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The Death of Mystery (Infinity in Type-Moon).

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Oh yea, in additional.

Goetia says that there is only one planet, but many possibilities of humanity. lol. Goetia gets more energy from burning the human order, than he does burning the planet. He even calls the HO the planet’s most potent energy source.

I’ll give this a few more hours for any last objections, and if nothing, ill have this closed since it has the votes needed to be a thing.
 
Oh yea, in additional.

Goetia says that there is only one planet, but many possibilities of humanity. lol. Goetia gets more energy from burning the human order, than he does burning the planet. He even calls the HO the planet’s most potent energy source.

I’ll give this a few more hours for any last objections, and if nothing, ill have this closed since it has the votes needed to be a thing.
Could I please get a discord link to the mage's association
 
Could I please get a discord link to the mage's association
I was kicked out, one of the reasons being that some of the members whined about my existence in there being controversial because of the downgrades (what I was told by a certain someone, at least.)

Which… lmao?

anyway, I can’t help you with that anymore.
 
@Wankbreaker what tier will the Swirl of the Root will be after this thread?
Unaffected lol, part of the reason why I'm not bothering atp. I have to focus on my scans.

I was kicked out, one of the reasons being that some of the members whined about my existence in there being controversial because of the downgrades (what I was told by a certain someone, at least.)

Which… lmao?

anyway, I can’t help you with that anymore.
Honestly if you didn't try to get Crim in trouble on RVR with false allegations which you yourself knew weren't true, maybe it wouldn't be so controversial but I digress, unrelated to the topic.
 
Goetia says that there is only one planet, but many possibilities of humanity. lol. Goetia gets more energy from burning the human order, than he does burning the planet. He even calls the HO the planet’s most potent energy source.
Why would he burns the planet Lol
Your argument basically contradict what Goetia aim for
46億年の過去に[#遡:さかのぼ]り、この領域に“天体”が生まれる瞬間に 立ち会い、その全てのエネルギーを取り込み

I shall go 4.6 billion years into the past, and bear witness to the moment when this celestial body was born. I shall absorb all its energy
過去に飛翔する為のエネルギ-と、 天体の誕生に立ち会い、これを制御する一瞬にして無限の調整。

これほどの計画には膨大な魔力が必要だ。 3000年[#栄:さか]えに栄えた、知性体の積み上げた総魔力量が。

紀元前1000年から西暦2016年までの人類史の全てを 魔力に変換できれば、それは星の始まりに跳ぶ魔力量になる。

人類を滅ぼす 焼却する理由はこの一点のみ。

We needed the energy to venture to the past. We needed it to perform the infinite, instantaneous tuning necessary to control the birth of a planet.
A plan like this requires a vast amount of magical energy. To be precise, 3,000 years' worth of the magical energy stored by all sapient beings.
And so, by turning all of human history from 1000 B.C. to A.D. 2018 into magical energy, we would have acquired the necessary amount to journey to the beginning of this planet.
That is the only reason for us to incinerate mankind.

我々にとって、 人類とは始まりのソラに至る為の噴射装置にすぎない。

To us, humans are just fuel for a propulsion device that could launch us to the very beginning.
Your argument are easily debunked.
You claim that the world changes without humanity, but Kara no Kyoukai states that the planet needs humanity to change. You’re going against a basic theme of the franchise, for a higher tier.

The collapse of human civilization would lead directly to this celestial body’s ‘death at the end of growth.
Also this translation you brought up
it isn't would
可能性がある = could, not would
The context is that, since someone getting to Akasha could destroy human civilization, both Gaia and Alaya would move
Look here for the proper translation
 
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Why would he burns the planet Lol
Your argument basically contradict what Goetia aim for
46億年の過去に[#遡:さかのぼ]り、この領域に“天体”が生まれる瞬間に 立ち会い、その全てのエネルギーを取り込み


過去に飛翔する為のエネルギ-と、 天体の誕生に立ち会い、これを制御する一瞬にして無限の調整。

これほどの計画には膨大な魔力が必要だ。 3000年[#栄:さか]えに栄えた、知性体の積み上げた総魔力量が。

紀元前1000年から西暦2016年までの人類史の全てを 魔力に変換できれば、それは星の始まりに跳ぶ魔力量になる。

人類を滅ぼす 焼却する理由はこの一点のみ。



我々にとって、 人類とは始まりのソラに至る為の噴射装置にすぎない。


Your argument are easily debunked.

I didn’t say he burned the planet, I said Goetia said that the energy gained from doing so would be inferior to the energy gained from humanity.

馬鹿め、まったくその通りだとも!
.
..
なぜなら、あれがおまえたちだ!
地球上の全エネルギーを集めたものがあの光帯
だ!
人理定礎を破壊し、人類史の強度を無にし、我らの凝視で火を放つ!
炎は地表を覆い、あらゆる生命を、文明を燃やし、
残留霊子として摘出される。
なにしろ地球は一つしかないからなあ。
どだい
地球を燃やしたところで得られる熱量はタカが知れている。
だが惑星の地表に住む生命体は別だ。
おまえたちは殺しても殺しても繁栄した。


You fools, absolutely right!
Why? Because that's you all!
That band of light is the collected energy of the entire planet!

We will shatter the Human Order Foundation, nullify the density of human history, and ignite it with our gaze!
The flames will engulf the surface, burning every life and civilization,
extracting them as residual spiritrons.

After all, there’s only one Earth.
The thermal energy from burning the planet itself has a limit that can easily be comprehended.
But the lifeforms dwelling on its surface? Different altogether.
You thrived no matter how many times we killed you.

Here’s another, for quick measure.

その方式であれば事は成せる。
およそ3000年分に渡る“惑星の最大熱量”。

With that method, it can be accomplished.
The "planet's maximum thermal energy" spanning approximately 3000 years.

Also this translation you brought up
it isn't would
可能性がある = could, not would
The context is that, since someone getting to Akasha could destroy human civilization, both Gaia and Alaya would move
Look here for the proper translation
Would or could, makes absolutely no difference to the point. The planet recognizes the consequences to the death of human civilization due to its control over the planet, and mobilizes its counterforce to protect it. An Earth completely free from human order doesn’t exist.
 
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where was this sentiment with instant death
Instant Death profiles look a profissional work of art in comparison with Nasuverse's. And it seems the supporters aren't caring too much anymore. The state of the verse is pitiful at best. It will stay like this, with you being the only one really caring about and doing something.
 
Why would Nasuverse characters be put in fights if their profiles are like 5-6 years outdated? The big majority doesn't even have scans lol
 
Literally the profile of a collab is in a better state than the original
A few certain supporters would rather see and want the profiles out there despite profiles obviously saying outdated, want it all out instead of being temporarily deleted, so the supporters who're still working on the state of the profiles could do it in peace and remain majorly reworked on but shrugs
Literally the profile of a collab is in a better state than the original
Yeah, I pointed this out to Castorice with how bad and lacking the profiles were, whoever back then was behind the profiles certainly didn't do a great job of scans collection and people who still think "there's nothing wrong with the profiles" are inherent part of the problem.
 
A few certain supporters would rather see and want the profiles out there despite profiles obviously saying outdated, want it all out instead of being temporarily deleted, so the supporters who're still working on the state of the profiles could do it in peace and remain majorly reworked on but shrugs
Like, dude, this is a thread to downgrade a verse that doesn't even have a cosmology page.
 
Like, dude, this is a thread to downgrade a verse that doesn't even have a cosmology page.
Whats that… what’s a cosmology page.

But on a serious note, what do you this is for? Vibes?


We'll probably be done with stuff in a few months so wait until that, the verse is really long.
Me and you both know that’s not happening. Almost a year with no major progress last time I checked
Doesn't help with how often you need to get the RAWs because old translations in specific are always botched one way or another.
 
I mean look at this Yoggi Girl:

This Isn't tier 5

The Six doors represent all possible dimensions and it can go beyond the universe itself where there is absolute darkness.
  1. And Abigail literally said that the Gate is beyond time and space.
There are other scans that Wank didn't use about Outer Gods on downgrade threads that they are definitely Higher than tier 4.
 
I mean look at this Yoggi Girl:


This Isn't tier 5

The Six doors represent all possible dimensions and it can go beyond the universe itself where there is absolute darkness.
  1. And Abigail literally said that the Gate is beyond time and space.
There are other scans that Wank didn't use about Outer Gods on downgrade threads that they are definitely Higher than tier 4.
This page lists resistance to Authority. And that's it. There's no link, no explanation on what Authority is. It's just there. lol
 
I mean look at this Yoggi Girl:


This Isn't tier 4

The Six doors represent all possible dimensions and it can go beyond the universe itself where there is absolute darkness.
I know the statement you’re referencing, it’s a mistranslation. I checked it ages ago.

六つの扉は、上下、左右、前後の、
あらゆる空間を、意味して、いる。

そして 彼の、大いなる神は、

決して光届かぬ、あたしたちの宇宙の、外側、窮極の門、の彼方、に鎮座なさっている。

それでいながら、あらゆる空間に隣り合い、
全てと、つながっている。

不確かな人の言葉に綴られ、“スト・テュホン”と、呼ばれることも、ある、けれど……。

As established earlier, Universe here is referring to the human order.

The six doors signify all space: up and down, left and right, front and back.
And this great god is enthroned beyond the ultimate gate, outside our universe, where light doesn’t reach.
Yet, he is adjacent to all space and connected to everything.
Though uncertain human words sometimes call it "Sut Typhon"...

if you want to discuss this further, make your own thread.
 
Worse than I thought, honestly.
You should not be making a thread to downgrade this verse—you should instead be asking for the complete removal of it from this wiki again. That, if you care for the verse and want it to be a good thing on this website.

There's no explanation for Authority, even though it appears on more than 15+ profiles. There's no cosmology page. There's not an explanation on what a Noble Phantasm is. Heck, there's not even a page for Magecraft: it is listed as Magic in the profiles, even though we both known Magecraft and Magic are two complete opposites in Nasuverse. There's not an explanation on what Mystery is. The most fundamental mechanics and concepts of the verse aren't even indexed on this website.

Yeah, your thread will be passed. Them what is next? What will you do? Downgrade the Servants to Street Level? Go ahead. Do it. Like, seriously. There will be no one to stop you. You are just kicking a dead dog at this point. But if you really are a fan of Nasu and his works, you should just look at the astronomically deplorable and pathetic state the whole verse is at—and start to think how can you change this.
 
You should not be making a thread to downgrade this verse—you should instead be asking for the complete removal of it from this wiki again. That, if you care for the verse and want it to be a good thing on this website.

There's no explanation for Authority, even though it appears on more than 15+ profiles. There's no cosmology page. There's not an explanation on what a Noble Phantasm is. Heck, there's not even a page for Magecraft: it is listed as Magic in the profiles, even though we both known Magecraft and Magic are two complete opposites in Nasuverse. There's not an explanation on what Mystery is. The most fundamental mechanics and concepts of the verse aren't even indexed on this website.

Yeah, your thread will be passed. Them what is next? What will you do? Downgrade the Servants to Street Level? Go ahead. Do it. Like, seriously. There will be no one to stop you. You are just kicking a dead dog at this point. But if you really are a fan of Nasu and his works, you should just look at the astronomically deplorable and pathetic state the whole verse is at—and start to think how can you change this.
Just to let you know, the verse was recently restored from deletion, which is why pages are missing, such as Authority and Mystery. It was deleted to allow a group of people to work together and restore the verse to be actually workable. Then an admin decided to bring it back because good enough reasons to delete the verse were not given. Yes, the verse is in bad state. There are people actively wqorking on it.
 
Just to let you know, the verse was recently restored from deletion, which is why pages are missing, such as Authority and Mystery. It was deleted to allow a group of people to work together and restore the verse to be actually workable. Then an admin decided to bring it back because good enough reasons to delete the verse were not given. Yes, the verse is in bad state. There are people actively wqorking on it.
Good news, Toxic will be unbanned in 2 days
 
You should not be making a thread to downgrade this verse—you should instead be asking for the complete removal of it from this wiki again. That, if you care for the verse and want it to be a good thing on this website.

There's no explanation for Authority, even though it appears on more than 15+ profiles. There's no cosmology page. There's not an explanation on what a Noble Phantasm is. Heck, there's not even a page for Magecraft: it is listed as Magic in the profiles, even though we both known Magecraft and Magic are two complete opposites in Nasuverse. There's not an explanation on what Mystery is. The most fundamental mechanics and concepts of the verse aren't even indexed on this website.

Yeah, your thread will be passed. Them what is next? What will you do? Downgrade the Servants to Street Level? Go ahead. Do it. Like, seriously. There will be no one to stop you. You are just kicking a dead dog at this point. But if you really are a fan of Nasu and his works, you should just look at the astronomically deplorable and pathetic state the whole verse is at—and start to think how can you change this.
That's the spirit
 
I didn’t say he burned the planet, I said Goetia said that the energy gained from doing so would be inferior to the energy gained from humanity
You exactly said it right here
Goetia gets more energy from burning the human order, than he does burning the planet. He even calls the HO the planet’s most potent energy source.
Here’s another, for quick measure.
How could you think that way while the whole reason Goetia gathered all those magical energy was to travel back in time to absorb a bigger source of magical energy.

Lol he doesn't even need to raze the timelines to travel back in time if your logic is true

the lines i quoted above was 1-2 section after this scene which simply means Goetia need a vast ammount of energy by burning human history and reduced them into spiritron to accomplish his goal, he need a lot bigger source of energy
which is the moment this planet was born

We needed the energy to venture to the past. We needed it to perform the infinite, instantaneous tuning necessary to control the birth of a planet.
A plan like this requires a vast amount of magical energy. To be precise, 3,000 years' worth of the magical energy stored by all sapient beings.
And so, by turning all of human history from 1000 B.C. to A.D. 2018 into magical energy, we would have acquired the necessary amount to journey to the beginning of this planet.
That is the only reason for us to incinerate mankind.
It's all just a fuel
To us, humans are just fuel for a propulsion device that could launch us to the very beginning.
For his main goal
I shall go 4.6 billion years into the past, and bear witness to the moment when this celestial body was born. I shall absorb all its energy
Also you said
An Earth completely free from human order doesn’t exist.
You're simply wrong, an earth free from human order do exist back then,well human is currently a new primates on this planet, age of gods already exist even beyond sefar incident, meanwhile alaya was born after the ages of separation.
It's all going back to my first evidence that This worlds doesn't abide by human rules according to what Hime arc and Tezcatlipoca said.
I have pointed out my objection to this thread plus the evidence i have,
So i won't engage further in this discussion to prevent this thread derailed too much.
 
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