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DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread

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FinePoint said:
Also, I don't know if "put up with it" is the right word.
They go out of their way to undo all the negative stuff we did, as well as beat the shit out of us for it.
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By that I don't mean they like it, they clearly are horrified and hate the SOUL for it but they still tolerate it for the sake of the plan instead of completely backing out
 
Recon1511 said:
Yet the situation is vague enough to not be entirely sure it was the Knight who one-shotted Susie and Ralsei either.

The profiles have to be revamped each time a new chapter drops anyway, we will be speculating until the game is finished.
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It was clearly the knight, the other option makes no sense
Recon1511 said:
He did, Kris was the one that plugged Tenna between chapter 1 and 2 and then turned Tenna on before creating the Dark World. Who else could he be talking about? Are we supposed to infer the Roaring Knight sneaked inside the house before Susie and Kris woke up and gave Tenna new instructions without just kidnapping Toriel?

Not to mention it has become extremely apparent that Kris is at the very least cooperating in some way with the Knight
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Kris is cooperating with the knight, they were the ones who turned on Tenna, it seems they made a deal with Tenna
Most likely Kris told Tenna the knight's plan, to keep the Delta Warriors busy so he could have everyone he wanted watching him
The only thing Tenna didn't have to do was mention that it was Kris who gave him the message, Tenna acts like it was the knight itself who told him

Tenan doesn't say that the knight created the fountain, nor that he was plugged in by the knight, only that the knight appeared
He's not talking about Kris, besides he knows that Kris created the fountain
 
LittleGuy99 said:
It was clearly the knight, the other option makes no sense
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Makes plenty of sense to me.
LittleGuy99 said:
Kris is cooperating with the knight, they were the ones who turned on Tenna, it seems they made a deal with Tenna
Most likely Kris told Tenna the knight's plan, to keep the Delta Warriors busy so he could have everyone he wanted watching him
The only thing Tenna didn't have to do was mention that it was Kris who gave him the message, Tenna acts like it was the knight itself who told him

Tenan doesn't say that the knight created the fountain, nor that he was plugged in by the knight, only that the knight appeared
He's not talking about Kris, besides he knows that Kris created the fountain
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No, what Tenna says is that it was the Roaring Knight who ordered him to distract the Delta Warriors, obviously lying to cover Kris. My point is that in this same chapter, lie or not, Kris is called the Roaring Knight which makes the screenshot rather irrelevant.

But really sprite names don't mean anything anyway, it's called like that to make it easier to find in assets folders. Unless we should start calling the Roaring Knight the Sepia Knight now?

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The exception to this here being the sprites/assets in all-caps since those are meant to be found.
 
I guess Asgore is actually pissing on his flowers here, the sprite name said so.
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Recon1511 said:
He did, Kris was the one that plugged Tenna between chapter 1 and 2 and then turned Tenna on before creating the Dark World. Who else could he be talking about? Are we supposed to infer the Roaring Knight sneaked inside the house before Susie and Kris woke up and gave Tenna new instructions without just kidnapping Toriel?

Not to mention it has become extremely apparent that Kris is at the very least cooperating in some way with the Knight
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Tenna was stalling until the Knight arrived (29:21). Kris was just the one who told Tenna the plan.
 
Recon1511 said:
My point is that in this same chapter, lie or not, Kris is called the Roaring Knight which makes the screenshot rather irrelevant.
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I'm not going to repeat myself but Tenna did not call Kris the Roaring Knight there
Recon1511 said:
But really sprite names don't mean anything anyway, it's called like that to make it easier to find in assets folders. Unless we should start calling the Roaring Knight the Sepia Knight now?

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The exception to this here being the sprites/assets in all-caps since those are meant to be found.
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Fun example
Slash still has the Roaring Knight in the name, Ralsei would have realized that it was Kris, Susie would have realized that it was Kris
This does not add anything to the Lore
 
LittleGuy99 said:
Slash still has the Knight in the name, Ralsei would have realized that it was Kris, Susie would have realized that it was Kris
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Susie wouldn't have, she had her back turned to Kris and was knocked out cold.
LittleGuy99 said:
This does not add anything to the Lore
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Not true at all, it (possibly) shows how far is Kris willing to go due to the plan they're involved in.

Besides you don't get to decide what "adds anything" to the lore lol
 
Recon1511 said:
Not true at all, it (possibly) shows how far is Kris willing to go due to the plan they're involved in.
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Me when the stats of the game lie about Kris's strength without reason and they can oneshot all the enemies of the game so far
I have nothing more to say, besides adding that Kris does not move in that scene, they must be much faster than Susie and Ralsei I suppose, it's time to calculate...
 
While we're on the topic, I'm very anti-Kris Slash theory. In the same chapter, Kris is visibly uncomfortable when we make them hurt the 8-bit versions of their friends, and stops holding back their damage against the Knight after it beats up their friends, so they clearly don't like Susie or Ralsei getting hurt. To me, it doesn't really add up for Kris to go from holding back against the Knight to hitting it at full strength, cause it hurt their friends just to roll it back a few moments later and one-tap their friends cause they were doing too well.

But the biggest thing imo, that muddles up the theory is that Kris never has their sword out in that scene. If it was meant to be unclear if Kris or the Knight did the slashes, shouldn't Kris at least have their sword out or something of the like (I.E; them putting away their sword after the slash) to implicate them? To me, at least, I feel like that shows that Kris doing the slashes wasn’t the intended reading for the scene.
 
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By the way, I was replaying chapter 3 and I wanted to see what happens to Mini Kris

It dies/dissapears when Susie disconnects the controller

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Recon1511 said:
Not enough to discard the theory, not to mention that Tenna calls Kris the Roaring Knight too.
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No, he doesn't. This never happens.
Recon1511 said:
We don't know if it would be out of character or not.
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Kris looks away when they have to stab the game-universe versions of Susie and Ralsei during the mantle quest, and does way more damage to the Knight when Susie and Ralsei are SWOONED.
 
Kris absolutely did not Swoon Susie and Ralsei. the framing is literally impossible for them to have done it, Susie is swooned despite being much stronger than Kris, it's never brought up by anyone, and the supporting evidence contradicts itself
 
Recon1511 said:
Not enough to discard the theory, not to mention that Tenna calls Kris the Roaring Knight too.
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He literally does not, what?
Recon1511 said:
But really sprite names don't mean anything anyway, it's called like that to make it easier to find in assets folders. Unless we should start calling the Roaring Knight the Sepia Knight now?
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I do not find anything weird about it. Photoshop Flowey isn't even the real name, it's "Flowey X", same with "Undyne X" for Undyne the Undying.

Besides the Knight Theory isn't even supported for three reasons:
  • Kris visibly reacts if they're forced to kill Ralsei and Susie in the RPG, implying that they care about them, something consistent with the interpretation of Kris dealing far more damage to the Knight if the other 2 are down due to them being upset, or the fact that Kris goes on their own to shield Susie and Ralsei from the Knight's blows in that hallway.
  • Ralsei literally does not say anything about it, he'd definitely have a far harsher reaction at the betrayal of one of the members of the legendary heroes. The game in general does not have any reaction/dialogue about it either, despite the fact that the main protagonist butchering their own party members is something that is too important to be ignored from the story, unless Toby's writing became randomly that terrible in that single part.
  • We do not use theories anyway. We don't make a Gaster profile, and we do not attribute anything to him (like Madness Hax for driving Jevil/Spamton insane, EE for him being the voice deleting SAVE Files, etc.), we do not attribute anything to Noelle off vague connections to the Angel, and we do not cross-scale Undertale to Deltarune's Light World off the "Sans is from Deltarune" theory. We only use them only once they were confirmed, but right now, the Kris slash theory is too questionable and contradictory to be used.
 
Just realised the new chapters give more evidence for the “Cyber World was created while Noelle and Berdly were already in the room” theory, suggesting the Knight is someone who is willing to get Noelle involved in this. Carol seems way too strict and controlling to let her daughter freely explore a Dark World, so I guess that’s another reason to knock her off as a candidate.

Oh there’s also a whole scene of Noelle mentioning Dess wanting to take Noelle to a big city just like Cyber City, while she’s simultaneously spelling out Dess’ full name to solve a puzzle. I’m sure that means nothing.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Just realised the new chapters give more evidence for the “Cyber World was created while Noelle and Berdly were already in the room” theory, suggesting the Knight is someone who is willing to get Noelle involved in this. Carol seems way too strict and controlling to let her daughter freely explore a Dark World, so I guess that’s another reason to knock her off as a candidate.

Oh there’s also a whole scene of Noelle mentioning Dess wanting to take Noelle to a big city just like Cyber City, while she’s simultaneously spelling out Dess’ full name to solve a puzzle. I’m sure that means nothing.
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People say "theory" and it's just what happened in the game. Like berdly and Noelle obviously were in the room when the dark world was made. They were gonna be there making their projects. They said they would be there.
 
Comiphorous said:
People say "theory" and it's just what happened in the game. Like berdly and Noelle obviously were in the room when the dark world was made. They were gonna be there making their projects. They said they would be there.
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Yeah maybe “theory” isn’t the correct term. I was always adamantly on the side of the “theory”, but a good amount of people didn’t believe it (mainly because of Kris Knight I imagine). With the new chapters disproving Kris Knight and implying the Knight was hiding in the church closet, it’s pretty clear what happened when Cyber World was made.
 
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Gerson profile almost done. I use parts of Flowerguy1 sandbox. Does anyone have any abilities or feats that I have missed? Or can I post the profile?
 
If we could get feats between Building and (Titan Level) that would be pretty handy. Guess we'd need to get a calc for the height of Tenna, estimate on his weight, and then use the weight of gold per cubic inch, then just use pixel measurements to find how fast he's moving.
 
NGL I think we can close this thread as enough time has passed for spoiler time and we have no reason to abandon the main discussion thread.
 
Edutyn said:
I did a quick calculation on that and... it was just 0.004 tons of tnt.
But, I might be able to get a large building to multi-city block for Tenna.
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Could you post the calc anyway?

And I'm interested in the other feat as well
 
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