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The Death of Mystery (Infinity in Type-Moon).

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You exactly said it right here
Yes, because that’s what Goetia himself says. Not because he actually did so.
How could you think that way while the whole reason Goetia gathered all those magical energy was to travel back in time to absorb a bigger source of magical energy.

Lol he doesn't even need to raze the timelines to travel back in time if your logic is true

the lines i quoted above was 1-2 section after this scene which simply means Goetia need a vast ammount of energy by burning human history and reduced them into spiritron to accomplish his goal, he need a lot bigger source of energy
which is the moment this planet was born
Your own quote says it. He needs the energy gathered to both leap back in time, and manipulate the energy involved in the creation of the planet
It's all just a fuel

For his main goal

I won't engage further in this discussion to prevent this thread derailed too much.

Fixing Nasuverse isn't gonna be nearly as hard if we just throw 95% of character profiles in the garbage and rewrite the rest from zero.
Can we kill FGO profiles? And FGO profiles.

Did I mention FGO profiles?
 
Yea, even as a big FGO fan, there's no point in profiles that won't ever be used. FGO can have 15-20 popular profiles, and the rest can be left to someone who actually gives a shit.
But other verses have a bunch of padding too.
I would be making Zerobia if you like:sneaky:
 
The parraellele world being earth sized are false, Fgo standard universe have the Outer space and Observable universe, they have their own version of ORT which is from the limit of the solar system, their own version of Greck god that are at least from another galaxy and we have the example of Servant Universe that we know its universe sized
 
The parraellele world being earth sized are false, Fgo standard universe have the Outer space and Observable universe, they have their own version of ORT which is from the limit of the solar system, their own version of Greck god that are at least from another galaxy and we have the example of Servant Universe that we know its universe sized

First of all - formatting. If you want to be understood, don't just write a stream of consciousness.
Second - Servantverse is explicitly galaxy-sized. (edit: https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/NA/script/9404194010?compareSource=JP ) (edit2 okay not "servantverse" but I need a minute for formulate this better)
Third - what do you even mean by "outer space and observable universe have their own version of ORT/Greek gods"?
 
First of all - formatting. If you want to be understood, don't just write a stream of consciousness.
Second - Servantverse is explicitly galaxy-sized.
Third - what do you even mean by "outer space and observable universe have their own version of ORT/Greek gods"?
Servant verse is not galaxy sized or Space Ishtar wouldn’t have grow and other deity like her wouldn’t have existed( before she killed them). + it being galaxy sized already counter the earth sized parallels world

I didn’t imply this? I tell each parallels world have Their own itineration of ORT, Greek god and Sefar which wouldn’t be possible if the parallel world was limited to the earth
 
First of all - formatting. If you want to be understood, don't just write a stream of consciousness.
Second - Servantverse is explicitly galaxy-sized. (edit: https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/NA/script/9404194010?compareSource=JP ) (edit2 okay not "servantverse" but I need a minute for formulate this better)
Third - what do you even mean by "outer space and observable universe have their own version of ORT/Greek gods"?
U know that ur quote just imply that the other galaxy got destroyed ? If they got destroyed it mean they existed and if they existed it mean that the space was big enough to contain it before
 
Regarding Servantverse, the bottomline is:
1) "Origin Universe" ~= Space Ishtar, they are basically synonymous
2) Extent of humanity's influence in Servantverse is their galaxy, therefore their texture should be the same.
3) Servantverse seems to operate under a fundamentally different physics (if having at least 6 new fundamental particles is any indication).
4) "U know that ur quote just imply that the other galaxy got destroyed" if you mean Space Ishtar killing other Space Ishtar, then - yea. A galaxy-sized god killing a galaxy-sized god is a galaxy-tier. Not sure what you're getting at.
 
Regarding Servantverse, the bottomline is:
1) "Origin Universe" ~= Space Ishtar, they are basically synonymous
2) Extent of humanity's influence in Servantverse is their galaxy, therefore their texture should be the same.
3) Servantverse seems to operate under a fundamentally different physics (if having at least 6 new fundamental particles is any indication).
4) "U know that ur quote just imply that the other galaxy got destroyed" if you mean Space Ishtar killing other Space Ishtar, then - yea. A galaxy-sized god killing a galaxy-sized god is a galaxy-tier. Not sure what you're getting at.
Origin universe is Space Ishtar after becoming the old universe.

2) the extent of Galaxy blue sapphire is the size of the Milky Way because it’s the only thing that still exist. It doesn’t discard what existed before.

3)even if it operate under different physics it’s still a parallel world, don’t see ur argument.

4) didn’t imply that, to become the universe in origin Universe before the Update she killed and merge with every galaxy. We know from her existence that other galaxy outside of Milky Way existed. So to come back to point 2, in the past the timeline was universe sized.



And sorry for some problem with writing my phone seem to want to correct every word in my mother language
 
2) the extent of Galaxy blue sapphire is the size of the Milky Way because it’s the only thing that still exist. It doesn’t discard what existed before.
Tokiomi explicitly mentions other galaxies still being around

3)even if it operate under different physics it’s still a parallel world, don’t see ur argument.
My take is that considering just how badly Servantverse diverges from PHH - is it even a parallel world? The usual conflation of Universe/Texture/e.t.c doesn't help at all here, but how sure are we that they are even part of the same fundamental Universe as main verse?

4) didn’t imply that, to become the universe in origin Universe before the Update she killed and merge with every galaxy. We know from her existence that other galaxy outside of Milky Way existed. So to come back to point 2, in the past the timeline was universe sized.
No, not really? The story goes something along the lines of "goddesses represented territory, cannibalized each other, and in the end we have a galaxy-sized Space Ishtar". Spishtar's total size should represent all the territory they possessed together, so it all should've been contained to Milky Way.
 
The point is, assuming that parallel world only work in earth scale is bound to be false because servant universe exist and thank to OC3 because can’t try to use the non cannon card. We know too from Daybit skill and Marisburybthat at least for sure they can observe the observable universe from fgo main timeline.

And with the new Olga boss, we learned that the outer space of Fgo main timeline have been erased, the only way to confirm that every parralelel world is earth sized would be that in every timeline we know the outer space have been erased as well
 
olga boss came out like a couple hours ago you can't expect people to just be up to date on that
 
Tokiomi explicitly mentions other galaxies still being around


My take is that considering just how badly Servantverse diverges from PHH - is it even a parallel world? The usual conflation of Universe/Texture/e.t.c doesn't help at all here, but how sure are we that they are even part of the same fundamental Universe as main verse?


No, not really? The story goes something along the lines of "goddesses represented territory, cannibalized each other, and in the end we have a galaxy-sized Space Ishtar". Spishtar's total size should represent all the territory they possessed together, so it all should've been contained to Milky Way.
Yeah but not confirmation as for now.

Mostly because they can move from timeline to timeline? We know from Chaos and Greek god that even if whole other universe possibly exist, the cost to move between to whole different universe is really big.

It doesn’t say in the end we have galaxy sized space Ishtar it say universe sized (before universe update) she was the whole universe before the update, and the Milky Way is a galaxy.
how a galaxy sized eating and getting bigger than all other galaxy would be the size of one of the smallest galaxy ?
 
Okaaay, I caught up with the Olga shit.

In the first place...I have no clue how the Chaldeas BS works. Non-Bleached Earth is confirmed to be frozen in time, I don't remember if Bleaching even applies to all timelines like Incineration did, since the mechanism is literally supposed to be swapping textures around. Nor do I even get how it makes sense to swap Earth's and Chaldeas' textures...when Chaldeas is inside Earth's texture.

Regarding the missing space...the event gave us literally no hints so i dunno. In the first place, Bleached Earth is the texture of Chaldeas, and Chaldeas never even had outer space for obvious reasons. I don't think the space was destroyed, IMO it shouldn't be there anyway.
 
Okaaay, I caught up with the Olga shit.

In the first place...I have no clue how the Chaldeas BS works. Non-Bleached Earth is confirmed to be frozen in time, I don't remember if Bleaching even applies to all timelines like Incineration did, since the mechanism is literally supposed to be swapping textures around. Nor do I even get how it makes sense to swap Earth's and Chaldeas' textures...when Chaldeas is inside Earth's texture.

Regarding the missing space...the event gave us literally no hints so i dunno. In the first place, Bleached Earth is the texture of Chaldeas, and Chaldeas never even had outer space for obvious reasons. I don't think the space was destroyed, IMO it shouldn't be there anyway.
When we fought with Olga the destruction caused a Hole in the Tree which lead to the real space, and they saw that actually space doesn’t exist anymore, no cosmic ray, nothing, the real earth of this timeline just exist in nothing, it’s the actual explication we have now, it’s why I think it’s better to wait for the conclusion of the arc now before continuing this thread since it can give some lead. To watch whatever they doing
 
it’s why I think it’s better to wait for the conclusion of the arc now before continuing this thread since it can give some lead. To watch whatever they doing
Assuming they actually have main story Summer again, and we won't have to sit on this for another half a year
 
Oh and for the no time in InS it’s impossible, Imaginary scramble story from fgo happen in INS, if they was no time they would be no way for the story to happen there.
 
Oh and for the no time in InS it’s impossible, Imaginary scramble story from fgo happen in INS, if they was no time they would be no way for the story to happen there.

Time in InS is funky. https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/NA/script/0300010210?compareSource=JP

Mash But...here in Void Space, time DOESN'T go on.
Mash We won't suffer the effects of age as long as we stay here, but we also don't know what will happen once we emerge into normal space.
Mash We might return at exactly the instant we left, or we might find that we've been gone for hundreds of years.

By all accounts, this doesn't make sense. "Time passes, we have to eat and literally shit. But also we somehow don't age because shut up." But that's how Nasu wrote it
 
shrug
To me it just sounds like they WANT there to be no time in INS but can't come up with a reason for characters to not be frozen so they just pretend there is no contradiction.
 
Time in InS is funky. https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/NA/script/0300010210?compareSource=JP



By all accounts, this doesn't make sense. "Time passes, we have to eat and literally shit. But also we somehow don't age because shut up." But that's how Nasu wrote it
I mean it’s mostly because time is not linear in INS it’s maybe even indépendant from the normal universe time. like Mash tell they could appear in the same space as the same time or 3000 years later.
 
shrug
To me it just sounds like they WANT there to be no time in INS but can't come up with a reason for characters to not be frozen so they just pretend there is no contradiction.
In fate Extra they tell this, so it’s like another time.

It is not within normal time, allowing for a series of communications over eighteen days from Earth to take less than a microsecond within the timeframe of the Moon Cell.
 
Have the conclusions of this thread been published anywhere?

Shall I close the thread?
 
Are u saying this thread got accepted when their literally a parrallel world existing that his bigger than the earth and system solar ?? Are mod accepting the thread just listening to whatever people saying ?
There isn’t, no. There’s only one greater universe in the franchise. You have absolutely 0 evidence to suggest otherwise.

Here’s one quick example.

  • First Star: C
Hither and thither.
Beginning and ending.
May this signal reach
the one and only cosmos
shining above.
 
Are u saying this thread got accepted when their literally a parrallel world existing that his bigger than the earth and system solar ?? Are mod accepting the thread just listening to whatever people saying ?
This doesn't actually affect the thread though. It's about infinity. Even if Human Order was galazy-sized in every parallel world, the thread would still be valid.
 
There isn’t, no. There’s only one greater universe in the franchise. You have absolutely 0 evidence to suggest otherwise.

Here’s one quick example.
What does it even counter on what I tell you? Servantuniverse is part of parallel world , and one of ur argument in the post is that it’s earth sized.

Nobody speak about another greater universe
 
This doesn't actually affect the thread though. It's about infinity. Even if Human Order was galazy-sized in every parallel world, the thread would still be valid.
It does and it would not be, the thread is about infinity sized which have as much world saying infinite that having world saying that it’s countless and I’m way too lazy to cover this one. and the second point was about earth sized parallel world which is blatantly false. + INs not having time which is false too
 
+ trying to use a skill description to counter a littéral part of story where we go inside, it’s the most weird thing I have ever saw. Even more than I could use skill description that speak about infinity too to counter it saying.

The fact that there is no link to her saying, no translation, and every mod accepted is really something lol. I remember why I left this place on the first place
 
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Oh and actually Wank did u really Nitpick a saying of ShikinRyougi when she is in the Root for ur point ? This was flowery language for sake she was using this to describe how the root was outside of human definition…..

No matter how vast, no matter how far beyond human reckoning—all things have limits.
 
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