when they put out the previews 🙏
 
SweetDao said:
God being a Monad whose full power was to create a Solar System... Peak
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Ivarage will destroy Rimuru. Then Rimuru will appear before God. Rimuru will ask God "who **** you are?". God will say a ton of philosophical nonsense. Then God will resurrect Rimuru even more powerfully. Rimuru will defeat Ivaraj and then return to his old life.

The end...

So it is not impossible 😇
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
If it’s enough to be accepted, good luck. To me, it seems to be concepts that are laws and the purest, most original form thing. I can say I was mistaken about that part, but I wasn’t mistaken about it not being essence/whatness.

If everything still existed as one, there would be no differentiations between characters, everyone would be one. No differences between worlds. past, present, and future would all happen at the same time, etc. Everything would be one. So, he is encompassing everything with differentiations.
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That’s why he gave up his omnipotence, because although he knew everything, he wanted to experience the world firsthand.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
That’s why he gave up his omnipotence
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anti feat
smilingbucktooth.jpg
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Subspace and the worlds within it are different things. Even the laws of Subspace are different. So you can't just claim that, just because the worlds that exist inside Subspace have timelines, we can assume that Subspace itself also has a timeline.
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The author said that time flows in the subsapce its just that yuuki but cant interact with info particles thus he cant observe it thats why i said the subsapce has its own timeline ,its also directly said to be an otherworld by itself
 
Wesker018 said:
isekais can have harem tho
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Despite Rimuru’s pervertedness and the characters who like him, Tensura won’t have a harem ending because Rimuru hasn’t developed romantic feelings. He even banned the harem itself, and that’s why Benimaru is the GOAT. meaning Tensura doesn’t count as a true harem, unlike Isekai at Peace and some other isekais
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Already explained why its not an anti-feat
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Personally, I have recently become more confident point of "God gave up omnipotence" will be explained in detail. Although Veldanava in Volume 16 seems says otherwise, Michael's final thoughts in Volume 19 and Ivarage's words in Volume 22 imply that God still exists.


Also the phrase "perhaps this was the will of the ancient ruler that created the world" mentioned here clearly refers to God.

I don't know if Veldanava and Ivarage are just avatars, or two halves of just small piece of God's will, or something else, but whatever the outcome, God probably hasn't truly given up on omnipotence.

Just wait Volume 23.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Personally, I have recently become more confident point of "God gave up omnipotence" will be explained in detail. Although Veldanava in Volume 16 seems says otherwise, Michael's final thoughts in Volume 19 and Ivarage's words in Volume 22 imply that God still exists.


Also the phrase "perhaps this was the will of the ancient ruler that created the world" mentioned here clearly refers to God.

I don't know if Veldanava and Ivarage are just avatars, or two halves of just small piece of God's will, or something else, but whatever the outcome, God probably hasn't truly given up on omnipotence.

Just wait Volume 23.
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its like abandoning your body to do whatever the **** you want in another realm because your body is too big to fit inside the gate of such realm
 
I asked SeijiSetto about the compound 弱小, specifically how the kanji is used, considering it's an idiomatic expression. He said it usually refers to power-related aspects, such as weakness, lack of influence, low durability, or feebleness, but depending on the context, it can also imply smallness in size.

However, considering the whole magicules = durability concept, the faster-than-light speed feats, and other similar elements, interpreting it as referring to small size doesn’t quite fit. It makes much more sense for it to mean a weak (less durable) world in this context.

So they need to prove why 弱小 should be interpreted as referring to small size, rather than its usual meaning "Weakness or power". They justified it using the Velgrynd's statement, but that can be addressed I think.
 
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Grabbing_dragon said:
Despite Rimuru’s pervertedness and the characters who like him, Tensura won’t have a harem ending because Rimuru hasn’t developed romantic feelings.
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I don't think he'll end up with anyone by the time the series ends, but if he does I hope it's Hinata. He technically has been blatantly been crushing on her quite a bit which is made pretty evident in later volumes.
She's also the least weird love interest
 
Violatas said:
I don't think he'll end up with anyone by the time the series ends, but if he does I hope it's Hinata. He technically has been blatantly been crushing on her quite a bit which is made pretty evident in later volumes.
She's also the least weird love interest
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Crazy to think that Fuses original plot was for Hinata to be beheaded by the church and her head placed on a spike. Then Rimuru would get mad and become a demon lord by destroying the church.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
I asked SeijiSetto about the compound 弱小, specifically how the kanji is used, considering it's an idiomatic expression. He said it usually refers to power-related aspects, such as weakness, lack of influence, low durability, or feebleness, but with enough context, it can also imply smallness in size.
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i did not say "with enough context", all i said was "it depends on context". evaluate it based on how the text is using it.
it's only a slight change in wording but it implies something i did not mean
 
Violatas said:
I don't think he'll end up with anyone by the time the series ends, but if he does I hope it's Hinata. He technically has been blatantly been crushing on her quite a bit which is made pretty evident in later volumes.
She's also the least weird love interest
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We are friends now
SeijiSetto said:
i did not say "with enough context", all i said was "it depends on context". evaluate it based on how the text is using it.
it's only a slight change in wording but it implies something i did not mean
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I said “enough context” because a common word with a general meaning can take on a different nuance  if the necessary context is there.


But okay , I've changed it .
 
CodeCCLL said:
Personally, I have recently become more confident point of "God gave up omnipotence" will be explained in detail. Although Veldanava in Volume 16 seems says otherwise, Michael's final thoughts in Volume 19 and Ivarage's words in Volume 22 imply that God still exists.


Also the phrase "perhaps this was the will of the ancient ruler that created the world" mentioned here clearly refers to God.

I don't know if Veldanava and Ivarage are just avatars, or two halves of just small piece of God's will, or something else, but whatever the outcome, God probably hasn't truly given up on omnipotence.

Just wait Volume 23.
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they are two different side of the same coin
 
Violatas said:
Fuse is an Akame ga Kill fan...
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Meanwhile, the author of Akame ga Kill is now writing a true harem, which is Chained Soldier. The MC is a slave to his harem 😭😭. At the same time, he adds every girl he meets to his harem with his slave rizz. The author even made it so that villains who have died created a world inside him or something like that, so they’re still part of his harem. It’s heaven compared to Akame ga Kill, where characters die every episode.
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
Meanwhile, the author of Akame ga Kill is now writing a true harem, which is Chained Soldier. The MC is a slave to his harem 😭😭. At the same time, he adds every girl he meets to his harem with his slave rizz. The author even made it so that villains who have died created a world inside him or something like that, so they’re still part of his harem. It’s heaven compared to Akame ga Kill, where characters die every episode.
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Oh he's still around. Last I heard was how one of the AgK spin offs got cancelled cause it was just that bad lmao
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
The author said that time flows in the subsapce its just that yuuki but cant interact with info particles thus he cant observe it thats why i said the subsapce has its own timeline ,its also directly said to be an otherworld by itself
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No one is denying the different time flow. What I'm saying is having a different time flow means nothing unless you have proof for it having a past, present and future.
Take Bleach Garganta for example it feats the scenario here. Which also got rejected for same reason iirc.
 
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