Itachi Vs Sirius (Battle for 9th Non-Smurf 7-A)

[Arcker123]

Man On His Deathbed Confronts his Wrath​

• Part 2 Itachi Vs Sirius​
• Non-Smurf Rules​

Clan-Killer: @Trihexa102, @karo_senpaii, @AlternativePrinciple, @Delusionaltx2, @Arcker123, @Rocker1189, @DavidTPPM, @DaReaperMan, @Catbowtie

Archbishop: @SatellaTheWoE, @Kazuma_kuwabara

Incon:

 

[karo_senpaii]

Uhhn genjutsu?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Genjutsu gg

 

[Arcker123]

Uhhn genjutsu?

Realistically, the fight starts at 4KM, so both of their mind hax wouldn't be able to reach (Itachi's vision based vs Sirius's voice based). I have Itachi winning via one shotting with Low 6-B Susano'o Yasaka Beads.

I have no clue why this person is above Itachi anywho

 

[Delusionaltx2]

itachis genjutsu is basically layered illusion creation + he should have layered resistance to illusions and mind hax because of sharingan shinanegans

what can the other girl do before both fighters get in range?

 

[Arcker123]

what can the other girl do before both fighters get in range?

Nothing really. Itachi is a stealth master with speed amps like Shunshin to close the distance. It's highly conceivable he sneaks up and places her under a Genjutsu to destroy her mind before she can even realize or speak.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Nothing really. Itachi is a stealth master with speed amps like Shunshin to close the distance. It's highly conceivable he sneaks up and places her under a Genjutsu to destroy her mind before she can even realize.

Welp I'm votting itachi then

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You only need to be aware of SIrius for her LAYERED mind manipulation to activate, it doesnt even matter if Itachi is 4kms away cause the entire city was affected by her passive

This is a stomp for sirius

EDIT: Oh and OP? Just ask in the strongest thread before making a matchup.

 

[Arcker123]

You only need to be aware of SIrius for her LAYERED mind manipulation to activate, it doesnt even matter if Itachi is 4kms away cause the entire city was affected by her passive

Itachi has layered mind manip resistance.

Her range says this

Varies with her Authority (Her Authority affects any who perceive her form, hear her voice, or feel her presence)

Why would Itachi nuking with Yasaka beads entail any of this?

EDIT: Oh and OP? Just ask in the strongest thread before making a matchup.

No

 

[Delusionaltx2]

You only need to be aware of SIrius for her LAYERED mind manipulation to activate, it doesnt even matter if Itachi is 4kms away cause the entire city was affected by her passive

This is a stomp for sirius

EDIT: Oh and OP? Just ask in the strongest thread before making a matchup.

how many layers does she have?

 

[karo_senpaii]

You only need to be aware of SIrius for her LAYERED mind manipulation to activate, it doesnt even matter if Itachi is 4kms away cause the entire city was affected by her passive

This is a stomp for sirius

EDIT: Oh and OP? Just ask in the strongest thread before making a matchup.

if it's not more than 4 it's useless.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

if it's not more than 4 it's useless.

Actually(maybe i'm wrong) but since itachi was seen as this uchiha prodigy I think he had like 5-6

 

[Arcker123]

That's not the argument I'd use for that. He should have 5 based on his stated ability to resist Tsukuyomi (Only pure blooded Uchiha with a Sharingan can resist me blah blah) and Tsukuyomi is five.

Edit: Itachi's accepted resistance layering is 5.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's not the argument I'd use for that. He should have 5 based on his stated ability to resist Tsukuyomi (Only pure blooded Uchiha with a Sharingan can resist me blah blah) and Tsukuyomi is five.

Edit: Itachi's accepted resistance layering is 5.

And because sharingan users use their ocular abilities to see through illusion this should also apply to his resistance to illusion and mind hax.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Itachi has layered mind manip resistance.

does he also resist soul and body? exactly.

Her range says this

if you can sense her at all then you are cooked

Why would Itachi nuking with Yasaka beads entail any of this?

1. that sounds super ooc of him, why would he not just close in like he usually does and try genjutsu
2. he would be killed as well if he does that

how many layers does she have?

2 + it affects soul and body as well, so its useless to have resistance to just mind manipulation

 

[Delusionaltx2]

does he also resist soul and body? exactly.

itachi should have resistance to that as well due to how chakra works in naruto, being the combination of spiritual/mental and physical energy (stated in chapters 17 -18 by kakashi) with genjutsu in naruto working via manipulating the enemies chakra or in the case of sharingan genjutsu sending chakra into a persons body to manipulate.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

itachi should have resistance to that as well due to how chakra works in naruto, being the combination of spiritual/mental and physical energy (stated in chapters 17 -18 by kakashi) with genjutsu in naruto working via manipulating the enemies chakra or in the case of sharingan genjutsu sending chakra into a persons body to manipulate.

1. The beginning of the series statements have been retconned completely as we know chakra wasnt even the combination of a person's spiritual/mental and physical energy that they create on the spot but rather STORED inside of them and was given to them by an otsutsuki. By the nature of that, I believe it is completely disingenuous to use that statement along with ibuki's later on.

2. The soul manipulation is also +2 layers lmfao, also we have concept slop for authorities coming so this will be even more one sided in a while. Itachi is not beating Sirius.

3. Dont say stuff not on the profile, Genjutsu does not have soul manipulation listed along with it, Itachi also does not have any resistance to soul manipulation whatsoever

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

her soul manip does not have enough range tho

Robo, her authority says "varies" because it depends on the PERSON. If they can sense her then they are already goners

Also the more i think about it the less it makes sense for itachi's resistance to work at all, in Naruto what they resist is chakra injection whereas Sirius connects to the Od which is a metaphysical aspect of a person. That resistance literally cannot be translated because he wouldnt have a method to interact with it at all

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

1. The beginning of the series statements have been retconned completely as we know chakra wasnt even the combination of a person's spiritual/mental and physical energy that they create on the spot but rather STORED inside of them and was given to them by an otsutsuki. By the nature of that, I believe it is completely disingenuous to use that statement along with ibuki's later on.

this is not true. In boruto this is still the case as when boruto explains to danki that chkara is made from spiritual/mental energy with stamina. This is further surported by the fact that boruto is able to see the memories of Garaga and project his astral self into his mind.

Also the oats dont store chakra in peps, this is the very thing that got retconed as chakra exsists in everything, from living thing such as humans to even planets. The notion that kaguya brought chakra and spread to peps is what got retconned.

2. The soul manipulation is also +2 layers lmfao, also we have concept slop for authorities coming so this will be even more one sided in a while. Itachi is not beating Sirius.

Genjutsu affects the mind so it also effects the soul as both are connected in naruto.

3. Dont say stuff not on the profile, Genjutsu does not have soul manipulation listed along with it, Itachi also does not have any resistance to soul manipulation whatsoever

Most of the profiles are outdated

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Also the more i think about it the less it makes sense for itachi's resistance to work at all, in Naruto what they resist is chakra injection whereas Sirius connects to the Od which is a metaphysical aspect of a person. That resistance literally cannot be translated because he wouldnt have a method to interact with it at all

Chakra is the life force of the verse, without it peps just die. So itachi is connecting to ones life force or Od if your equaling it here, the foundation of chakra is also that it can connect with peps on a spiritual level and understand others without the need of words

 

[karo_senpaii]

1. The beginning of the series statements have been retconned completely as we know chakra wasnt even the combination of a person's spiritual/mental and physical energy that they create on the spot but rather STORED inside of them and was given to them by an otsutsuki. By the nature of that, I believe it is completely disingenuous to use that statement along with ibuki's later on.

2. The soul manipulation is also +2 layers lmfao, also we have concept slop for authorities coming so this will be even more one sided in a while. Itachi is not beating Sirius.

3. Dont say stuff not on the profile, Genjutsu does not have soul manipulation listed along with it, Itachi also does not have any resistance to soul manipulation whatsoever

Telepathy, Astral Projection, Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction (Mind & Soul), Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Illusion Creation, & Mind Manipulation (Hagoromo originally intended for chakra to be used as a "linking power" that connects people's mental energies, which would allow people to perfectly understand each other and connect on a very deep level without the use of words.[128] This has been observed many times in the series when characters' chakra is connected directly.[129][130][131][132][133] When that happens, the parties involved are able to read each other's thoughts, see through each other's memories, communicate telepathically, and feel what the other party is feeling.[134][135][136] This can also be used to invade other people's mental planes,[137][138][139][140] and fight astral versions of each other which are mental representations of their chakra,[141][142] or souls. The user's chakra can be used to directly interact with the opponent's chakra, harm it through attacks, and even pull it out and steal it, which would result in the opponent's immediate death if all of it is pulled out.[141][142] This can also be used to show people various real images, events, and memories,[143] as well as illusions of things that haven't taken place,[138][139][140] which can potentially lead to the complete breakdown of someone's psyche if used correctly[138][139][140])

This is what robo means. It's something planned for a verse wide revision, coincidentally Itachi is one of the few that already have it.


Also most of what you said is just straight up wrong.

And please where was it accepted as 2layers for soul manipulation

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

this is not true. In boruto this is still the case as when boruto explains to danki that chkara is made from spiritual/mental energy with stamina. This is further surported by the fact that boruto is able to see the memories of Garaga and project his astral self into his mind.

So you are telling me this shit got retconned thrice

Also the oats dont store chakra in peps, this is the very thing that got retconed as chakra exsists in everything, from living thing such as humans to even planets. The notion that kaguya brought chakra and spread to peps is what got retconned.

Genjutsu affects the mind so it also effects the soul as both are connected in naruto.

Wasnt it asura or indra that gave people chakra?

Most of the profiles are outdated

Then update them

Chakra is the life force of the verse, without it peps just die. So itachi is connecting to ones life force or Od if your equaling it here, the foundation of chakra is also that it can connect with peps on a spiritual level and understand others without the need of words

Od and Chakra are not similar enough to be equalized at all, the Od is a sort of a personal world which contains the life force, mind, soul, destiny and a bunch of other stuff. What itachi does would be similar to targetting the gate of a person (which is also a metaphysical organ that a person has) which is kind of like the chakra exit point except unlike in Naruto this shit is not physically interactable. All in all, they are completely different and i dont see how itachi will be able to resist it

Telepathy, Astral Projection, Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction (Mind & Soul), Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Illusion Creation, & Mind Manipulation (Hagoromo originally intended for chakra to be used as a "linking power" that connects people's mental energies, which would allow people to perfectly understand each other and connect on a very deep level without the use of words.[128] This has been observed many times in the series when characters' chakra is connected directly.[129][130][131][132][133] When that happens, the parties involved are able to read each other's thoughts, see through each other's memories, communicate telepathically, and feel what the other party is feeling.[134][135][136] This can also be used to invade other people's mental planes,[137][138][139][140] and fight astral versions of each other which are mental representations of their chakra,[141][142] or souls. The user's chakra can be used to directly interact with the opponent's chakra, harm it through attacks, and even pull it out and steal it, which would result in the opponent's immediate death if all of it is pulled out.[141][142] This can also be used to show people various real images, events, and memories,[143] as well as illusions of things that haven't taken place,[138][139][140] which can potentially lead to the complete breakdown of someone's psyche if used correctly[138][139][140])

This is what robo means. It's something planned for a verse wide revision, coincidentally Itachi is one of the few that already have it.

I see what you are talking about, however i believe robo was talking about the range of Sirius's authority (which said varies) to which i have already replied above

Also most of what you said is just straight up wrong.

yeah apparently things have changed again, i dropped boruto after having to suffer through 120 episodes of filler

And please where was it accepted as 2layers for soul manipulation

hax layering thread (pls dont make me go back and look for it in that unorganized hell )

 

[karo_senpaii]

Technically genjutsu layers might apply to the soul manipulation but since it's not accepted then yeah I'm not sure how Itachi would resist it.

But the description of the ability doesn't seem all that. I mean she's effectively channeling negative emotions at you and trying to make you run mad. How can she do that though if she hasn't even seen him?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Wasnt it asura or indra that gave people chakra?

Nope that was kaguya, indra modified hagoromo's version of chakra called ninshu by introducing stamina into it so more chkara can be made and ninjutsu could be performed

Then update them

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Technically genjutsu layers might apply to the soul manipulation but since it's not accepted then yeah I'm not sure how Itachi would resist it.

Its still connected to the mind

But the description of the ability doesn't seem all that. I mean she's effectively channeling negative emotions at you and trying to make you run mad. How can she do that though if she hasn't even seen him?

itachi could sneek up on her with his stealth mastery and aura surpressiom and just hit her with susanoo. She has no way of sensing him and itachi has speed adventage due to sunshin which is blitz level

 

[Arcker123]

does he also resist soul and body? exactly.

Apparently so...

if you can sense her at all then you are cooked

Sure. You still haven't justified why Itachi would do this to use his Yasaka Beads and nuking.

1. that sounds super ooc of him, why would he not just close in like he usually does and try genjutsu

The Susano'o is not ooc at all. It's actually his go to at extreme ranges as shown with Nagato (The Yasaka are his most powerful ranged attack). Even against opponents he expressly didn't want to kill, he used Yasaka Beads from range as a starter (Kabuto).

2. he would be killed as well if he does that

A. You haven't justified this at all
B. Itachi can just pre-prep an Izanagi and just win then via resurrecting from mutual death.

2 + it affects soul and body as well, so its useless to have resistance to just mind manipulation

All that the Itachi side would need to prove to get his mind hax resistance to resist this is simply to prove that Chakra has spiritual basis (Which would inherently relate to the nature of his mind hax resistance), which has already been done.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

itachi could sneek up on her with his stealth mastery and aura surpressiom and just hit her with susanoo. She has no way of sensing him and itachi has speed adventage due to sunshin which is blitz level

if HE senses her then he is already under her control, its a passive ability

Technically genjutsu layers might apply to the soul manipulation but since it's not accepted then yeah I'm not sure how Itachi would resist it.

But the description of the ability doesn't seem all that. I mean she's effectively channeling negative emotions at you and trying to make you run mad. How can she do that though if she hasn't even seen him?

thats just one application of her ability, she can control your mind to tell you what to do, amplify your emotions infinitely till you die, if you damage her the damage will also be reflected back at you etc etc

ReZero characters can sense intent, hostility and other stuff plus i would presume she would be able to detect people under her control

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Apparently so...

Sure. You still haven't justified why Itachi would do this to use his Yasaka Beads and nuking.

The Susano'o is not ooc at all. It's actually his go to at extreme ranges as shown with Nagato (The Yasaka are his most powerful ranged attack). Even against opponents he expressly didn't want to kill, he used Yasaka Beads from range as a starter (Kabuto).

again if he detects her then he has already lost

A. You haven't justified this at all
B. Itachi can just pre-prep an Izanagi and just win then via resurrecting from mutual death.

and how would he have the information required to do this? he doesnt have prior knowledge.

All that the Itachi side would need to prove to get his mind hax resistance to resist this is simply to prove that Chakra has spiritual basis (Which would inherently relate to the nature of his mind hax resistance), which has already been done.

Od is different enough for them to not be equalized+ her soul stuff is also layered which isnt the case for itachi

Btw, this once again runs into the problem of how would itachi even be able to resist an ability that targets something he hasnt ever been shown to be able to interact with? In fact, since its a different verse mechanism he may not even be aware of it

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

thats just one application of her ability, she can control your mind to tell you what to do, amplify your emotions infinitely till you die, if you damage her the damage will also be reflected back at you etc etc

to reflect the damge she first has to infect him with her mind hax

ReZero characters can sense intent, hostility and other stuff plus i would presume she would be able to detect people under her control

all shinobi can do the same. hell even children from the uchiha clan can do this without proper training. This is the reason why sensory type ninja exsists, they sense the chakra of their opponets not their intent or bloodlust as shinobi can hide that with their stealth mastery, this also impressive because shinobi extend their consciousness into their surroundings to sense for foes and allies and yet this can be evaded by their stealth mastery

 

[Arcker123]

again if he detects her then he has already lost

No he doesn't. He wouldn't even need a specific target to kill her by lobbing Low 6-B nukes comparable in destructive power to this.

and how would he have the information required to do this? he doesnt have prior knowledge.

The Izanagi doesn't require anything to activate but a command. Hell, Itachi can just get his crow to bail him out with Izanagi. This argument presumes some level of start up time though.

Itachi can also just use Kotoamatsukami to free himself of mind hax which is binding his soul directly like Edo Tensei.

Od is different enough for them to not be equalized+ her soul stuff is also layered which isnt the case for itachi

It's not about equalization. You claim the authority has mind hax capable of effecting an esoteric property like the soul. What is being argued is that Itachi's chakra inherently covers the same esoteric property, and as such, his mind hax resistance automatically scales.

Itachi's mind hax resistance haas much greater layers. Idk what you're talking about here.

Btw, this once again runs into the problem of how would itachi even be able to resist an ability that targets something he hasnt ever been shown to be able to interact with? In fact, since its a different verse mechanism he may not even be aware of it

Ummmm. Itachi's chakra has many instances of interacting with the soul. His Susanoo is literally his guardian angel made out of his spiritual energy.

 

[karo_senpaii]

if HE senses her then he is already under her control, its a passive ability



thats just one application of her ability, she can control your mind to tell you what to do, amplify your emotions infinitely till you die, if you damage her the damage will also be reflected back at you etc etc

ReZero characters can sense intent, hostility and other stuff plus i would presume she would be able to detect people under her control

You're not explaining and it's causing confusion. Explain how it worked on someone that sensed her and she wasn't aware. Did the person run mad or?

IS it that once you sense her and become under her influence she herself immediately realises someone is here and under the control of my ability?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

gotta get it acepted

already on her profile

to reflect the damge she first has to infect him with her mind hax

soul washing gg

all shinobi can do the same. hell even children from the uchiha clan can do this without proper training. This is the reason why sensory type ninja exsists, they sense the chakra of their opponets not their intent or bloodlust as shinobi can hide that with their stealth mastery, this also impressive because shinobi extend their consciousness into their surroundings to sense for foes and allies and yet this can be evaded by their stealth mastery

another thing i forgot to add, just being aware of her existence/being in her prescence causes this. Unless you can prove Itachi can somehow stealth master his way out of passive haxes (he cant this isnt re zero), he would be stuck

No he doesn't. He wouldn't even need a specific target to kill her by lobbing Low 6-B nukes comparable in destructive power to this.

just KNOWING she exists is enough, please for the love of god start reading the profiles before making brainless claims

• Authority of Wrath, Soulwashing: Sirius can share or transmit her emotions and senses to others. The trigger for being affected by her Authority is simply seeing her, hearing her voice, feeling her presence, or being aware of her existence. After polarizing emotions such as anger or sorrow, she can transmit it to any person in their vicinity, either taking control of them or resonating a certain emotion between a certain amount of people to raise it to the point of madness which can easily cause death. If she is hurt or anyone else around her is hurt, she can transmit the injury to whomever she wishes, and also intensify it. Additionally, if anyone dies within the effect area of her Authority's effect, she can force others within the same area to die the same way, this also includes herself, so killing her will also result in the death of her enemy and anyone in the surrounding area. The Authority's power to link emotions, senses, and souls cannot be stopped even by Shamak- a spell which severs a person's senses from their body.

The Izanagi doesn't require anything to activate but a command. Hell, Itachi can just get his crow to bail him out with Izanagi. This argument presumes some level of start up time though.

which he doesn't get.

Itachi can also just use Kotoamatsukami to free himself of mind hax which is binding his soul directly like Edo Tensei.

he can't because he would already be under her influence

It's not about equalization. You claim the authority has mind hax capable of effecting an esoteric property like the soul. What is being argued is that Itachi's chakra inherently covers the same esoteric property, and as such, his mind hax resistance automatically scales.

the Od is different from just the soul.

Itachi's mind hax resistance haas much greater layers. Idk what you're talking about here.

ok, different kind of mind hax is being talked about here

Ummmm. Itachi's chakra has many instances of interacting with the soul. His Susanoo is literally his guardian angel made out of his spiritual energy.

good for him, not enough layers

You're not explaining and it's causing confusion. Explain how it worked on someone that sensed her and she wasn't aware. Did the person run mad or?

IS it that once you sense her and become under her influence she herself immediately realises someone is here and under the control of my ability?

Nobody tried sneaking up on her because everybody got auto haxed in her prescence. I suppose Subaru did try doing it on his second loop but that failed because she showed up out of nowhere when she was supposed to exit first then amplified the kid's and Subaru's emotions infinitely till they both pissed their pants and died

My point is: As soon as the matchup starts and Itachi becomes aware of Sirius, he would get soul washed

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

the Od is different from just the soul.

you said it manipulates the mind and soul, and since no nard character can resist soul based mind hax this ability would work on itachi. Doesnt matter if she manipulates the Od, what matters is which ascpect of it she is manipulating which is the soul and mind not the other stuff. And as established above Itachi resists soul abased mind hax and has supperior layers. So this match is in itachi favor

 

[Arcker123]

just KNOWING she exists is enough, please for the love of god start reading the profiles before making brainless claims

What about this contradicts my claim that he doesn't need to precisely aim to throw a nuke?

which he doesn't get.

K.

he can't because he would already be under her influence

The crow acts independently of Itachi and is set in this key to automatically react to his eyes.

the Od is different from just the soul.

Then what the hell is it then?

ok, different kind of mind hax is being talked about here

Mind hax that can effect the soul. Itachi's mind hax is also accepted to have that esoteric function due to the accepted and on profile spiritual abilities of Chakra.

good for him, not enough layers

Itachi has over double the amount of layers this woman has.

 

[Rocker1189]

Itachi's first move normally involves a clone anyway. I don't see why he doesn't just beat her without even being in range himself.

I suppose Subaru did try doing it on his second loop but that failed because she showed up out of nowhere when she was supposed to exit first then amplified the kid's and Subaru's emotions infinitely till they both pissed their pants and died

So Subaru was able to attempt sneaking up on her and the only reason it did not work as you stated is because she showed up unexpectedly. With stealth being Itachi's forte (and he is better than most who are already masters of stealth) I don't see why he can not do the same, even better if he just uses a clone to fight it out with her like he normally does.

Also to learn more about her abilities I decided to check the wiki:

"The Authority's intensity seems to fade the further the range and extension, and the effectiveness can vary drastically between people. Sirius also possesses the ability to exclude people from the effects of her Authority. Her Authority can, however, be resisted by creating emotions intense enough to break them free from its influence. In the case of Priscilla, it was her excessive pride, whereas with Liliana and an entire affected crowd, a combination of roused emotions through Liliana's music and Priscilla's Soul Marriage Technique managed to free them. Likewise, other people can use her Authority against her: when an entire city was at its lowest and most desperate while under the Authority's influence, Subaru took advantage of her Authority to give those very same people hope and morale, to the point that the people were ready to take up arms and were no longer scared of their attackers."

It is not as effective at longer ranges. Strong emotions can resist it as well.

Again I do not see how Itachi with his brilliant mind and his use of clones and crows would not figure it out even if he somehow cannot resist it.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

you said it manipulates the mind and soul, and since no nard character can resist soul based mind hax this ability would work on itachi. Doesnt matter if she manipulates the Od, what matters is which ascpect of it she is manipulating which is the soul and mind not the other stuff. And as established above Itachi resists soul abased mind hax and has supperior layers. So this match is in itachi favor

What about this contradicts my claim that he doesn't need to precisely aim to throw a nuke?

K.

The crow acts independently of Itachi and is set in this key to automatically react to his eyes.

Then what the hell is it then?

Mind hax that can effect the soul. Itachi's mind hax is also accepted to have that esoteric function due to the accepted and on profile spiritual abilities of Chakra.

Itachi has over double the amount of layers this woman has.

You're not really considering how fundamentally different the systems involved here are. Sirius’s Authority doesn’t just hit the mind or soul directly the way a basic soul or genjutsu attack would. Her ability links her emotions, senses, and soul to other people using the Od, which is a unique metaphysical construct in Re:Zero. The Od isn’t something like chakra that characters train, manipulate, or sense. It’s not a network of energy lines or a pool of power. It’s a non-physical, invisible bridge between body and soul that also governs things like mana flow and spiritual health. You can’t sense it with observation skills or scan for it with energy perception. It’s something you’re born with, and most characters never even become aware of its existence unless it’s damaged or disrupted.


That matters a lot here, because Sirius’s hax doesn’t require her to target you directly. Just being aware of her — not even seeing or hearing her, just knowing she exists — is enough to trigger the link. Once it’s active, she can amplify your emotions to the point of death, control your thoughts and actions by overriding your emotional state, transfer pain or injuries to you, and even cause your death if someone else nearby dies. These aren’t conventional attacks. There’s no hand seal, no spiritual burst, no visual effect to react to. She doesn’t need to aim it or activate it — it's passive, automatic, and based on metaphysical proximity.


Now compare that to Itachi. Yeah, he has impressive resistance to chakra-based hax. He can counter genjutsu, resist mind control, and even exert influence over his own Edo Tensei form. But all of that is still happening within the logic of the Naruto verse. His resistances work against chakra-based interference — illusions, spiritual effects, or soul-level jutsu — but they don’t scale to something like the Od, which functions on entirely different metaphysical principles. Itachi has never dealt with a system where the soul and emotions are forcibly linked to someone else's without a jutsu or clear technique involved. He’s never shown the ability to perceive or even recognize something like the Od, and without that, how would he even begin to resist or defend against it?


This is exactly why cross-verse assumptions break down. Saying “he resists soul and mind hax” doesn’t mean he resists every kind of soul or mind hax in fiction. It means he resists the types that exist in his own verse. Sirius’s Authority works on a completely different axis — it bypasses conscious defense entirely and attacks a part of a person that Naruto characters aren’t even built to deal with. Unless you can show that Itachi’s resistances explicitly extend to metaphysical structures like the Od, and that he has any kind of defense against soul-emotional resonance that doesn’t rely on chakra, there's no solid reason to think he would be unaffected.


At best, it's speculative. At worst, it's a total mismatch of mechanics. So no, saying “he resists soul and mind manipulation” isn’t enough here. Not when the nature of the manipulation, the triggering conditions, and the metaphysical structure it interacts with are completely foreign to what Itachi has ever encountered.

 

[Epiccheev]

Solo King would be a threat to Reinhard let alone Sirius

 

[Rocker1189]

he Od isn’t something like chakra that characters train, manipulate, or sense. It’s not a network of energy lines or a pool of power. It’s a non-physical, invisible bridge between body and soul that also governs things like mana flow and spiritual health. You can’t sense it with observation skills or scan for it with energy perception. It’s something you’re born with, and most characters never even become aware of its existence unless it’s damaged or disrupted.

Then how does that work when you can not even equalize this to chakra since Itachi would not have an equivalent to Od? You can not have you cake and eat it to.

This is exactly why cross-verse assumptions break down. Saying “he resists soul and mind hax” doesn’t mean he resists every kind of soul or mind hax in fiction. It means he resists the types that exist in his own verse.

You are giving Od some special hierarchy over other verse abilities without even realizing that if it is based on individuals being born into it then other verses would not have said link in the first place.

Unless you can show that Itachi’s resistances explicitly extend to metaphysical structures like the Od

No you would have to prove in the first place that a similar metaphysical structure exists in Naruto in which she can manipulate and take control of. Again you can not give a special hierarchy to Od when said Od or an equivalent does not exist in Naruto. It would be like soul haxing someone that has no soul. In other words impossible to do so.

At worst, it's a total mismatch of mechanics

It looks like it is a mismatch...where Od does not exist for once verse and thus can not be manipulated to use the abilities.

 

[Arcker123]

Solo King would be a threat to Reinhard let alone Sirius

Itachi negs Reinhard lol. Tsukuyomi GG.

You're not really considering how fundamentally different the systems involved here are. Sirius’s Authority doesn’t just hit the mind or soul directly the way a basic soul or genjutsu attack would. Her ability links her emotions, senses, and soul to other people using the Od, which is a unique metaphysical construct in Re:Zero. The Od isn’t something like chakra that characters train, manipulate, or sense. It’s not a network of energy lines or a pool of power. It’s a non-physical, invisible bridge between body and soul that also governs things like mana flow and spiritual health. You can’t sense it with observation skills or scan for it with energy perception. It’s something you’re born with, and most characters never even become aware of its existence unless it’s damaged or disrupted.

The distinction is just not relevant to what i'm arguing, which is what Itachi's resistance covers. Not anything about equalization. Rocker argued that point well, so I'll leave his response there.

 

[karo_senpaii]

already on her profile

soul washing gg

another thing i forgot to add, just being aware of her existence/being in her prescence causes this. Unless you can prove Itachi can somehow stealth master his way out of passive haxes (he cant this isnt re zero), he would be stuck


just KNOWING she exists is enough, please for the love of god start reading the profiles before making brainless claims



which he doesn't get.

he can't because he would already be under her influence

the Od is different from just the soul.

ok, different kind of mind hax is being talked about here

good for him, not enough layers



Nobody tried sneaking up on her because everybody got auto haxed in her prescence. I suppose Subaru did try doing it on his second loop but that failed because she showed up out of nowhere when she was supposed to exit first then amplified the kid's and Subaru's emotions infinitely till they both pissed their pants and died

My point is: As soon as the matchup starts and Itachi becomes aware of Sirius, he would get soul washed

So like we have zero evidence for someone that got affected without her even knowing the person was there?