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Hazbin 8-A baseline upgrade

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FinePoint said:
See here.
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"Dude...idk what to even say, get a grip, you don't have to like it, but my questions are reasonable, and her statements trump any CRT on this wiki, so I'll be using her statements for my battles match ups when I'm with my friends thank you very much"

I don't stand by this anymore as it's an overly childish tantrum that shames me to look back on
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
"Dude...idk what to even say, get a grip, you don't have to like it, but my questions are reasonable, and her statements trump any CRT on this wiki, so I'll be using her statements for my battles match ups when I'm with my friends thank you very much"

I don't stand by this anymore as it's an overly childish tantrum that shames me to look back on
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Alright, but we should stop talking about this here since it's irrelevant/derailing.

It appears I may have miscounted as well, but regardless: for the sake of this thread all that matters is we can probably arrange for you to apply it regardless of the outcome of that report.
 
FinePoint said:
Alright, but we should stop talking about this here since it's irrelevant/derailing.

It appears I may have miscounted as well, but regardless: for the sake of this thread all that matters is we can probably arrange for you to apply it regardless of the outcome of that report.
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1. oh yea, no derailing
2. whatever happens happens, but thanks again for dealing with me
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I don't know shit about the verse and nothing is provided here to make me know shit that might help me weigh in, but like. If you, FinePoint, understand and approve of that scaling, then it's fine by me.
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The basics are that the sins wayyy overpower anyone else to the point of basically being told to the audience they are god tiers, so an at least
Stolas is implied to be above most overlords so ditto to at least
AL dominated overlords ez in the past, so should probably be an at least as well for baseline
Vox was implied to have fought and beat AL (supposedly) so he scales to him
Loopty should get the 8-B+ off being a sinner
and Charlie is half Seraphim, for the at least

Does that give you enough context?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I don't know shit about the verse and nothing is provided here to make me know shit that might help me weigh in, but like. If you, FinePoint, understand and approve of that scaling, then it's fine by me.
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Well basically I watched all of Hazbin Hotel and like the first two seasons of the spin-off (Helluva Boss).

I don't typically consider myself a "supporter" in the sense that I don't know all the details on how we've historically scaled it and/or what specific feats are accepted/rejected.

That said, I can at least confirm that, narratively, the scaling makes sense to me.

I wouldn't normally encourage blindly trusting me, or anyone really, but unless other knowledgeable people object it's probably fine.
Though if your goal is to actually understand it, I could answer most questions about it.

@DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt All that is to say it seems like there's currently no objections to you applying it now.
So feel free to do so before you're banned, and if there's nitpicks by the supporters I'm almost certain they'll make another thread about it anyway.
 
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FinePoint said:
Well basically I watched all of Hazbin Hotel and like the first two seasons of the spin-off (Helluva Boss).

I don't typically consider myself a "supporter" in the sense that I don't know all the details on how we've historically scaled it and/or what specific feats are accepted/rejected.

That said, I can at least confirm that, narratively, the scaling makes sense to me.

I wouldn't normally encourage blindly trusting me, but unless other knowledgeable people object it's probably fine.
Though if your goal is to actually understand it, I could answer most questions about it.

@DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt All that is to say it seems like there's currently no objections to you applying it now.
So feel free to do so before you're banned, and if there's nitpicks by the supporters I'm almost certain they'll make another thread about it anyway.
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K
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
The basics are that the sins wayyy overpower anyone else to the point of basically being told to the audience they are god tiers, so an at least
Stolas is implied to be above most overlords so ditto to at least
AL dominated overlords ez in the past, so should probably be an at least as well for baseline
Vox was implied to have fought and beat AL (supposedly) so he scales to him
Loopty should get the 8-B+ off being a sinner
and Charlie is half Seraphim, for the at least

Does that give you enough context?
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Just waiting to see if the context gives him any second thoughts
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
and Charlie is half Seraphim, for the at least
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Adding to this, even regular angels are generally considered far superior to sinners, even Overlords being unable to damage them without Angelic Weapons.

Seraphims are like elite angels, so presumably even stronger.

In addition, Charlie kind of fought along with Lucifer to defeat Adam.

She also has multiple statements along the lines of being "powerful like her father".

So it seems, narratively, that there's very strong implications she's at least far stronger than Alastor and probably on the level of a full angel.
 
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🫵 I already agreed to the old scaling, I dunno what you're waiting for. The "new" scaling's (the stuff Monarch posted above) only change seems to be that Charlie is fine to receive 8-A (go for it) and that Alastor and Stolas should receive "At least" (disagree).
 
So these are the agreed changes

8-A to the following:
Mammon
Bee
Overlords
Stolas
Andre
and change the angelic weapons on Strikers to 8-A

And "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Blitz
Striker
Loopty to 8-B+

And was the consensus to give all the following:
Alastor
Andre
Stolas
Vox
Sins
Charlie
the "at least" or was it just:
Alastor
Vox
Sins
Charlie
Because the whole "Al and Stolas are comparable" thing is being considered to be removed?
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
I have been far too mouthy about this verse for a lifetime, I don't agree at all, but Ik that doesn't matter, IG making this CRT was a waste of everyone's time, sorry.
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It's fine to upscale into 8-A lmfao, At least 8-A was denied, but there is still value to be had here if you really want it.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Imps have a downgrade in the works, which includes the removal of Pentious being a wimp physically WoG.
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That WoG statement being used for scaling always felt weird to me, like yes, he's a wimp, but that doesn't really mean that he's like the "weakest sinner in history" and that "every sinner not matter if they don't really have feats at all are suddenly superior to him and should scale to anything that he does", like did the wimp statement even said that he's weaker than all sinners in existence? He could've just been a wimp in comparison to the cast of Hazbin Hotel, not necessary all citizens of Hell itself
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
That WoG statement being used for scaling always felt weird to me, like yes, he's a wimp, but that doesn't really mean that he's like the "weakest sinner in history" and that "every sinner not matter if they don't really have feats at all are suddenly superior to him and should scale to anything that he does", like did the wimp statement even said that he's weaker than all sinners in existence? He could've just been a wimp in comparison to the cast of Hazbin Hotel, not necessary all citizens of Hell itself
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yeah. Especially when we have no name sinners getting soloed by boulders and alike when Pentious isn't.
I personally always thought it was in comparison to the main Cast since it made the most sense
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
yeah. Especially when we have no name sinners getting soloed by boulders and alike when Pentious isn't.
I personally always thought it was in comparison to the main Cast since it made the most sense
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Not even that he's relatively comparable to Angel Dust and Husk who are by no means average sinners lmfao
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
So these are the agreed changes

8-A to the following:
Mammon
Bee
Overlords
Stolas
Andre
and change the angelic weapons on Strikers to 8-A

And "At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Blitz
Striker
Loopty to 8-B+

And was the consensus to give all the following:
Alastor
Andre
Stolas
Vox
Sins
Charlie
the "at least" or was it just:
Alastor
Vox
Sins
Charlie
Because the whole "Al and Stolas are comparable" thing is being considered to be removed?
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Remove blitz, striker (Without weapons), and loona for 8-b and above for now, remove al, Vox, and Charlie from the "At least" category and I believe everythings good. The sins, at moment, are the only people that are seeming agreed to get the "At least" rating but I maybe wrong and no one is getting it.
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Just, remind me where I link this thread?
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the "Describe what you changed" thing
 
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