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Hazbin 8-A baseline upgrade

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please, it isn't much, just write your OP out coherently, it took me like 5x longer than it had to take to read this, just give your argument and your reasoning without crashing out

I'm fine with scaling specifically Alastor to 8-A on the basis of mogging the almost 8-A feat doer. We can't give "above baseline 8-A" to other people because we don't have a specific value for that, they'd just be "Baseline 8-A but better". I'd also like a list of what characters, specifically, would receive such an upgrade, since I don't know the verse and all you've provided for that bit is "well obviously these guys would get it too".
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I'm fine with scaling specifically Alastor to 8-A on the basis of mogging the almost 8-A feat doer. We can't give "above baseline 8-A" to other people because we don't have a specific value for that, they'd just be "Baseline 8-A but better". I'd also like a list of what characters, specifically, would receive such an upgrade, since I don't know the verse and all you've provided for that bit is "well obviously these guys would get it too".
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Basically, with this the following characters would become 8-A;

Alastor (Reasons in the OP obviously)

Basically all the Overlords, due to being comparable to Alastor in some way.

Stolas, due to being comparable/superior(?) to Overlords such as Alastor

Striker with his Angelic Weaponry due to being able to harm Stolas with them

Basically the main characters of Hazbin Hotel because Vaggie was a former exorcist, and are comparable to her in some way

The Seven Deadly Sins, because they are superior to Alastor
 
Basically the main characters of Hazbin Hotel because Vaggie was a former exorcist, and are comparable to her in some way
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The others seem straightforward if your presentation of things is accurate, but I want explicit clarification: all of the main cast of Hazbin Hotel is comparable to Vaggie, and Vaggie is comparable to Alastor, because she is an exorcist. Why does being an exorcist make her comparable/she still has that same status of power currently?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
The others seem straightforward if your presentation of things is accurate, but I want explicit clarification: all of the main cast of Hazbin Hotel is comparable to Vaggie, and Vaggie is comparable to Alastor, because she is an exorcist. Why does being an exorcist make her comparable/she still has that same status of power currently?
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Being an exorcist means they years were murdering countless sinners, all of which should be greatly superior to sir pentious due to him being quote on quote "a wimp in terms of physicals"

basically anyone worth their cents would upscale above pentious because he's considered pathetic, which includes the main cast because characters like Angel Dust and Vaggie are large threats to him.
 
The OP seems to imply sinners and so on are equivalent to Pentious. But we're not looking for people superior to Pentious, we're giving Alastor baseline 8-A because of how casually he defeated Pentious. Just being superior to Pentious isn't the benchmark for 8-A, we're looking for casual ease. So are the main case comparable to Alastor?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
The OP seems to imply sinners and so on are equivalent to Pentious. But we're not looking for people superior to Pentious, we're giving Alastor baseline 8-A because of how casually he defeated Pentious. Just being superior to Pentious isn't the benchmark for 8-A, we're looking for casual ease. So are the main case comparable to Alastor?
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No, definitely not. I'd post the scan of Husk being terrified of him but it's not really needed
 
Alright.

I'm obviously fine with upscaling from Pentious (for what little breadth of 8-A there is) but if Alastor is the benchmark of baseline 8-A and these guys aren't comparable, I'd be opposed to them being 8-A outright. Maybe we could have a weird "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" thing for people noticeably above Pentious but noticeably below Alastor?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Alright.

I'm obviously fine with upscaling from Pentious (for what little breadth of 8-A there is) but if Alastor is the benchmark of baseline 8-A and these guys aren't comparable, I'd be opposed to them being 8-A outright. Maybe we could have a weird "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" thing for people noticeably above Pentious but noticeably below Alastor?
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this seems fair.
 
Sorry I'm late.

Alastor being 8-A is probably fine, given the sheer difference between him and most sinners that's hammered in over the course of the show.
I essentially agree with Bambu's conclusion for the rest: "At least 8-B, likely 8-A for people noticeably above Pentious but noticeably below Alastor."
 
Just to clarify and not cause more problems
8-A to the following:
Mammon
Bee
Overlords
Stolas
and change the angelic weapons on Strikers to 8-A

And "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Blitz
Striker

Right?

PS: do i put Andre in 8-A outright? And do the rest of the sinners get the at least value, including Loopty?
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
For Andre, he can trade blows with Stolas, so yeah

As for the rest of the sinners, probably no
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K, revised changes:

8-A to the following:
Mammon
Bee
Overlords
Stolas
Andre
and change the angelic weapons on Strikers to 8-A

And "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Blitz
Striker

Should I change Loopty to 8-B+ with everyone else anyway due to sinner physiology tho?
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Gonna make the changes and just make AL baseline, one more thing, the sins get at least right?
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I think that's narratively consistent from what I know, but I didn't finish Helluva Boss.
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people are iffy about that for some reason, unless its agreed here he should get an at least by all relevant parties here of course
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Well he's already upscaling to 8-A. I was thinking more if other Overlords (except Vox who should scale directly) would just have "likely" instead if they lack elaboration on their relative power.
 
FinePoint said:
I think that's narratively consistent from what I know, but I didn't finish Helluva Boss.
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it very much is, stolas was powerless (literally)
FinePoint said:
Well he's already upscaling to 8-A. I was thinking more if other overlords (except Vox who should scale directly) would just have "likely" instead without elaboration.
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does the other staff member concur to this? cuz i dont wanna break more rules as u know FinePoint, ima gud boi =)
 
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