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Thanks for the clarification buddy
Word of advice: just ignore it (yk what I'm talking about. You already said for it to be in another thread, and nothing changed. You shouldn't have to repeat yourself.)
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[MCU] Possibly Controversial 7D Cosmology Upgrade
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Word of advice: just ignore it (yk what I'm talking about. You already said for it to be in another thread, and nothing changed. You shouldn't have to repeat yourself.)
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Accessing the TVA only requires being 6D, outside the Multiverse, or however you want to phrase it. It's the hypertimeline that introduces a seventh dimension and makes it truly dimensionally superior.
As for The Immersive Story, it's not canon to the MCU. I'm not sure why there's even a page for "Infinity Scarlet Witch," or why it's discussed seriously. Just the implication that Wong can travel the multiverse completely breaks everything.
Like I’ve said before: if Peggy and the others made it to the TVA, they’d have to be at least 6D. That would technically make them capable of accessing the Observational Plane as well, but saying that the Observational Plane is now 8D feels like a massive stretch, especially with the limited context we have.
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Then what do you suggest Loki and the Watcher's dimensionality is? If the Watcher can't be below the Loki, and Loki is 7D, that would imply the Watcher must be above him. Saying "X can't be above Y" is logically equivalent to saying "Y must be above X."
At this point, we're just going in circles. I suggest creating a separate CRT to address this.
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Which the plane is beyond meaning higher then 6d as it’s called higher then the TvA and it’s dimension
immersive story is stated connected to mcu what if Wong traveling the multiverse breaks nothing because they are all variants WoG and characters in the multiverse state anything is possible in the multiverse because mcu runs off the concept of possibility
Then you admit your logic is flawed as they explicitly can’t access the observation plane only ultron was capable of such a thing and because by their own words it’s not some random dimension it’s a higher plane higher then anything they have encountered hence why not even kang technology the source of Loki power could even reach
But fine close this thread and eventually another one will be made about watcher
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I think this makes sense. It's a bit over my head.
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I've listed you as agreeing.
I understand, took me a lot of reasoning to fully grasp everything for the proposal too.
Naeem0304
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BROOOO GOOD WORK!!! Just one more staff approvalI've listed you as agreeing.
I understand, took me a lot of reasoning to fully grasp everything for the proposal too.
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I think the cosmology changes are fine but that the Watcher himself should stay 5D, as he says.
He's superior to individual 4D universes, can travel to any of them, but I don't think we get any indication he's superior to all of them at once.
He's superior to individual 4D universes, can travel to any of them, but I don't think we get any indication he's superior to all of them at once.
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I proposed that the Watcher should be considered 6D because he is stated to be able to see the totality of the Multiverse, with the entire Multiverse at his fingertips, and that the boundaries of the Multiverse are irrelevant to him.
That said, I wasn’t entirely certain about that. Do you think it would be better to keep him at 5D instead?
Also, my sandbox includes updates for the entire cosmology page, since the current one is severely outdated. Can I replace everything from the old page using the source from my sandbox? Does someone need to review it before it can be updated? I didn’t include any changes beyond what’s already listed here, and I used the existing page as a base for the revisions anyway. Everything in my sandbox is sourced, consistent with prior accepted material, and just brings the cosmology page up to date.
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It seems to me like he has 5D AP but 6D range.
Someone should probably review it.
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Yeah, sounds fair.
Well then, last thing to do is wait for someone to review it. I think Phoenks said they'd take a look at it a few days ago.
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Hey Phoenks, would you mind taking a look at the sandbox whenever you have the time? I’d really appreciate your review so we can move forward with applying the upgrade. Thanks in advance!
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I agree
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Would he not be 6d just by size if he can "entire Multiverse at his fingertips" if the multiverse is a 6d structre?
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No, because we know the way that's visualized from his perspective. He sort of views each individual universe as a plane of glass not much smaller than himself.
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It dosen't seem like the statment reffers how he watches the multiverse but rather how he is compared to it while the previous statment "see the totality of the Multiverse" reffers to it.
But won't the infinity stones be 6d? Based on Scarlet Witch what if profile she is granted enough power via the infinity stones to recreate the multiverse and The watcher could battle Infinity Ultron who possed all of them.
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The other user stated that the game is non-canon or one-way canon. Sk what happens there wouldn't count for the mainline MCU
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What makes it non-cannon based on what i can find it's said to be cannon atleast said on mcu wiki.
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Seems understandable
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I'm currently working on a CRT where we decide who gets upgraded.
However, because the branches that deviate and are pruned become macro-timelines themselves after they split from their parent macro-timeline, it makes Alioth at least Low 1-C and possibly 1-C for destroying all the branches that united the Sacred Timeline to the other macro-timelines.
The Time Ripper, though, should probably scale to Low 1-C since it's destroying every timeline one by one, and there are an uncountably infinite amount of timelines in the entire multiverse. However, it honestly makes no sense how that can be done, since destroying an uncountably infinite amount of timelines one by one is practically impossible mathematically speaking. So I'm a bit unsure if it should scale to Low 1-C.
Edit: I'm leaning towards keeping Time Ripper and Cassandra Nova at 2-A. It's mathematically impossible to destroy an uncountably infinite number of timelines one by one.
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I didn't know this, but the characters affected by this CRT need to be discussed here, so...
Low 1-C (5D)
- Alioth - AP - At least Low 1-C
- America Chavez - Range - Low 1-C
- Cassandra Nova - ED via Time Ripper - Low 1-C???? (She was going to destroy every timeline one by one, of which there is an uncountably infinite amount in the multiverse. However, it's mathematically impossible to destroy an uncountably infinite number of timelines one by one. I'm leaning towards keeping her at 2-A, but if the majority agrees, she can be upgraded.)
- Kahhori - Range via Portal Creation - Low 1-C
- Scarlet Witch - Range via Darkhold Spells, Clairvoyance, Darkhold destruction - Low 1-C
- Sinister Strange - Range via Dreamwalking - Low 1-C
- Doctor Strange Supreme - Range via Portals - Low 1-C
- Sylvie - Range via TemPad - Low 1-C
- Doctor Strange - Range via Dreamwalking, Memory Spells, Clairovyance via Darkhold - Low 1-C
1-C (6D)
- Death - Range via Cosmic Awareness - 1-C (This could potentially be Low 1-C, though I'm not sure. It depends on whether she's simply aware of all timelines individually, meaning an uncountably infinite number of 4D constructs, or if she's aware of the entire multiversal structure, including the Quantum Realm and the Gap Junction.)
- Captain Cater - Range - 1-C (Infinity Stones + Watcher Key)
- Infinity Gauntlet - Range - 1-C
- Infinity Ultron - Range - 1-C (Infinity Stones key)
- Kahhori - Range - 1-C (Watcher Key)
- Kang the Conqueror - Range - 1-C
- Watcher - Range - 1-C
- Infinity Scarlet Witch - AP - 1-C
1-C (7D)
- God Loki - Range and AP - 1-C
- He Who Remains - Range and AP via technology and preparation - 1-C
- KEVIN - AP and Range - 1-C
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Actually, I think Alioth shouldn't scale to 1-C. To qualify, he'd need to destroy all the 'trees' in the multiverse, meaning every macro-timeline. But what he actually did was just destroy the connecting macro-timelines, which would still be 5D.
That was a mistake on my part, my bad, will fix it now.
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It better to make another CRT for upgrade characters and close this CRT.
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Regarding the Watcher, wouldn’t him being 5D only pertain to his spatial existence, meaning if the verse gets bumped because of temporal dimensions then it wouldn’t contradict really.
In fact the cosmology has to be 6D or higher thanks to the hypertimeline encompassing the Watcher’s fifth-dimensional realm
In fact the cosmology has to be 6D or higher thanks to the hypertimeline encompassing the Watcher’s fifth-dimensional realm
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A staff member specifically told me that it was supposed to be discussed here, and not to make another CRT.
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It was decided Kevin's "real world" has no superiority and isn't actually +1D.
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I'm not sure, honestly. There's a massive jump from 5D to 6D, and so far we've only seen him interact with individual timelines, not the entirety of the Multiverse.
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Infinity Ultron is stated to be the greatest threat the Multiverse has ever faced, being a threat to the entire Multiverse and all universes and realities, and his fight with The Watcher is described as a "battle for the fate of the Multiverse" that nearly destroyed all of existence. But I don't know if that could translate as 6-D
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I guess that’s fair? Either way Kevin getting upscaled due to hypertimelines wouldn’t be contradictory in that case
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Technically you can be "a threat to all universes and realities" without being a threat to "all of them at once."
It seemed like he was theoretically capable of destroying any individual universe, and was able to travel to any of them, which technically makes him a threat to all of them without 6D being needed.
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