Itachi Vs Sirius (Battle for 9th Non-Smurf 7-A)

[Arcker123]

Nuh uh

 

[DaReaperMan]

Nuh uh

As a wise man once said: "I like your deck... I think I will TAKE IT!"

 

[Catbowtie]

it isnt an NLF if its an ability they have shown to be able to perform, NLF is a completely different fallacy

NLF basically limits a character to only what is shown or what they would scale to.

In this case, if Sirius is to be more skilled than Emilia, then he would assumedly be able to perform the same feat. However, this means nothing when said "explosion" is happening at a speed faster than what Sirius can perceive or react to. To say that Sirius would be able to dodge Itachi's Speed Blitzing Beads when Sirius doesn't have any evidence that he can dodge something that Speed Blitzes him (even then, there's some stipulations that can happen with that), is indeed an NLF. So yes, NLF does apply here.

It's simply one of the very few ways a character can get around getting out-skilled: either Speed Blitz or out Hax them. I'd bet even Reinhard would get Stomped by Jetstream Sam if we were to equalize speed and place them at Standard Melee Range.

 

[Arcker123]

As a wise man once said: "I like your deck... I think I will TAKE IT!"

What happened to him as he tried to get out those words

 

[DaReaperMan]

What happened to him as he tried to get out those words

Lmfao

Unironically I think under a close range scenario Genjutsu GG just works on Rafaam since he can be heard, but he's not going to try to talk ******' four kilometers away lol

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

This is one of the times where an author is wrong about their own story.

this is literally the ending, what on earth do you mean

What are these?

The other if stories mimigau is genderbent if, there is another one called school if, gluttony if is post arc 6, and aganau is another arc 3 if where Subaru doesnt die for 20 yrs. In that if too he goes back to arc 3 when he dies after finally defeating Petelgeuse

dodging requires you to leave the AoE of an attack. If you didn't leave it, you either tanked it or warped reality. Causality manip works fine for that, as you're changing the effect (leaving a room) of a cause (dodging a room-sized explosion)

Elsa isnt special enough to have those abilities, but if you want to, you can make a CRT for it. The end result doesnt really change though

I'm not appealing to reality. I'm appealing to the wiki which we are debating on. Dodging an AOE attacks without leaving a room isn't a skill feat on the wiki.

That's great. Still doesn't make it a skill feat. And if you didn't categorize an ability for it and no explanation for how it's done it means you didn't index it on the wiki. Itachi is still blowing her up with a bigger explosion.

well guess what, its on the profiles
It also doesnt really matter what you want it indexed as, the end result isnt changing

Actually scratch that. Itachi is just on tapping her with genjutsu.

he needs to sense her to do that and you know what happens then dont you?

The trigger for being affected by her Authority is simply seeing her, hearing her voice, feeling her presence, or being aware of her existence

Also a CRT is not needed for anything. Itachi genjutsu already has 4layers approved. If soul manipulation was added it simply means he has 4layers

4 layers of mind hax yes, not soul manipulation tho

 

[Catbowtie]

What happened to him as he tried to get out those words

They call him 007

0 Uchiha bodies stolen
0 chances to win against any relevant Uchiha
7 war crimes that were meaningless

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Grace is over. Itachi won.

Chakra being spiritual and having soul manipulation is on the page.

....It being on the page makes it accepted?

His mind hax is spiritual via Chakra pogger.

soul manipulation hasnt been accepted to have 4 layers. only mind hax has

.....

What?

The explosion is not only much faster than her, but is of a much wider range and power, how could that be easier?

if he shoots it from a distance of ******* 4km then it matters a lot less how fast it is when she gets plenty of time to react to it lmfao

SBA kills this sadly.

it doesnt

You haven't done the best job of justifying that...

saying "well its nlf, it doesnt work, or it isnt a skill" aren't really rebuttals at all when what your argument is based on is simply denying the feats happening at all

 

[DaReaperMan]

soul manipulation hasnt been accepted to have 4 layers. only mind hax has

Satella, Satella. It's the same shit. It's like saying Sirius doesn't have a layer in Souluax even though that's LITERALLY just a part of the ability.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

NLF basically limits a character to only what is shown or what they would scale to.

In this case, if Sirius is to be more skilled than Emilia, then he would assumedly be able to perform the same feat. However, this means nothing when said "explosion" is happening at a speed faster than what Sirius can perceive or react to. To say that Sirius would be able to dodge Itachi's Speed Blitzing Beads when Sirius doesn't have any evidence that he can dodge something that Speed Blitzes him (even then, there's some stipulations that can happen with that), is indeed an NLF. So yes, NLF does apply here.

an untrained child Emilia living in the ******* wild, could dodge perception blitzing danmaku. Its not even about being more skilled they are in completely different realms of combat.

It's simply one of the very few ways a character can get around getting out-skilled: either Speed Blitz or out Hax them. I'd bet even Reinhard would get Stomped by Jetstream Sam if we were to equalize speed and place them at Standard Melee Range.

Probably not, he has his own amps + auto dodge + perception amp of like 100x where he can decide what he wants to do (aka use his other abilities like sleep manipulation)

He would probably also just revive even if you kill him Sam isnt stomping Reinhard at all

 

[karo_senpaii]

this is literally the ending, what on earth do you mean

The other if stories mimigau is genderbent if, there is another one called school if, gluttony if is post arc 6, and aganau is another arc 3 if where Subaru doesnt die for 20 yrs. In that if too he goes back to arc 3 when he dies after finally defeating Petelgeuse


Elsa isnt special enough to have those abilities, but if you want to, you can make a CRT for it. The end result doesnt really change though


well guess what, its on the profiles
It also doesnt really matter what you want it indexed as, the end result isnt changing

he needs to sense her to do that and you know what happens then dont you?



4 layers of mind hax yes, not soul manipulation tho

1. irrelevant to the point. She ain't dodging Kms of AOE.
2. None of her hax work. Itachi has resistance to everything.

3. This is becoming redundant. Genjutsu is what is accepted as being layered and not just it's mind hax aspect. It's just everything, both the illusion, mind control e.t.c. if soul manipulation is accepted for genjutsu then it just automatically becomes layered

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hasn't grace started or even ended?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Hasn't grace started or even ended?

it already has

 

[Catbowtie]

this is literally the ending, what on earth do you mean

The author is wrong about the ending

 

[Fezzih_007]

In terms of skills Wrath and Gluttony are close whereas the rest are far behind

Gluttony as we know is far superior to Elsa

Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it

Why even say this at the first place?

And like, no?
Sirius having combat skill inferior to Ley, but also not that far behind like the others, don't mean she more skilled than Elsa. Ignoring how the Greed and Lust are far behind because they rely more on their Authorities than combat skill, trying to prove that Sirius is more skilled than Elsa needs way a direct statement, not this vague "She not that far behind, so she more skilled than basically everyone".

I kinda agree that Sirius wins, but try not lie next time.

 

[Arcker123]

soul manipulation hasnt been accepted to have 4 layers. only mind hax has

Satella, Satella. It's the same shit. It's like saying Sirius doesn't have a layer in Souluax even though that's LITERALLY just a part of the ability.

if he shoots it from a distance of ******* 4km then it matters a lot less how fast it is when she gets plenty of time to react to it lmfao

Itachi can throw it with the same blitzing speed over insane distances in verse

it doesnt

It uh does, sorry. If the knowledge he has via SBA doesn't trigger it, then he won't be affected off rip.

saying "well its nlf, it doesnt work, or it isnt a skill" aren't really rebuttals at all when what your argument is based on is simply denying the feats happening at all

I haven't made that argument. I simply said that it doesn't follow from that feat that she could dodge a nuke much faster than her.

Hasn't grace started or even ended?

It ended at 1. Debate was going on so I was in no rush to add, will get to it eventually.