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If only the wank were as consistent for improving the scaling chains and hax and layering as it was for the tiering...
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New physical size of the DC universe (upgrade)
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There's at least a dozen infinite/endless universe statements for DC:
- The Narrator calls it Infinite - Action Comics Vol 1 #63, August 1943 | Don Cameron
- Stated by the Narrator to be an Infinite Void - Superman Vol 1 #58, May 1949 | William Woolfolk
- The Narrator states the Cosmos is Infinite - Superman Vol 1 #91, August 1954 | Al Plastino
- Hal Jordan states the Universe is Infinite - Justice League of America Vol 1 #80, May 1970 | Dennis O'Neil
- The Narrator states there to be Infinite Vastness - DC Comics Presents Vol 1 #28, December 1980 | Len Wein
- The Universe contains limitless Darkness - DC Comics Presents Vol 1 #29, January 1981 | Len Wein
- The narrator states the darkness of space is infinite and eternal - Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #1, May 1981 | Len Wein, Mike W. Barr
- The Universe is called "The Infinite" - Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #1, May 1981 | Len Wein, Mike W. Barr
- The narrator states space and time are limitless - Arion Lord of Atlantis Vol 1 #1, November 1982 | Paul Kupperberg
- The narrator states there is endless/limitless space - Superman Vol 1 #397, July 1984 | Paul Kupperberg
- Superman later says there's infinite space - Superman Vol 1 #397, July 1984 | Paul Kupperberg
- Trigon calls it endless - The New Teen Titans Vol 2 #5, November 1985 | Marv Wolfman, George Perez
- "Eternity Long flight through space" Legion of Superheroes 262
- "Endless universe" Tales of the Legion 319
Post-Crisis:
- Infinity and the Universe are used interchangeably - History of the DC Universe Vol 1 #1, January, 1987 | Marv Wolfman
- The Universe is referred to as an Infinite Void - Secret Origins Vol 2 #10, January 1987 | Dan Mishkin
- A GL who became one with the universe calls it infinite - Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219, December 1987 | Steve Englehart
- The Narrator calls space "The Infinite" - Millennium Vol 1 #6, February 1988 | Steve Englehart
- It is a limitless cosmos - Justice League International Vol 1 #18, October, 1988 | Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis
- The Greek Goddess Phoebe states space is infinite - New Titans Vol. 1 51, January 1989 | Marv Wolfman, George Pérez
- Hfuhruhurr (someone who traveled the cosmos) states the Universe is Infinite -Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452, March 1989 | Dan Jurgens
- Orion states the Universe is Infinite - New Gods Vol 3 #18, July 1990 | Mark Evanier, Paris Cullins
- Lar Grand states there's infinite space despite life-supply - New Gods Vol 3 #19, August 1990 | Mark Evanier
- Infinite Wonder - Superman Vol 2 #65, March 1992 | Dan Jurgens
- Cyborg Superman calls it an Infinite Void - Superman Vol 2 #78, June 1993 | Dan Jurgens
- The Tribunal states there's Infinite Cosmos and Time - Superman Vol 2 #106, November 1995 | Dan Jurgens
- There are Infinite gulfs of space - Superman: The Man of Tomorrow Vol 1 #1000000, November, 1998 | Mark Schultz
- Kal's parents call it endless - Superman: The Last God of Krypton, 1999 | Walt Simonson
- Later, the Narrator calls it an endless void - Superman: The Last God of Krypton, 1999 | Walt Simonson
- Superman calls two Big Bangs two infinities - Action Comics Vol 1 #782, October 2001 | Joe Kelly
- The narrator confirms these Big Bangs are Infinite - Action Comics Vol 1 #782, October 2001 | Joe Kelly
- Space is infinitely bigger than Stars- Green Lantern Vol 3 #165, July 2003 | Ben Raab
- The Universe is Endless - Superman: The Kansas Sighting Vol 1 #1, November, 2003 | J.M. DeMatteis
- Each Universe contains a variation of infinite heroes and villains - Countdown Vol. 1 #1, April 2008 | Paul Dini
- Libra states there is infinite space - Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1, February 2009 | Len Wein
- Dawnstar refers to the universe as "The Creator's Infinite Mystery" Legion of Super-Heroes vol 3 25
Rebirth:
- A Teacher states the Universe is Infinite - Sideways Vol 1 #1, April 2018 | Dan DiDio, Justin Jordan
- The Narrator states it's infinite and expanding - Justice League Vol 4 Annual #1, March 2019 | James Tynion IV, Scott Snyder
- The Universe is said to have Infinite Mass - Twitter Statement, July 2020 | Robert Venditti
- An Endless Void - Superman Red and Blue Vol 1 #3, July 2021 | Jesse J. Holland
- Space is seen as limitless and contains an infinite variety of planets/celestial bodies - The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained, November 2021 | Stephen Wiacek
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We have gone over this before. Yes, writers have alleged that it's infinite, but the Source Wall's overarching existence shows that it's demonstrably finite.
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I was answering Klol's question.
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The Source Wall in ofitself is also Infinite so how does this prove anything? What better to contain Infinity than Infinity?
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This literal thread puts a limit and size to the Universe, lmao.
It's just so big it appears endless, that's it.
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Yeah I don't care about that, I responded to the other guy for a reason
he said that back then the universe couldn't be infinite because of the Source Wall's existence, but that's faulty reasoning because the Source Wall is also Infinite.
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I share the sentiment.
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i just want a recalc tbh, but still, most of the speed calcs uses the 100 trillion light year statement, which was like what, post-zero hour pre-infinite crisis era, if we're going by different reboots, then it shouldn't be used as reference
here's a list that uses it
pre COIE
Using 4 probes, Hal searches the universe in a heartbeat
pre-infinite crisis
Darkseid and Highfather fly to the edge of the universe
Wonder Woman Blocks The Shattered God
post-infinite crisis, (before anything else, yes it was a reboot Continuity changes during Infinite Crisis)
Guy and Hal fly across the universe
new 52
Superman flies to the edge of the Universe
rebirth
Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz and Rami goes to the Edge of the Universe
post-death metal
Val Zod travel to the Edge of the Universe
here's a list that uses it
pre COIE
Using 4 probes, Hal searches the universe in a heartbeat
pre-infinite crisis
Darkseid and Highfather fly to the edge of the universe
Wonder Woman Blocks The Shattered God
post-infinite crisis, (before anything else, yes it was a reboot Continuity changes during Infinite Crisis)
Guy and Hal fly across the universe
new 52
Superman flies to the edge of the Universe
rebirth
Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz and Rami goes to the Edge of the Universe
post-death metal
Val Zod travel to the Edge of the Universe
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This proves that a universe has boundaries and has therefore a finite size. There are many stories of characters traveling across the universe or reaching its limits, indicating that it is not truly infinite, but just very large.
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I mean, technically there can still be an infinite distance between both ends of the Source Wall (ex: how many decimal numbers are between "1" and "2"). Does the Source Wall still cover the edge of universe? I thought the 52 Monitors made it that way, who were erased at the end of Final Crisis?
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It can have "bounds" and still be infinite, the source Wall could just be a greater Infinity, and once again, Infinity holds in Infinity. I'm aware there are stories of said characters travelling to the end of the universe and Yada Yada because some authors say it's infinite and others don't, so yeah its finite, whatever. I'm saying using the source wall as proof of this is faulty because the Source Wall in of itself is infinite
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Please refrain from derailing.
The crux of the matter is this:
As an overall standard for any verse decades in the making, how should we handle possibly retroactive information? IE: There was no way for past writers to consider present information when calculating certain feats.
The crux of the matter is this:
As an overall standard for any verse decades in the making, how should we handle possibly retroactive information? IE: There was no way for past writers to consider present information when calculating certain feats.
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93 billion light years?
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Wouldn't Post Criss dépend in the moment it happened? I'm pretty sure it went through some crisis that changed the physicals of the universe, especially with Prime.
And that's not Rebirth, but post Death Metal / Infinite Frontier, which changed practically everything after kts restructuration.
I don't know if it could be applied to Rebirth, and much less to N52.
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