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how are things coming along now?
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Hazbin 8-A baseline upgrade
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not at all due to life things, but I can start with the mid and high tiers right about now
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I just finished the outright 8-A's, but I have some important matters irl to attend to, so I'll get all the possibly ones done at another time, just to refresh, this ARE actually the only applicable ones for that right?:
"At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Striker (Angelic Weapons)
Loopty to 8-B+
Do NOT apply to:
Any other sinners
Husk
Angel
Etc.
"At least 8-B, likely 8-A" to the following:
Vaggie
Lute
Striker (Angelic Weapons)
Loopty to 8-B+
Do NOT apply to:
Any other sinners
Husk
Angel
Etc.
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Can we also edit the "powers of the verse" sect?
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Ya, gonna fix that to align too, you can if you have the time, just link to this thread
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Yeah, that's fine
Why is he getting that? he has no scaling to Pentious (and the wimpy Pentious stament is getting removed so
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Oh right, that, nvmWhy is he getting that? he has no scaling to Pentious (and the wimpy Pentious stament is getting removed so
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So this section on powers of the verse:
"The Mid-Tiers of the verse surpass the likes of both shows combined, having well above the City Block level+ feats, of which one of the Mid-Tiers performed casually"
I propose this now:
"The Mid-Tiers of the verse surpass the likes of both shows combined, scaling to Multi-City Block level, scaling to baseline and above the City Block level+ feats, of which one of the Mid-Tiers performed casually"
"The Mid-Tiers of the verse surpass the likes of both shows combined, having well above the City Block level+ feats, of which one of the Mid-Tiers performed casually"
I propose this now:
"The Mid-Tiers of the verse surpass the likes of both shows combined, scaling to Multi-City Block level, scaling to baseline and above the City Block level+ feats, of which one of the Mid-Tiers performed casually"
Anonymous_Learner
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I believe that's good and makes sense
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If anyone has a problem, I can just fix it
Anonymous_Learner
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ye yee
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Done
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Shouldn't Loopty at least scale to Imps cause Sinners > Imps iirc making him Large Building level
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Logically yes, but something tells me thats somehow against something else
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Sorry but no, the Large Building level stats come from the main cast of Helluva Boss, and those fellas are shown constantly to be superior to other hellborn demons, including their own imp kind, and there's not really proof of Sinners being objectively superior to hellborn demons like Imps, and we know that Sinners aren't inherently superior to Imps as we see Blitz easily overpowering that Karen Sinner
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Basically this
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There is actually. Its a fully canon thing that Sinners are more powerful than Hellborn. The entire Hell hierarchy is based entirely off of power, with Sinners being higher up the ladder than Hellborn and thus more powerful by default.
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"Within Hell's civilization, there exists a crude form of hierarchy defined by power, with all of Hell being ruled by a king: the fallen angel Lucifer Morningstar, whose daughter and heir apparent is Princess Charlie."
"Demons of Hell are governed by a crude form of hierarchy, in which one's position in the hierarchy is determined purely by the strength of the individual, and it is dominated by Lucifer, a Fallen Angel, above all other demons (even the likes of Satan and Beelzebub)."
"Demons of Hell are governed by a crude form of hierarchy, in which one's position in the hierarchy is determined purely by the strength of the individual, and it is dominated by Lucifer, a Fallen Angel, above all other demons (even the likes of Satan and Beelzebub)."
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So the imp cast are sinner level then?
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The hierarchy goes:
Lucifer - The King of Hell and the Sin of Pride
Charlie - The Princess of Hell, heir apparent to Hell's throne
The Seven Deadly Sins - Demons who embody one of the seven deadly sins
The Ars Goetia - Hellborn Demons with royal status, including Prince Stolas
Overlords - Demons who wield considerable power
Sinners - Immortal Demons who were once humans on Earth, having sinned were damned to Hell
Hellborn demons - Succubi, Incubi, and other species of demons native to Hell
Imps and Hellhounds - The bottom of Hell's society
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Overlords are all human as far as we know, it's the class given to powerful sinners, other than that, wouldn't that just mean that the IMP are above the average, also, imps are known for physical labor, so while the hierarchy says they are beneath other hellborn, Verosika would totally lose a 1v1 with Blitz, despite technically being above him in the hierarchy.
Eden_Warlock99
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There are exceptions to the rules though, Millie single-handedly wiped out an entire mob of Hellborns.
There's also definitely more at play than just pure brute power, the Ars Goetia aren't all that physically powerful and can get harmed by lads at the bottom of the hierarchy, but it doesn't really matter since they can always just regenerate. The same probably applies to Sinners.
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Sinners haven't shown that kind of regen on screen, but they do have low godly regen due to being able to come back from nothing but their soul
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Or is that immortality? It really functions either way, it just takes a while, implying it's regen
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Millie and Blitz are also acknowledged as being significantly stronger than the average Imp.
When have the Ars Goetia been harmed by an Imp? Striker canonically needed durability-negating holy weapons to be able to harm Stolas.
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1.loona did to Andre, not an imp, but still in the same tier
2.it seems that the angelic weapons are to get past the goeitas natural regen, not durability
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Goetic demons are canonically glass cannons, while overlords can scale to AP due to how they atain power instead of being born with it, think the difference between a full warlock vs a paladin
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Loona, who's a "lowly" hellborn ripped Andy's throat out, and a depowered Stolas was rocking his shit
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This, also am I invisible or something?
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Did we watch the same Season 2 finale for Helluva? Goetias are physical fodders, it's their magic that's potent.
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I feel like they have increased physical strength with magic cause Stolas has been shown to be physically weak without magic but strong with magic
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Like when his magic is removed vs before his magic was removed, he seemed physically stronger than the imps before his power went away
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...and... what physical feats did he show?
Anonymous_Learner
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Come on guys, he threw a water bottle, he's so strong physically!
Anonymous_Learner
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Guys, Blitzo said he can't be harmed and has a questionable feat in a song, he's so durable!
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After rewatching all the scenes he's in he's really only really obviously stronger than them in his Full Demon mode, There's stuff like Blitzø feeling inferior to him however that's probably just a social class thing not physical
Still though Ars Goetia are stronger than the imps (As shown with Andrealphus requiring all of I.M.P. to beat) and iirc Stolas is supposed to be stronger than him at his full power
Still though Ars Goetia are stronger than the imps (As shown with Andrealphus requiring all of I.M.P. to beat) and iirc Stolas is supposed to be stronger than him at his full power
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