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well whatever. Even if what you are saying is true, it's contradicting your planetary claimsWell don't start an argument and then decide not to want to sort this out
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well whatever. Even if what you are saying is true, it's contradicting your planetary claimsWell don't start an argument and then decide not to want to sort this out
This feat occurs after all those planetary feats, so when my argument is talking about pre-space/time storm, how is that contradicting my claims?well whatever. Even if what you are saying is true, it's contradicting your planetary claims
4 ai model with latest version are disagree with you.so the kanji 以来 which is in the raw, means (since; henceforth) which clearly indicates an exclusion from the current event to afterwards.
its literally
Even after pages of arguments, this guy still thinks that Rimuru has recreated the planet tens of thousands of times, despite all the context.my personal interpretation is that it's able to recreate the cardinal world/planet 10k
The fact that space continues to expand is the greatest proof that the Big Bang is still ongoing.It's not a matter of translation nor it includes it.
Do you except the answer of the question "What's the biggest explosion since the big bang?" would be big bang? Or like "the saddest event since 9/11" is 9/11?
This statement includes things from that point, it doesn't include Big Bang.
The answer is Gamma Ray Burst. (or supermassive black hole depending on the interpretation.)
"Since the beginning of universe" does it include that beginning of universe or everything that happened after that?
Because I have proof cardinal world = planet, in fact, due to one of the oppositions mishaps, they proved the other worlds were planets as well. I was on the fence till they called one of the worlds an interstellar world, which is the correct translation.Even after pages of arguments, this guy still thinks that Rimuru has recreated the planet tens of thousands of times, despite all the context.
I can ask gpt to tell me anything and it'll help me out;First I sent line in raw and asked to translate it. Then I asked:
And got answer I sent before.
can see that4 ai model with latest version are disagree with you.
edit : bruh can't used discord
what your prompt ? mine was directly not have anything add, just asking for the context.I can ask gpt to tell me anything and it'll help me out;
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So what you sent, isn't very accurate, if what I send isn't either.
what your prompt ? mine was directly not have anything add, just asking for the context.
Just as it says, this was after translating itI'm trying to figure out if that sentence include the creation of the universe, or is talking about the events between the creation of the universe to now
If even AI cannot decide on one version then I guess it's open to personal interpretation. If you want to keep arguing about it, feel free to. But I doubt any of you will come to any conclusion if even author probably just threw this line without deeper thinking about it (just like he probably did with 90% of things that were discussed and analyzed from every possible angle for 15 pages)I can ask gpt to tell me anything and it'll help me out;
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So what you sent, isn't very accurate, if what I send isn't either.
I agree he didn't but that's not going to stop people from wanking characters off said interpretation, so the meaning definitely needs to be confirmedIf even AI cannot decide on one version then I guess it's open to personal interpretation. If you want to keep arguing about it, feel free to. But I doubt any of you will come to any conclusion if even author probably just threw this line without deeper thinking about it (just like he probably did with 90% of things that were discussed and analyzed from every possible angle for 15 pages)
Just as it says, this was after translating it
Until you learn what "context" and "common sense" mean, please don't tag me unless I tag you.Because I have proof cardinal world = planet, in fact, due to one of the oppositions mishaps, they proved the other worlds were planets as well. I was on the fence till they called one of the worlds an interstellar world, which is the correct translation.
Interstellar world legit means a world between the stars, I doubt a universe is fitting between stars. So this is clear indication of non-universe sized "worlds"
this why we need humans, FLESHIES > ROBOTS.mine chat gpt said otherwise with exact prompt![]()
I tagged you cause you responded to me. So I won't stop.Until you learn what "context" and "common sense" mean, please don't tag me unless I tag you.
don't waste your time explaining it to himUntil you learn what "context" and "common sense" mean, please don't tag me unless I tag you.
Crazy how when there is any sort of opposition, this is the response. Dw, The CRT will be made, so if you'd like to voice your own opinions and provide evidence, you can do so then.don't waste your time explaining it to him
Interstellar world legit means a world between the stars, I doubt a universe is fitting between stars. So this is clear indication of non-universe sized "worlds"
you are just making a fool of yourself for being ignorant and i cant even fathom why your intelligence and comprehension is so lowCrazy how when there is any sort of opposition, this is the response. Dw, The CRT will be made, so if you'd like to voice your own opinions and provide evidence, you can do so then.
So world can = civilization too? I mean sure, but in that context, it doesn't seem very true to it's title. That still would mean, Civilization between the stars. But wasn't it a fleet commander? that would probably indicate space travel, which would mean that civilization is far spread instead of just between the stars. I don't see how the term civilization could be accurate in context.is that section was talking about civilization rather than size ? this is what i get according slime reader, also interstellar is the terms often used when identfying civilization, no ?
Another screenshot to add to my collection of name calling/ad hominem from this community lol, typical response.you are just making a fool of yourself for being ignorant and i cant even fathom why your intelligence and comprehension is so low
does it hurt your ego?? cause its true ??Another screenshot to add to my collection of name calling from this community lol, typical response.
then from where the size was ? the prior or after context never mentioning size iirc.So world can = civilization too? I mean sure, but in that context, it doesn't seem very true to it's title. That still would mean, Civilization between the stars. But wasn't it a fleet commander? that would probably indicate space travel, which would mean that civilization is far spread instead of just between the stars. I don't see how the term civilization could be accurate in context.
It was talking about worlds where people live, so unless other worlds = civilization, I don't see that being the case.
cringedoes it hurt your ego?? cause its true ??
not as cringe as himcringe
Context clues. Those worlds she visited were implied to be the planets, since prior we get this line from Volume 16then from where the size was ? the prior or after context never mentioning size iirc.
Context clues. Those worlds she visited were implied to be the planets, since prior we get this line from Volume 16
Which clearly differentiates parallel worlds from these other dimensions. It also implies parallel worlds exists inside dimensions, so parallel worlds > dimensions.Humanity was born, interlocked in parallel worlds of other dimensions.
Now we know parallel worlds are not the correct term as stated in vol 17;
So clearly when referencing the parallel worlds in vol 16, it's regarding other worlds since that term didn't fit as proven in vol 17.He created many worlds. There was one world, and there were no parallel worlds. But there were other worlds.
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Since there are clear differences in the origins and laws of the world, it is concluded that it is not a parallel world, but for some reason the names are similar.
Now, I think it's fine and safe to conclude dimensions are in reference to universes, since they use them quite interchangeably (All slime reader btw);
There were also forces that came from other dimensions, but they were all destroyed by one of these three forces.
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We do not know where Ivarage came from. In fact, it was unknown where it originated. It could be from the far reaches of space[universe宇宙], or even at the edge of another dimension…
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Charys was a majin of great strength. Even to Zalario, who had destroyed many dimensions, Charys belonged to an extremely rare group of excellent talents.
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But after calming down and thinking about it, there was undoubtedly only one reason why Velgrynd was here. Velgrynd had leapt through the dimensions in pursuit of Rudra.There were different levels of civilization, and Velgrynd had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in.
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If the Velgrynd exists in the same dimension[here it's used as a spatial aspect, like in space/time] at the same time, the exact space-time coordinates can be recognized.
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He was an Aggressor tribe in every dimension and had many collisions with the Velgrynd throughout her long journey.
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If they were in the same world, she could be sure that they were the same nation and the same person, but there are also similar worlds in other dimensions.
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At the same time, they had developed the Underworld Gate, which leads to other dimensions, and had their sights set on a further invasion.
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It’s a shame. But why? There’s no way a being like her can move between dimensions. Even the Underworld Gate, which we’ve been working so hard to expand, still can’t call Cornu-sama[Who was stuck in the Other World].Cornu’s primary mission was to invade other dimensions, and Zalario’s was to deal with the insectars.
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Milim and Obera adjusted a special wavelength that would work only between the two of them. It would take a lot of magic to cross dimensions, but with their level of skill, it would be no problem.
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«At the time when the forces between Guy and Milim clashed, a catastrophic destruction occurred, and the energy was forcibly expelled to another dimension to minimize the damage.No matter how far apart they were, even if they existed in different dimensions, their shared will would never be severed.
Now take the word universe;
Also, because parallel universes[Implying other universes exist at the same time] do not overlap, it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same timeline.
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The universe is vast, but not as vast as the other worlds. [This was proven not to be other worlds but the Other World, since it describes the place Cornu and the rest of the phantoms are, plus this;]https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensu...g-revision-part-3-revised.179236/post-7086781The OTL and MTL use terms like "same universe" or "this universe" implying this or that. Although "this universe" isn't in the raws, It does help clarify things.Even within the same universe, space expanded faster than light.
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That is correct. Time has stopped in this place. The expansion of space has also reached its end. The law of entropy has guided this universe into its final stasis.
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Here, the stars had long since exhausted their natural lifespan, but the world itself had not yet collapsed. It is presumed that Feldway’s power was limited strictly to destroying the universe of the key world.
Same with "universe of the key[Cardinal] world." This is talking about the universe the Cardinal world exist in, which we know as dimensions with prior implications.
So this can easily just be said that Fuse stopped solely using the term "dimension" to reference to universe. I think this segment clears alot up;
This clearly implies dimensions = worlds[in this context] = universesIt was possible to leap toward the wavelengths released by a living target, but if they existed in another dimension, it was impossible to reach them. Even if she knew the timeline, position data, and other information she needed for her target location, if there was a dimensional barrier separating her from it, she lacked the power to cross it at all.
This was why Mai gave up on returning to her original world.
In some instances, it was possible to cross this barrier if you were just going to an adjacent dimension. It was a case-by-case thing, though. The “walls” in question could be of varying heights, so sometimes it wasn’t doable, no matter what. The only way around that was to find an Underworld Gate or some other rift and just explore, explore, explore.
Mai had an essentially infinite lifespan now, but even then, she had to write it off as undoable. Every dimension, after all, ran on its own temporal axis. If two worlds ran on synchronized axes, there’d be no time difference if you jumped between them—but in reality, this wasn’t something to expect. Even within the same universe, space expanded faster than light.
The reason why is because it was talking about "every dimension...ran on its own temporal axis" to "if two worlds[referencing those same dimensions] ran on synchronized axes..." to then "Even within the same universe..." Which is still referring back to those same dimensions.
So I think the proof that dimensions = universes should at least be correct and fair.
So now the sizes of the other worlds.
My point about them being planets is the context of what velgrynd goes to. Her first place;
First, she found herself on a starry continent where civilization was still in its infancy.
Her first jump was to a planet with a continent on it, obviously since It's doubtful an alive Rudra is floating in space, but this should signify what she is calling a world. She has no context that she is in another universe until after her last jump.
Context continues to support this;
The different levels of civilization should help us note things, there are worlds she visits that have no concept of space travel, so to say the "world" in those extend to the entire universe doesn't hold much contextual weight.Velgrynd had traveled through all those worlds. But all of it was not of her own intention, but by what she was guided to. There were different levels of civilization, and Velgrynd had no way of guessing which dimension or timeline she was in.
Even this, "minister of a SMALL COUNTRY." [Implies said country is in the world. I don't think anyone would agree a country is a part of a universe] "The poor scientist in the civilized world." [I doubt a poor person would be able to traverse space, so there's no reason to imply world here meant universe] "The fleet commander of the interstellar world." [Like I said before, interstellar means between the stars. Can't have a universe between stars.]The fleet commander of the interstellar world. The minister of a small country in the world of swords and magic. The rare scammer in the world without magic. The poor scientist in the civilized world.
I think the Interstellar argument is even the most damning of it all. This should provide context to the prior lines;
Every single thing that's stated can only be observed if you go into planets, or planet like places, like a space station or obviously some artificial planet.From the familiar world where swords and magic are the norm, to the world where magic is non-existent and cannot be used. There was also a rare world where scientific civilization had developed and humankind had become mechanized. There were weak worlds that could be blown away by a True Dragon if it unleashed all of its strength, and there were desolate worlds where angels and demons comparable to awakened Demon Lords were in constant conflict.
The Weak worlds also could be considered small worlds due to the kanji 弱小世界, which breaks down as
弱 = weak
小 = small
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Considering it can denote a size, wouldn't that also pertain to the fact that at that point in time, there were mostly just planetary feats, nothing more, and that would regard those weak/small worlds as planets since their size was smaller, which made them weaker? This one however can just be dismissed, it's not perfect evidence to use.
Also calling a universe "desolate", would be strange considering demons and angels were fighting in/on them, which I don't know if it's consistent they fight in outer space or not, so that must refer to planets they mess up due to their fights.
There's too many heavy implications that other worlds refer to the planets inside these dimensions/universes.
So considering the ability to observe said places, and the fact there are implied to exist inside dimensions/universes, with the heavy implication that velgrynd jumps into planets and sees continents or equally planetary like things, it should be consistent other worlds = planets.
EDIT: I also want to note the cardinal world was blatantly called a planet/earth[地球].
There's TOO much evidence to prove these things are only planets.
don't waste your time explaining it to him
you are just making a fool of yourself for being ignorant and i cant even fathom why your intelligence and comprehension is so low
does it hurt your ego?? cause its true ??
not as cringe as him
Let's keep this civil and try not to be toxic.are you delusional?
so, you saying our are same ? because we live in planet, that's mean we just live in a planet size plane ? remember, velgrynd was pinpointing the location by rudra fragment soul, obviously that gonna teleport to planet where people live, there is 0 reason why this are corelate to size in first place.Her first jump was to a planet with a continent on it, obviously since It's doubtful an alive Rudra is floating in space, but this should signify what she is calling a world. She has no context that she is in another universe until after her last jump.
Other way Around, if the world are planet, how about the "stary" continent ?The different levels of civilization should help us note things, there are worlds she visits that have no concept of space travel, so to say the "world" in those extend to the entire universe doesn't hold much contextual weight.
again, same reason with first, no indication of size being mentioned in here, not only this, you really want to corelate where people live with size of the plane ? also the fact your "example" was indeed not advanced in civlization, hence they was "still" on the "planet", notice the narator not mentioning place anymore when into intestellar one ? yeah that because to shown the sheer amount civlization that have, they "scatter" around, not in fixed place in one planet when the civilization are still low...Even this, "minister of a SMALL COUNTRY." [Implies said country is in the world. I don't think anyone would agree a country is a part of a universe] "The poor scientist in the civilized world." [I doubt a poor person would be able to traverse space, so there's no reason to imply world here meant universe] "The fleet commander of the interstellar world." [Like I said before, interstellar means between the stars. Can't have a universe between stars.]
I think the Interstellar argument is even the most damning of it all. This should provide context to the prior lines;
Spoiler: Vol 17
do you realize or not, that "miniature of the earth" was the terms used for simplify things ? what the same thing you referred to if there is 3d projection map on globe shape ?.EDIT: I also want to note the cardinal world was blatantly called a planet/earth[地球].
That was an opening to start the conversation, secondary evidence which sort of guides how the arguments will go.so, you saying our are same ? because we live in planet, that's mean we just live in a planet size plane ? remember, velgrynd was pinpointing the location by rudra fragment soul, obviously that gonna teleport to planet where people live, there is 0 reason why this are corelate to size in first place.
It's a mistranslation it seems, cause Hoshi星 can mean planet as well.Other way Around, if the world are planet, how about the "stary" continent ?
Interstellar means, in between stars. So saying "interstellar world", is the same as saying "world between stars." Which indicates the world fits in between stars. Since world in the sense of a universe wouldn't fit in between stars, we can use process of elimination to conclude it means a planet between stars. Unless you think world = civilization, which makes no sense as if there's already space travel, why would they be at a place in between stars, not in a solar system already like how all life starts?again, same reason with first, no indication of size being mentioned in here, not only this, you really want to corelate where people live with size of the plane ? also the fact your "example" was indeed not advanced in civlization, hence they was "still" on the "planet", notice the narator not mentioning place anymore when into intestellar one ? yeah that because to shown the sheer amount civlization that have, they "scatter" around, not in fixed place in one planet when the civilization are still low...
There was really no sense made here.do you realize or not, that "miniature of the earth" was the terms used for simplify things ? what the same thing you referred to if there is 3d projection map on globe shape ?.
then, if you saying "universe of the key world" was the "key world" is the properties of the "universe", you same with saying "legs of the chair" with "chair" are properties of "legs" ?
It's about the agenda, not facts.why are you arguing using chatgpt as soldiers for what the word "since" means
since does not include the event itself
"the best thing since sliced bread" does not include sliced bread
"the biggest building made since the burj khalifa" does not include the burj khalifa
it's comparing to something else and explicitly excluding that thing (otherwise wtf is the point of the comparison at all if the answer is a completely different thing to what you're actually referring to)
Thanks for that input, really needed that.why are you arguing using chatgpt as soldiers for what the word "since" means
since does not include the event itself
"the best thing since sliced bread" does not include sliced bread
"the biggest building made since the burj khalifa" does not include the burj khalifa
it's comparing to something else and explicitly excluding that thing (otherwise wtf is the point of the comparison at all if the answer is a completely different thing to what you're actually referring to)
now you contradict this.Legs of a chair would still imply the leg is apart of the chair just like the key world is apart of the universe, which still means key world is not the universe. So this doesn't defeat the argument or address the main point. The issue is Cardinal/key world =/= Universe.
so, we can't do create opinion on general thread now ? great ig.It's about the agenda, not facts.
Is the leg the whole of the chair? No, it's only a portion of it. The analogy works against your argument.now you contradict this.
Legs of the chair = leg is apart of the chair
universe of the key world = key world is apart of the universe ?
why do you complete opposite for the scans ?
who said that was whole chair...you can't see the problem.Is the leg the whole of the chair? No, it's only a portion of it. The analogy works against your argument.
Using that means the key world isn't the whole of the universe merely a part of it. That means you agree Universe > Cardinal world.