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Very quick and tiny Yogiri Addition

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Already seen this, and yeah, it seems simple enough. Not sure about the potency though, especially since it's vague as shit.
 
Seems fine, and high godly doesn’t work here since magic/type 3 concept hasn’t been shown to exist independently from the body, soul, and mind.
 
People will never let Yogurt have his High-Godly back.
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Seems fine, and high godly doesn’t work here since magic/type 3 concept hasn’t been shown to exist independently from the body, soul, and mind.
Well no, at least that is not entirely true.

since for exemple the magical power of chair is what it defines the chair but if you cut-off its legs you will have all the cleaved part that possess their own magical power :

Top part of the chair MP, Legs 1 MP, Legs 2… ect.

So it somehow getting affected but not exactly to a full extent.

the magical power in its raw form isn’t attached to anything, it would remain even after you break down the whole thing into nothing (chair in my exemple)

This was portrayed by this passage (with table to stay in theme ^^) :
Raw: 「む。そうですね。いきなりすぎたかもしれません。そうですね。もっと基本的なところからにしましょう。まず大前提としてこの世の中にある全てのものが魔力を持っています。全ての根本なのです。全てのものはその在り方に応じた魔力の形を持っています。例えばこの机は、この机の形になるような魔力をもっているというわけです。これは細かく分割していってもその分割したパーツに応じて魔力を持つことになります。机を分解して、机の天板と足にわけてしまえば、机としての魔力はなくなりますが、天板としての魔力と、足としての魔力を持つことになります。まぁこのまま細かくわけていけば究極的には何もなくなってしまって、その存在そのものの魔力のみが在るということになっていき……」

Translation:

"Hmm. I see. Perhaps that was a bit too sudden. Alright, let's start with something more fundamental.

First and foremost, everything in this world possesses magical power. It is the foundation of all things. Every object has a form of magical power that corresponds to its existence.

For example, this desk possesses magical power that allows it to take the shape of a desk. Even if you break it down into smaller parts, each part will retain its own magical power accordingly. If you were to dismantle the desk and separate the tabletop from the legs, the desk itself would lose its magical power, but the tabletop and legs would then each have their own respective magical power.

If you were to keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain—only the magical power of the very essence of its existence would be left..."
So it is dependent in the sense that if you break it changes what it governs (the difference part you destroyed OR cleaved) but even if you do so until nothing of it remains it will still exist.

So raw magical power is independent but magical power of something is more or less not.

But if you keep breaking down something it would becomes raw MP when nothing remains, they are still linked to each other.

Little explanation :
Table —> break —> broken table MP part 1, broken table MP part 2 ect… —> erase —> raw MP

So HG could still apply. But only on type 3 concept too…
 
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Little explanation :
Table —> break —> broken table MP part 1, broken table MP part 2 ect… —> erase —> raw MP

So HG could still apply. But only on type 3 concept too…
Where’s the independence from the body, mind, and soul? For example, if the soul, mind, and body are destroyed, will magic be unaffected? When a normal person dies, doesn’t their magic stop existing too? Right now, it looks like magic can be restored just by regenerating the body, mind, and soul.
here , in addition it must not be something that would ordinarily be restored by regenerating body, mind, or soul. As such, type 3 concepts must be evaluated
 
Right now, it looks like magic can be restored just by regenerating the body, mind, or soul.
It's another "magical power" that will make their existence at that moment. Like, when Lilia died, she lost the "magical power that makes up the existence of Lilia" but when she got resurrected by a necromancer, she got another Magical Power that wasn't the first one.
 
Where’s the independence from the body, mind, and soul? For example, if the soul, mind, and body are destroyed, will magic be unaffected? When a normal person dies, doesn’t their magic stop existing too? Right now, it looks like magic can be restored just by regenerating the body, mind, or soul.
The author showcase that even if you break down something made of it INTO NOTHING would remain, that is my point it is not 100% dependent of the object it governs like you claimed.

And still structures everything so you have the burden of proof to show that it would behave differently for other objects.

For the person who dies and lose their MP that is true but they would lose their MP as living entity, since there is an obvious changement of state even in biological scale to the object a bit like a table that is broken.

A bit like a broken table lose its MP as table to become different part.

As shown above MP is necessarily the aspect of the living.
 
"Hmm. If what Al-kun is saying is true, then 'returning to normal' would mean returning to a corpse...

Well, as I mentioned when explaining magic, everything possesses magical power, and that power is what defines its existence. Right now, Lilia-chan has lost the magical power that establishes her as 'the existence of Lilia.' Instead, she is alive through the magical power of 'Lilia as an existence controlled by Al-kun.'

If there were some way to firmly reestablish her as 'the existence of Lilia' once more, then perhaps... But I have no idea how that could be done."
 
It's another "magical power" that will make their existence at that moment. Like, when Lilia died, she lost the "magical power that makes up the existence of Lilia" but when she got resurrected by a necromancer, she got another Magical Power that wasn't the first one.
Okay, it should be fine for High-Godly if magic is unaffected by the destruction of the soul, mind, and body.
The author showcase that even if you break down something made of it INTO NOTHING would remain, that is my point it is not 100% dependent of the object it governs like you claimed.
Let’s look at the scan. It’s more that there’s nothing left to break down, rather than the existence of what it governs being erased. And magic is also used interchangeably with it is particulars existence, so that scan doesn’t prove any independence.
If you were to keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain—only the magical power of the very essence of its existence would be left..."
 
Okay, it should be fine for High-Godly if magic is unaffected by the destruction of the soul, mind, and body.
It's not tho. Lilia died by falling off a cliff. When she "died" she didn't have any Magical Power remaining as far as I'm aware.
 
It's not tho. Lilia died by falling off a cliff. When she "died" she didn't have any Magical Power remaining as far as I'm aware.
Weird as hell, I think the main point is that you can’t get back your type 3 concept by bringing back your soul, body, and mind. I think High-Godly can still work.
 
Weird as hell, I think the main point is that you can’t get back your type 3 concept by bringing back your soul, body, and mind. I think High-Godly can still work.
Well, if you lose your magical power, you can't come back at all, but imo, bringing back the dead (like a zombie) would induce some form of magical power on them too.
 
Let’s look at the scan. It’s more that there’s nothing left to break down, rather than the existence of what it governs being erased
No, that scan isn’t saying anything like that it simply mentions « nothing remains » not « nothing to breakdown anymore » or « nothing remains to breaks down » you made your own interpretations here.

"If you were to keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain—only the magical power of the very essence of its existence would be left..."

And magic is also used interchangeably with it is particulars existence, so that scan doesn’t prove any independence
As I said above you either miss read the scan or made a false interpretation out of it.
 
No, that scan isn’t saying anything like that it simply mentions « nothing remains » not « nothing to breakdown anymore » or « nothing remains to breaks down » you made your own interpretations here.
I made a logical conclusion from what the scan meant: "keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain." It’s more like there’s nothing left to break down. So nothing here means completely erasing or turning the particular/object into nonexistence. It’s more about reaching the essence of that table, than independence through still existing despite the destruction of the particular.
 
I made a logical conclusion from what the scan meant: "keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain." It’s more like there’s nothing left to break down. So nothing here means completely erasing or turning the particular/object into nonexistence. It’s more about reaching the essence of that table, than independence through still existing despite the destruction of the particular.
And I would I agree if the author didn’t explicitly stated that only MP remained.

"If you were to keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain—only the magical power of the very essence of its existence would be left..."

If your interpretation was true one indivisible physical part should remain, but here that is not the case only MP of the very essence of its existence remains.

And that even if i agree with making this logical connection.

The whole point of the explanation just falls apart with your interpretation

So like you said context is indeed important so you have to take all part not just the one that may argue your point, especially when the very next sentence just mentioned a contradiction.
 
It’s more about reaching the essence of that table, than independence through still existing despite the destruction of the particular.
Yeah ? But magical power doesn’t only form physical things as far as I know.

And here nothing of the original table remains only its essence.

It is clear indication that even if you break something until nothing of this original things remains it would still exist in essential form.

And normally that wouldn’t happen for something dependent.

I definitely don’t understand your point, I never said MP was 100% independent since it can still somehow being influenced by perception and « presence » I am just saying that in the context of destruction even you destroy everything of the said object until nothing remains while it especially point out that the only thing remaining is the said MP of essence of its existence.

And even if you claim that that is the essence being independent not the MP the MP is tied to it so it wouldn’t change much.

It is still Concept type 3 though due to the limitations mentioned in the 1st message.
 
did you know high godly resurrection is pretty much the same thing as high godly regeneration
it feels redundant
 
did you know high godly resurrection is pretty much the same thing as high godly regeneration
it feels redundant
I mean, yeah, perhaps, but I just wanted to put some sort of precision on his resurrection
 
It is mid-godly if the concept type 3 disappear along with the person, but if the concept is independent from the person, their soul, mind, consciousness, then it is high-godly
 
It is mid-godly if the concept type 3 disappear along with the person, but if the concept is independent from the person, their soul, mind, consciousness, then it is high-godly
There is a good chance for it to be High godly :
"If you were to keep breaking it down further and further, ultimately, nothing would remain—only the magical power of the very essence of its existence would be left..."
 
Yeah. You should make a rule on the verse:
Upgrading Instant Death is strictly forbidden on VSBW, otherwise we would block you permeably across the Fandom and Forum without a warning or a reason.
 
Yeah. You should make a rule on the verse:
Upgrading Instant Death is strictly not allowed on VSBW, otherwise we would block you permeably across the Fandom and Forum without a warning or a reason.
Trolling...
 
I'm also fine with the resurrection, which can probably be applied now.
 
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