JJK AP Upgrade Staff

[Arkenis]

We have permission from Dereck to make a new one in staff threads.

Link to old thread if anyone wants to give it a read. Since the open crt devolved into almost no mod interaction, we've summarized and addressed the points brought up within it which was 13 pages and I'd rather not have mods go through that headache:

7-A Upgrade

The first part of this new thread is the upgrading of the Top tiers and God Tiers of the verse to 7-A or Mountain Level. This comes from the following calcs that have been accepted:

1. Kenjaku surviving and resisting the gravitational pull of a Black Hole

The following calc is not him surviving the black hole itself but the tidal force of it so there is no confusion. The resulting force exerted comes out to 1.803×10^18 Mountain level, this would in turn upgrade the physicals of Kenjaku and other Specials grades due to their relativity to each other narratively and in status. For this calc, there was speculation in the previous thread that was brought up which wouldn’t be fair to not bring up and address.

1. The Black Hole is not a real black hole/hasn’t become a black hole

This is easily rebuked by the facts of what a black hole is, which is a point in space so dense that light cannot escape creating a black void that sucks everything into itself. This is directly outlined in the series through the process it was made, Yuki has the ability to add virtual mass to herself and her cursed spirit up to a certain point (that point being before it collapses into a black hole), which we get told that it creates a black hole with it also saying light, matter and time all get swallowed up. And we can see that it has been a black hole from the get go as there is a black void that creates a super strong gravitational pull through its tidal waves.

1. The level of destruction is not realistic

This is pretty simple. The destruction is small in scale but it was explained that through Yuki’s will and Tengen's barrier it was localised to the area, with Kenjaku even noting that the planet would have been gone as well. Inverse outlining the level of destruction it should have done but explains why it didn’t. It goes without saying, but many fictional displays of natural destruction tend to not be realistic, especially a BH.

1. The design/no accretion disk

It’s a bit spikey and has no accretion disc as an argument in its design, however, there is no consistent design and not the first time mangaka got it wrong, simply artistic liberties. We do see at the end as it became bigger it was more so a uniform sphere, and the disk is not needed as black holes can exist without the disk as it's only there through consumption of matter, which this one was held back from doing as much as possible with its range.

1. Would have swallowed everything at MFTL speeds

This one again is an artistic liberty as every black hole in fiction that characters create would absorb everything in front of them at MFTL speeds, with most if not all calced black holes not doing so. It’s just one of those things that mangaka forget and isn’t a valid reason otherwise all black hole calcs would not be viable to use.

Additionally the following calcs serve as supporting levels of power in this class to show the jump isn't extreme:

1. Mechamaru Mech Output: Mechamaru Ultimate mecha is able to use years worth of energy producing Levels about 1.2x times just shy of Mountain Level itself (depending on the end). This calc has been updated to add other ends to it from its originality.
2. Jogo Meteor: Jogo is able to produce a meteor that is able to produce levels close to the ones above, even praised that it would have damaged 16 finger Sukuna himself.
3. Toge Inumaki's Earthquake: Toge can create effects with his cursed speech technique, here he uses it on Geto to "plummet" or "crumble away" Geto resulting in a earthquake. Additionally, Yuta felt another earthquake after this which was likely Geto. This is on the edge of H7C, basically scaling anyone above him bare minimum L7B. This would be used to scale basically all our first grades and act as further support for the higher scale.

Next we have Gojo performing an earthquake that reaches Mountain Levels of power. This isn't here to be accepted, more to show the verse does indeed have 7-A feats already, it was accepted already also. In addition to this, Gojo powering up a nation works as a supporting feat as well; through his overall output within just a day is within the 7-A range. Only Gojo and Sukuna at full power would scale to this as they are the god tiers of the verse.

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This was brought up in the public crt but completely ignored. This can be addressed after since it'll be replaced and is us just removing the calcs for scaling not the calc themselves.

Removing Low 7-C

Yeah so we've talked about this before and we even had a thread for removing one of these feats for L7C here with several cgms agreeing the calc shouldn't be using vap and thus greatly drops the results making it unusable for higher tier scales. Gojo powering a nation should also be removed. I've explained it before, I'll drop my explanation again. In case anyone brings it up, the recordings were in September 2018 not February 2018. So yeah both these need to be removed.

8-B+

This has been something I've had a problem with for a while, this calc (Mahito Crater) and this one (Body Repel) should not be used for scaling several characters and I'll go over why. It could be something we overlooked, but the body repel is done by a 120% Mahito, and is not an individual "attack" but is Mahito launching numerous trans humans. And we see Yuji and Todo attack them separately, not in one blow. So we shouldn't scale them to it. At most, I can see us scaling Black Flash since Yuji's full power one was enough to mess up Mahito. The crater one is pretty damn obvious, Yuji, arguably the strongest sorcerer in Shibuya, was unable to do anything to Mahito, needed maximum energy BF and was stated he would've been torn apart by him. So yeah, no scaling people to Mahito's literal greatest feats.

Summary

Special Grade Sorcerers and those who scale will be scaled to Mechmaru's calc. Those who are concretely scalable to Kenjaku will scale to Kenjaku. Most of our semi grade ones or first grades will scale to Inumaki's calc.
Kenjaku and those who scale: 430.92 Megatons
Special Grade Sorcerers & Those who scale: Depending on the accepted value, 85.71 Megatons or 16.33 Megatons.
Semi 1 & First Grades: 916.65 Kilotons

 

[KingTempest]

Black Hole​

I'm pretty sure that we don't accept calculations involving resisting a black hole in any capacity whether it's the pull or the tidal force or anything involved with it whatsoever. You said

The following calc is not him surviving the black hole itself but the tidal force of it so there is no confusion.

But the black hole feats in fiction page says

Regular 3-dimensional characters withstanding a singularity​

Now out of the reasons stated above a regular 3-dimensional character would get destroyed when approaching the singularity (the center of the black hole). The tidal forces would become infinite and he or she would be destroyed no matter how high his or her durability is. As such, since saying that a character's durability is infinite is usually an enormous outlier, surviving a singularity can extremely seldom be taken as a durability feat. It can only be understood as a feat for resistance against black holes.

So this literally isn't allowed to work.

Inumaki's Earthquake​

Toge's feat is a dangerous outlier. There is nothing that even approaches this level for literally anybody else in the verse save for the Special Grades and he did that when he was a Grade 2.
The highest feat done by anybody who isn't Toge that isn't an ultimate move of the top 2 strongest characters in the verse is 8-A (not including the ultimate move of a special grade which is 7-B, and the maximum attacks of Uraume [a far above baseline grade 1 sorcerer] which is 7-C), and that's barely above baseline, it's like 120 tons. Him having a High 7-C calculation as a Grade 2 sorcerer is a dangerous outlier when neither other Grade 2 Sorcerers, Semi-Grade 1s, Grade 1s, and even other Special Grade Sorcerers (then Semi-Grade 1 through Special Grade cursed Spirits) lack feats remotely close.

Heck, Naoya is a special grade cursed spirit and he's doing 8-A feats with his maximum fully charged speeds. Uraume's at the level of the higher grade 1s or special grades and they have 7-C feats at maximum.

Gojo's Earthquake​

Even Gojo's feat is an outlier to an extent. Prior he scaled for being able to power china, which got a kiloton. Now he's pulling out near gigaton yields?
I've heard rumors of a scan saying he was able to carve out a mountain in the novels. If that is provided I can remove my suspicions of it being an outlier.

Mechamaru​

This is borderline calc stacking.
Multipliers need direct statements to be proven and a higher preponderance of evidence to be accepted for higher multipliers.
I've seen 100x multipliers get axed because of a lack of support, but this is actually insane.
Mechamaru is showcasing values of multipliers ranging from 31,540,000x (1y), 63,080,000x (2y), to even 157,700,000x multipliers, without a single statement, just built up energy.
There isn't a shred of evidence aiding this point. Not a shred. Nothing. Nada. This has zero support whatsoever and it's putting 8-C and High 8-C calcs up to 7-B and 7-B via multipliers when the only feats of comparable magnitudes are the absolute highest ends shown for characters demonically higher.

Low 7-C​

Yeah these can go.

8-B+​

The crater calc is just flat out wrong regardless so even if it was scaleable it couldn't work. The thing destroyed was just the top layer of an empty cave but the calc measures it as if he hollowed out a cylindrical area.
The body repel is fine, Yuji's max black flash could scale ig.

I'm genuinely surprised because the only thing valid... are the downgrades. Not a single upgrade is valid here save for debatably Gojo's earthquake.
And literally as I'm typing this, this was just produced too. So now the earthquake needs that thread to finish before anything happens.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Mechamaru​

This is borderline calc stacking.
Multipliers need direct statements to be proven and a higher preponderance of evidence to be accepted for higher multipliers.
I've seen 100x multipliers get axed because of a lack of support, but this is actually insane.
Mechamaru is showcasing values of multipliers ranging from 31,540,000x (1y), 63,080,000x (2y), to even 157,700,000x multipliers, without a single statement, just built up energy.
There isn't a shred of evidence aiding this point. Not a shred. Nothing. Nada. This has zero support whatsoever and it's putting 8-C and High 8-C calcs up to 7-B and 7-B via multipliers when the only feats of comparable magnitudes are the absolute highest ends shown for characters demonically higher.

I don't believe Ultimate Mechamaru's feats have even exceeded Tier 8, his blasts carrying several years of charge were like 8-C to 8-B. I'll try finding the calcs

 

[KingTempest]

I don't believe Ultimate Mechamaru's feats have even exceeded Tier 8, his blasts carrying several years of charge were like 8-C to 8-B. I'll try finding the calcs

Here's one of em. High 8-C for his ultimate punch.
Then his cannon, even that is a stronger move than his usual blasts too. Idk wth that's about

 

[SeijiSetto]

Black Hole​

I'm pretty sure that we don't accept calculations involving resisting a black hole in any capacity whether it's the pull or the tidal force or anything involved with it whatsoever. You said

But the black hole feats in fiction page says

So this literally isn't allowed to work.

the key part of that is "when approaching the singularity (the center of the black hole)"
you could orbit a black hole or just straight up leave its pull if you can produce more force than its gravity is exerting on you

i don't really have an opinion on anything otherwise i just wanted to mention that part

 

[KingTempest]

the key part of that is "when approaching the singularity (the center of the black hole)"
you could orbit a black hole or just straight up leave its pull if you can produce more force than its gravity is exerting on you

i don't really have an opinion on anything otherwise i just wanted to mention that part

nevermind then

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Sorry for my intrusion but you guys should check the original debunk of the black hole argument in the other thread, or just call the guys to present said reasons in a single post.

 

[Arkenis]

Inumaki's Earthquake​

Toge's feat is a dangerous outlier. There is nothing that even approaches this level for literally anybody else in the verse save for the Special Grades and he did that when he was a Grade 2.
The highest feat done by anybody who isn't Toge that isn't an ultimate move of the top 2 strongest characters in the verse is 8-A (not including the ultimate move of a special grade which is 7-B, and the maximum attacks of Uraume [a far above baseline grade 1 sorcerer] which is 7-C), and that's barely above baseline, it's like 120 tons. Him having a High 7-C calculation as a Grade 2 sorcerer is a dangerous outlier when neither other Grade 2 Sorcerers, Semi-Grade 1s, Grade 1s, and even other Special Grade Sorcerers (then Semi-Grade 1 through Special Grade cursed Spirits) lack feats remotely close.

Is there some baseline number that's needed for a tier to be acceptable for scaling? I'm sure I can go look through the hundreds of verses, even some of the popular ones, where their highest tier is supported by one or two calcs.

I'm confused. Why is the fact that other characters don't have calcs on the level of another calc now mean its an outlier? When has any verse ever needed multiple characters to have similar calcs to make it viable?

Heck, Naoya is a special grade cursed spirit and he's doing 8-A feats with his maximum fully charged speeds. Uraume's at the level of the higher grade 1s or special grades and they have 7-C feats at maximum.

Naoya's KE with somewhat above sos, isn't gonna demonstrate H7C or 7B destruction. This is the same argument as before, another character doesn't show similar destruction so the calcs invalid, why?

Even Gojo's feat is an outlier to an extent. Prior he scaled for being able to power china, which got a kiloton. Now he's pulling out near gigaton yields?
I've heard rumors of a scan saying he was able to carve out a mountain in the novels. If that is provided I can remove my suspicions of it being an outlier.

You're using the same argument again. One calc doesn't show similar values to another so we invalidate anything higher. Why?
And this one is about Gojo powering these specific nations that have a specific amount of BTU they use. It does not now limit Gojo in what he can actually output, it is simply a means of demonstrating Gojo's capacity to power the nation at its regular requirements.

This is borderline calc stacking.
Multipliers need direct statements to be proven and a higher preponderance of evidence to be accepted for higher multipliers.
I've seen 100x multipliers get axed because of a lack of support, but this is actually insane.
Mechamaru is showcasing values of multipliers ranging from 31,540,000x (1y), 63,080,000x (2y), to even 157,700,000x multipliers, without a single statement, just built up energy.
There isn't a shred of evidence aiding this point. Not a shred. Nothing. Nada. This has zero support whatsoever and it's putting 8-C and High 8-C calcs up to 7-B and 7-B via multipliers when the only feats of comparable magnitudes are the absolute highest ends shown for characters demonically higher.

We have the multiplier statement, it's just in the form of timeframe. Basic math questions in school do this, "A is finding apples. For every day, he finds 4. How many would he have by the 10th day?"
What we need is support for its immense multiplier.
Inumaki's H7C being right at L7B supports the upscale of Special Grade sorcerers being 7B.
Jogo's meteor at 79 megatons, only being able to harm Sukuna supports that those at 15f level supports 7B as well.

Mechmaru not creating 7-B craters with every punch doesn't invalidate the actual potency. If Luffy punches a wall and comes out to 80kj of energy, does that now mean it invalidates every other feat or calc? Obviously not, but why is this logic being applied here now? This is our standard of AP, we don't invalidate higher scaling due to other feats not being similar.

The crater calc is just flat out wrong regardless so even if it was scaleable it couldn't work. The thing destroyed was just the top layer of an empty cave but the calc measures it as if he hollowed out a cylindrical area.

I agree with that.

Sorry for my intrusion but you guys should check the original debunk of the black hole argument in the other thread, or just call the guys to present said reasons in a single post.

Please find them and put them here. Stuff important, not stuff where people kept going back and forth.

 

[SunDaGamer]

While not known exactly the size of Jujutsu Technical is quite large, with it having a large living area for students, teachers, sorcerers and even staff members. It is also only 1 or 2 schools in the country is used for living by the sorcerers in it as well as having a large training area for a track and sports field, as well as a large forest area for environmental training and tournaments between schools. Giving the information I will be using the area of the town of Hinode, 28.07 square kilometres (28070000 squared meters).

Using this formula we can find the radius of the technical school.

Sqrt(28070000m^2/(3.1416))= 2.98920 kilometres

I will be using a magnitude 4.5 as Yuta showed visible concern through his exclamation of "woah" and concerned look with sweet which would match a mercalli V (Intensity: 4-5). Since its less than 60km we use the following formula:

(4.5)+0.0238*2.98920= 4.57114296

this part of Inumaki's calc is just blatantly wrong, we've seen what Jujutsu High looks like and the main campus area is nowhere near 6936.2481 acres. The forest where the goodwill event takes place is irrelevant too because Yuta is nearby on campus in the tall building, not bumming around in some mountain

I'm not sure why the meteor impact formula is being used either, use the artificial quake one

 

[Arkenis]

this part of Inumaki's calc is just blatantly wrong, we've seen what Jujutsu High looks like and the main campus area is nowhere near 6936.2481 acres. The forest where the goodwill event takes place is irrelevant too because Yuta is nearby on campus in the tall building, not bumming around in some mountain

I'm not sure why the meteor impact formula is being used either, use the artificial quake one

I'll wait for more opinions on the size, but the picture isn't the best representation of the size. DMUA said the Earthquake end was fine.

 

[MrTayman616]

nevermind then

She increases her own mass, technically she's the singularity(or at least it will happen inside her). So at that moment, it can't be a Black Hole as singularity didn't form yet (if it had formed, she would get affected by infinite gravity, she couldn't be staying normal, talk etc for a while as her resistance is irrelevant against infinite gravity).

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

this part of Inumaki's calc is just blatantly wrong, we've seen what Jujutsu High looks like and the main campus area is nowhere near 6936.2481 acres. The forest where the goodwill event takes place is irrelevant too because Yuta is nearby on campus in the tall building, not bumming around in some mountain

I'm not sure why the meteor impact formula is being used either, use the artificial quake one

That isn't the best representation of jujustu high because we don't see everything

According to the fanbooks the campus covers two whole mountainsides

 

[SunDaGamer]

That isn't the best representation of jujustu high because we don't see everything

According to the fanbooks the campus covers two whole mountainsides

okay? That's still irrelevant because Yuta isn't bumming around in the mountains

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

okay? That's still irrelevant because Yuta isn't bumming around in the mountains

But campus is in the mountains?

 

[SunDaGamer]

But campus is in the mountains?

the point of reference being used is Yuta, who is right next to the area Geto was fighting Panda and Inumaki. The calc is treating it like he is several kilometers away to increase the magnitude for no reason

 

[Giannysmag]

You guys remember this is a staff thread right? No? Okay then I completely disagree with the thread

 

[Giannysmag]

Does staff thread mean that we cant vote?

Yes, infact we can't even comment without permission

Also if there was text saying it is lowkey I kinda didnt see that part

It's literally in "Staff Discussion"

 

[GunshyFever]

Y'all should delete all non-staff comments and anything from non-staff users that is argumentative rather than contributive. This thread was created to avoid the same predicament as the last one, endless arguments and back and forths that ultimately drove the thread into the ground and cluttered it without reaching a meaningful conclusion. Most of the verses supporters had their voices heard in the previous thread, now it's time for the staff's voices to be heard in turn.

 

[Da3ggman]

Is there any other concern with the Black Hole feat from a calcing perspective?

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Is there any other concern with the Black Hole feat from a calcing perspective?

I aint a staff member

But the answer is no, the math itself is fine

 

[Dalesean027]

I aint a staff member

But the answer is no, the math itself is fine

Were you given permission to comment here?

 

[KingTempest]

All of y’all can leave

 

[PowerToScale]

Just so there is no confusion, I helped out Arkenis with this and I think it fines that I can comment especially some of the calcs are mine. Now thats it done.
First thing to address

Black Hole​

I'm pretty sure that we don't accept calculations involving resisting a black hole in any capacity whether it's the pull or the tidal force or anything involved with it whatsoever. You said

But the black hole feats in fiction page says

So this literally isn't allowed to work.

SeijiSetto has beaten me to it but this ruling is referring to the actual singularity (black orb of a black hole) for simplicities, whereas the calc is calculating the force of the tidal force.

Mechamaru​

This is borderline calc stacking.
Multipliers need direct statements to be proven and a higher preponderance of evidence to be accepted for higher multipliers.
I've seen 100x multipliers get axed because of a lack of support, but this is actually insane.
Mechamaru is showcasing values of multipliers ranging from 31,540,000x (1y), 63,080,000x (2y), to even 157,700,000x multipliers, without a single statement, just built up energy.
There isn't a shred of evidence aiding this point. Not a shred. Nothing. Nada. This has zero support whatsoever and it's putting 8-C and High 8-C calcs up to 7-B and 7-B via multipliers when the only feats of comparable magnitudes are the absolute highest ends shown for characters demonically higher.

I get where the concern is coming from regarding calc stacking and unsupported multipliers, however, I’d like to clarify the reasoning behind the years-of-energy usage as a multiplier in this case and address why it may still hold conceptual merit without necessarily violating the wiki’s Multiplier Standards:

1. Context for the Multiplier: The series directly states that Mechamaru stored X amount of cursed energy over Y years. This isn’t him multiplying his power by a set number, but releasing a stockpile of energy he built up over time. It’s not a stacking multiplier like “2x, 10x, 100x” added onto existing calcs, it’s a one-time use of accumulated energy that would normally be spent gradually.
   
   
2. Energy Accumulation =/= Arbitrary Multiplier: The scaling here doesn’t claim, for example, that “1 year = 31,540,000x base,” but rather that if a character normally uses X amount per unit of time, storing it over years results in a proportional increase in available output. This isn’t speculative stacking but a direct conversion of stored energy into a single burst. This kind of mechanic is common in fiction, where characters release stored energy all at once after charging it over time.
   
   
3. Consistency with Multiplier Standards: According to the wiki’s multiplier rules: “If a character multiplies their power by a certain amount through a power-up, transformation, or technique, it must be directly stated or implied.” The “implied” here comes through the narrative and mechanics of cursed energy in Jujutsu Kaisen, where energy is quantifiable, expendable, and accumulative. If Mechamaru stored 2 years’ worth of his own cursed energy and released it in one attack, it logically follows that the output would reflect two years of energy condensed into a moment. It would be a simple quantity-to-output conversion, not a speculative multiplier stacking.

 

[PowerToScale]

this part of Inumaki's calc is just blatantly wrong, we've seen what Jujutsu High looks like and the main campus area is nowhere near 6936.2481 acres. The forest where the goodwill event takes place is irrelevant too because Yuta is nearby on campus in the tall building, not bumming around in some mountain

I'm not sure why the meteor impact formula is being used either, use the artificial quake one

I’d like to clarify a couple of points regarding this calc. The idea that Jujutsu High is a small, isolated campus isn’t entirely accurate, the school grounds canonically stretch across two mountainsides, and most visual references we have only show parts of the central campus area, not the full scope of the grounds. As for Yuta’s position during the feat, while we know he’s inside a building, the exact location of that building within the campus grounds isn’t confirmed. It could reasonably be one of several buildings or towers scattered across the area, including those near the outskirts.

The interpretation of the quake’s area of effect covering the entire school grounds is based on visual cues, including shots showing the tremor affecting multiple buildings and structures, with at least one pillar visibly on the outskirts of the mountainside behind the main hall. That’s the basis for scaling it to the wider grounds rather than just the central campus. As for the meteor method, it isn't just limited to actual meteors but feats of similar nature such as this, which was accepted.

An alternative approach would be to apply the earthquake power chart methodology for ground shaking feats, which would land this somewhere between city block to multi-city block level depending on intensity. which other calcs have gotten to that level.

 

[PowerToScale]

The Mechamaru calc features three different end results, each based on a different interpretation of his energy output:

1. Ultra Cannon Output: This uses the energy from Mechamaru’s Ultra Cannon attack, the same move fired from his mecha, and converts it into a per-second rate, then scales it over the stated years of stored energy. It’s the most controversial result, as a charged beam isn’t necessarily reflective of his consistent, passive cursed energy output.
   
   
2. Physical Attack Energy: This calculation uses the energy demonstrated by Mechamaru’s physical strikes, which are a much clearer indicator of his regular, moment-to-moment output rather than a charged special attack. This makes it a better proxy for his baseline energy expenditure.
   
   
3. Gravitational Potential Energy (GPE): This uses the gravitational potential energy of Mechamaru’s mecha body itself, the energy it possesses simply due to its size and position within a gravitational field. This method is useful for assessing the potential and passive energy state of large constructs like the robot, independent of attacks. This the same method outlined by the wiki to use for passive energy of large beings.

In my opinion, the most reliable options are the Physical Attack Energy and GPE approaches. Both more directly represent Mechamaru’s sustained, passive, or typical energy output and align better with narrative evidence showing his massive energy pool having no visible effects to it.

 

[Arkenis]

Just so there is no confusion, I helped out Arkenis with this and I think it fines that I can comment especially some of the calcs are mine. Now thats it done.

Sorry, should've clarified but yeah he did basically write this so should be fine he can comment.

The interpretation of the quake’s area of effect covering the entire school grounds is based on visual cues, including shots showing the tremor affecting multiple buildings and structures, with at least one pillar visibly on the outskirts of the mountainside behind the main hall. That’s the basis for scaling it to the wider grounds rather than just the central campus. As for the meteor method, it isn't just limited to actual meteors but feats of similar nature such as this, which was accepted.

I think you could adjust the calc. We know from the fanbooks that it covers two mountainsides at mount Ushiro in Tokyo. Ushiro apparently is made up though, so instead you could use Meiji no Mori Takao Quasi-National Park, or it's greater size including the whole park.

on the outskirts of the mountainside behind the main hall.

This isn't linking properly.

 

[Dalesean027]

Mechamaru Mech Output: Mechamaru Ultimate mecha is able to use years worth of energy producing Levels about 1.2x times just shy of Mountain Level itself (depending on the end). This calc has been updated to add other ends to it from its originality

the calc and your assertions have some things that are fundamentally flawed and are mathematically done incorrectly to reach the values you are getting and it just makes this entire thing moot but unfortunately I don't have time yet to give all of my issues with it since I'm leaving for work so later today when I'm off I'll give my issues with the whole mechamaru bit as a CGM

 

[KingTempest]

Is there some baseline number that's needed for a tier to be acceptable for scaling? I'm sure I can go look through the hundreds of verses, even some of the popular ones, where their highest tier is supported by one or two calcs.

I'm confused. Why is the fact that other characters don't have calcs on the level of another calc now mean its an outlier? When has any verse ever needed multiple characters to have similar calcs to make it viable?

We have standards for what qualifies something as an outlier.

Guidelines​

Here are some guidelines for how to recognise outliers. Fulfilling all 5 of the requirements at once should not be necessary in order to qualify, and our members should try to use their common sense regarding what seems reasonable in each specific case, depending on to how extreme degree the respective categories have been fulfilled in combination.

1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? If a character with several city destruction feats is shown to be able to destroy a mountain, we cannot necessarily consider it as an outlier, for the reason that the jump between tiers is not extreme enough to be so, despite the jump between energy values we attribute to them. If the character has very few feats, we can likely ignore this point.

This is a huge jump in power. By over 4 orders of magnitude. This is crazy.

2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? If incidents of a similar level are repeated consistently over time, they are unlikely to be outliers. Usually, from the third incident onwards. If the character has very few feats, we can also likely skip this point.

Yes, this is a unique and exceptional incident.

3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? If an extreme incident is not accompanied by any kind of explanation that justifies it, it is probably an outlier. But if it can be explained by means of some power-up, vulnerability, or limiter, it is likely not. If Superman is wounded by a bullet, it's probably an outlier. But if Superman was under the influence of red sunlight or was previously weakened with Kryptonite, it is not.

It is not explained or justified. There is no reason as to why he was able to do this feat like an amp. This is his regular power.

4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Here we must take into account a number of factors, such as comparable characters possessing feats or statements of a similar level to the hypothetical outlier, the outlier not being supported by fights that might suggest a similar level, or subsequent events or statements that contradict it in some way.

Yes, because no characters comparable to him possess feats or statements of a similar level

5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? Many times an outlier breaks with what has been previously established or shown in a work, creating inconsistencies that are difficult to resolve unless we invalidate one of the two events. If, for example, a character claims not to be able to dodge bullets, even though he was previously seen dodging them explicitly, we are faced with a contradiction where we will probably have to resort to using the more reliable evidence.

Yes it does. But we can scrap this because JJK naturally goes against that on the wiki time and time again since the grading system for JJK and their established values are just overall not important.

We can use our common sense to say somebody with over a ten thousand times difference with no supports and no narrative reason to be this powerful shouldn't scale here.

And honestly I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but this is crazy.
Toge is a Grade 2 sorcerer. Grade 2 Curses < Grade 2 Sorcerers ≤ Grade 1 Curses
So those with relative feats need to be these Grades.
Curses: Grade 1, Semi-Grade 1, Grade 2, Semi-Grade 2, Grade 3, Grade 4
Sorcerers: Grade 2, Semi-Grade 2, Grade 3, Grade 4
These are the feats done by people comparable to or weaker than Toge.

The highest calculation done by anybody relative to or weaker than Toge is 9-A. 0.02 tons. This feat scales Toge to 900,000 tons.
Toge's feat is 45,000,000x higher than anyone relative to him. 45 million.

Bringing up other verses is how people get embarrassed in threads cause either they have great logic supporting it or they deserve to be downgraded.

Naoya's KE with somewhat above sos, isn't gonna demonstrate H7C or 7B destruction. This is the same argument as before, another character doesn't show similar destruction so the calcs invalid, why?

Nobody said the calc is invalid. The calc is very valid. Using it says otherwise.

You're using the same argument again. One calc doesn't show similar values to another so we invalidate anything higher. Why?
And this one is about Gojo powering these specific nations that have a specific amount of BTU they use. It does not now limit Gojo in what he can actually output, it is simply a means of demonstrating Gojo's capacity to power the nation at its regular requirements.

Did you just say that somebody decently weaker than Gojo getting hurt by 7-B is evidence for Gojo scaling to 7-A+?

We have the multiplier statement, it's just in the form of timeframe. Basic math questions in school do this, "A is finding apples. For every day, he finds 4. How many would he have by the 10th day?"
What we need is support for its immense multiplier.
Inumaki's H7C being right at L7B supports the upscale of Special Grade sorcerers being 7B.
Jogo's meteor at 79 megatons, only being able to harm Sukuna supports that those at 15f level supports 7B as well.

Inumaki's H7C supports L7B for special grades.
L7B for special grades doesn't support H7C Inumaki tiers.
Inumaki needs support. You cannot try to say something is consistent because characters stronger have feats in the same ballpark.

Inumaki at that time was a grade 2 sorcerer. At the very least, grade 1 curses and under or grade 2 sorcerers and under should show feats in the same ballpark.
The highest feat from anybody relative or weaker than Chapter 0 Inumaki is 9-A.

The highest feat from anybody relative or weaker than Mechamaru's feat is 8-B.

One is a one off feat and one is a non supported multiplier.
Jogo's ultimate attack having a relative calculation value does not support Mechamaru at all. Jogo would dust Mechamaru.

Mechmaru not creating 7-B craters with every punch doesn't invalidate the actual potency. If Luffy punches a wall and comes out to 80kj of energy, does that now mean it invalidates every other feat or calc? Obviously not, but why is this logic being applied here now? This is our standard of AP, we don't invalidate higher scaling due to other feats not being similar.

I'll advise you to not bring up other verses because you critically fail to understand other verses' scalings to a fault, and you think it aids your case.
Luffy has crushed stone in his earliest showings just to show off and has cratered grounds with individual attacks, has caused earthquakes with punches, have punched apart compressed dense clouds the size of mountains, and have beat people who have punched islands in half.
Luffy is seen by these in a range from city to mountain up to island and such.
If he comes with a country level feat, that breaks the established scaling.

If Luffy is established as someone who struggles with city level characters and he comes with a multi continental feat, I don't need to use my common sense to say "huh, this is odd".

The verse's mid tiers have a plethora of feats in a value range so we don't have to worry about consistency in that regard.
If Luffy has feats on a tier, Zoro Sanji and whoever else is in his ballpark have varying feats around them that prove consistency. They don't get justification from characters stronger. Pre timeskip Luffy doesn't get justification for post timeskip villains who are much stronger.

Inumaki was a Grade 2 sorcerer. Grade 2 sorcerers are noted to be capable of defeating Grade 1 curses who might be too much for tanks.

Mechamaru being multiplied to 7-B requires to have support for him being 7-B. And you can't use Toge because Toge's feat needs to be proven to be consistent, which it hasn't.

 

[SunDaGamer]

I'm in complete agreement with @KingTempest

Mechamaru's calc is currently doing the inverse of where we have to divide an over time feat by its timeframe to get a usable value for a character's AP because we know a single attack from them can't scale to the complete destruction of whatever they were destroying. Now this isn't an issue because we actually have a tangible destruction feat being performed in the end. What you're doing is assuming each second of his CE is equal to his Ultra Cannon blast which isn't how that works and results in a super highballed result that isn't actually supported by any feats or scaling in the entire series.

Here's what his one year charge does:


Here's what his two year charge does:


Here's what his five year charge does:


None of these feats are anything above Tier 8 and trying to drag in another unaffiliated verse to make a flimsy argument just disappoints me. Dudes like Luffy actually have scaling and feats that place him at Tier 7 and above whereas you've essentially created a thought experiment that is blatantly contradicted by the source material for a character whose Tier 7 feats/scaling are non-existent. Count me as rejecting this.

 

[Arkenis]

It is not explained or justified. There is no reason as to why he was able to do this feat like an amp. This is his regular power.

The amp is the abundance of ce he's absorbed now used with a stronger mech. Far as we know, this mech is the only way he can use this large amount of ce. We would put this as an amp to his ap on page so no, this isn't regular power.

Yes, this is a unique and exceptional incident.

Yes, because no characters comparable to him possess feats or statements of a similar level

And honestly I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but this is crazy.
Toge is a Grade 2 sorcerer. Grade 2 Curses < Grade 2 Sorcerers ≤ Grade 1 Curses
So those with relative feats need to be these Grades.
Curses: Grade 1, Semi-Grade 1, Grade 2, Semi-Grade 2, Grade 3, Grade 4
Sorcerers: Grade 2, Semi-Grade 2, Grade 3, Grade 4
These are the feats done by people comparable to or weaker than Toge.

Inumaki's H7C supports L7B for special grades.
L7B for special grades doesn't support H7C Inumaki tiers.
Inumaki needs support. You cannot try to say something is consistent because characters stronger have feats in the same ballpark.

Inumaki at that time was a grade 2 sorcerer. At the very least, grade 1 curses and under or grade 2 sorcerers and under should show feats in the same ballpark.
The highest feat from anybody relative or weaker than Chapter 0 Inumaki is 9-A.

The highest feat from anybody relative or weaker than Mechamaru's feat is 8-B.

One is a one off feat and one is a non supported multiplier.
Jogo's ultimate attack having a relative calculation value does not support Mechamaru at all. Jogo would dust Mechamaru.

All this goes back to what I said about other calcs' values for other verses not being replicated for several characters feats. You're setting a standard that majority of verses don't follow yet are accepted on this wiki.

For My Hero Academia there is only 1 accepted H6A calc. Yet characters who haven't shown anything close to H6A are scaling to it. The verse's other calcs don't even get near 1 petaton, so this is a massive example for what I'm arguing.
For Black Clover there is four accepted H6A calcs. Yet majority of the verse's eos keys scale while the calcs are only for four characters; Conrad, Lucius, Asta, Legendary Dragon.
For Naruto there is one L5B calc and its done by Hagoromo. Yet we have several people who haven't shown destruction anywhere close to it scale.
For Chainsaw Man there is one calc for 7A and it isn't done by the strongest yet we scale the strongest like Darkness or Falling to it.

For clarification, my point isn't to call the calcs or the scaling into question. I'm wondering why this need for other characters to show similar feats or higher feats to make one higher feat valid for scaling is happening here but was ignored for others. It's clear we don't do this as a standard and would defeat how we scale as most characters in a series don't go causing tier 7 or 6 destruction.

Jogo would beat a regular Mechmaru, there is nothing showing he'd dust absolute mode though.

Nobody said the calc is invalid. The calc is very valid. Using it says otherwise.

Yeah I'm talking about it being invalid for scaling.

I'll advise you to not bring up other verses because you critically fail to understand other verses' scalings to a fault, and you think it aids your case.
Luffy has crushed stone in his earliest showings just to show off and has cratered grounds with individual attacks, has caused earthquakes with punches, have punched apart compressed dense clouds the size of mountains, and have beat people who have punched islands in half.
Luffy is seen by these in a range from city to mountain up to island and such.
If he comes with a country level feat, that breaks the established scaling.

If Luffy is established as someone who struggles with city level characters and he comes with a multi continental feat, I don't need to use my common sense to say "huh, this is odd".

The verse's mid tiers have a plethora of feats in a value range so we don't have to worry about consistency in that regard.
If Luffy has feats on a tier, Zoro Sanji and whoever else is in his ballpark have varying feats around them that prove consistency. They don't get justification from characters stronger. Pre timeskip Luffy doesn't get justification for post timeskip villains who are much stronger.

Inumaki was a Grade 2 sorcerer. Grade 2 sorcerers are noted to be capable of defeating Grade 1 curses who might be too much for tanks.

Mechamaru being multiplied to 7-B requires to have support for him being 7-B. And you can't use Toge because Toge's feat needs to be proven to be consistent, which it hasn't.

My point isn't about established scaling. It's about you invalidating a feat because several other feats are lower. Yeah, many verses have feats that break the established prior scaling, and those are accepted and used for majority of the verse's god tiers or high tiers. I'm not saying Mechmaru's feat supports Inumaki's I'm saying Inumaki's supports Mechmaru's. Jogo's also supports Mechmaru's calc. We got two 7-B calcs and one H7C, its literally how other verses are with their high or god tiers all scaling to one or two calcs. Sure there's some verses where they've got five big feats from different characters but we all know this is not the norm.

And I can see the other verses pages. I can read how the supporters are scaling. There are verses where nearly 10 high tiers scale to one or two calcs while these characters haven't shown anything remotely close to it.

 

[KingTempest]

The amp is the abundance of ce he's absorbed now used with a stronger mech. Far as we know, this mech is the only way he can use this large amount of ce. We would put this as an amp to his ap on page so no, this isn't regular power.

This is regarding Toge

All this goes back to what I said about other calcs' values for other verses not being replicated for several characters feats. You're setting a standard that majority of verses don't follow yet are accepted on this wiki.

For My Hero Academia there is only 1 accepted H6A calc. Yet characters who haven't shown anything close to H6A are scaling to it. The verse's other calcs don't even get near 1 petaton, so this is a massive example for what I'm arguing.
For Black Clover there is four accepted H6A calcs. Yet majority of the verse's eos keys scale while the calcs are only for four characters; Conrad, Lucius, Asta, Legendary Dragon.
For Naruto there is one L5B calc and its done by Hagoromo. Yet we have several people who haven't shown destruction anywhere close to it scale.
For Chainsaw Man there is one calc for 7A and it isn't done by the strongest yet we scale the strongest like Darkness or Falling to it.

• My Hero Academia's feat is a risky feat due to the outlierish nature of it but because there is narrative importance to this feat (it being the literal final feat of the series meant to showcase the full power of the embers of OFA and to change the weather signifying the end of a battle that the whole world noticed) it passes the test.
  • This still has an outlierish nature so if you want to go downgrade it then go try.
• Black Clover has 3 feats done by people who are scaled relative to each other.. Consistent feats in a bracket of characters, people scale to them.
  • 5.17 Petaton support, 17.5 Petaton support, 17.93 Petaton support. Literally in the same arc by the same lineup of people.
  • It's a few dozen times smaller than the stronger 594 Petaton feat done by someone else.
    • That same person has 2 feats.
      • 1 feat is nuking a kingdon, 601.76 Petatons.
      • 1 feat is dropping a meteor, 594.1 Petatons.
      • Literally right next to each other.
• Naruto's feat is the foundation of narrative. It is the root of the moon in their verse. It is the foundation of the plot in the series, a creature being sealed into the creation of the moon. And alongside that it has 5-C support by other top tiers (Toneri cuts a moon in half. Toneri pushes a moon. Naruto and Sasuke use the same technique and get 5-C+. The moon's creation in general), with values not too much lower, so people can scale to it.
  • 88.74 Exaton support by a God tier.
    • 199.25 Exaton support by the same exact God tier.
  • 403.41 Exaton support by 2 characters.
    • 432.04 Exaton by 2 characters doing the exact same thing technique.
      • 845.9 Exaton is the result of the initial technique at a far higher usage.
• Chainsaw Man has a 7-A feat done by a character who scales to having 7-B feats done.
  • The Gun Goddess has a 166.47 MT feat. She is comparable to the Gun Devil, who has a 15.94 MT support. 10x isn't too crazy, unlike your 45 million time difference.

If you have a problem, downgrade them. Whataboutisms will not save you.
Every single verse here has narrative helping or different reasons as to why their feats work. They're all done by important people.
Your feats are done by randoms with no support at all.

For clarification, my point isn't to call the calcs or the scaling into question. I'm wondering why this need for other characters to show similar feats or higher feats to make one higher feat valid for scaling is happening here but was ignored for others. It's clear we don't do this as a standard and would defeat how we scale as most characters in a series don't go causing tier 7 or 6 destruction.

Jogo would beat a regular Mechmaru, there is nothing showing he'd dust absolute mode though.

Jogo is the strongest disaster curse and he scales above a baby Mahito who whooped him.

Yeah I'm talking about it being invalid for scaling.


My point isn't about established scaling. It's about you invalidating a feat because several other feats are lower. Yeah, many verses have feats that break the established prior scaling, and those are accepted and used for majority of the verse's god tiers or high tiers. I'm not saying Mechmaru's feat supports Inumaki's I'm saying Inumaki's supports Mechmaru's. Jogo's also supports Mechmaru's calc. We got two 7-B calcs and one H7C, its literally how other verses are with their high or god tiers all scaling to one or two calcs. Sure there's some verses where they've got five big feats from different characters but we all know this is not the norm.

If Captain America in Marvel has a 5-B feat, is it consistent because Hulk and Sentry do?
The amount of feats don't matter. The amount of feats in a certain tier matter.
Inumaki has no support for his feat from people comparable so he does not matter.
Mechamaru has no support for his feat from people comparable to his feat so it does not matter. Jogo does not support Mechamaru.

And I can see the other verses pages. I can read how the supporters are scaling. There are verses where nearly 10 high tiers scale to one or two calcs while these characters haven't shown anything remotely close to it.

That's the root of a thing called "powerscaling".
Not everybody need a feat to scale to a feat.
But the root feat needs consistency. Something this verse lacks to dramatic extents.

 

[KingTempest]

Inumaki's feat doesn't even work. There is no proof that the edges of the school felt a Magnitude 4.5 earthquake. Idky it's even being used

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Tier 5 stuff for Naruto is probably the worst example that could've been brought up since that's probably one of, if not the most supported tier for the verse both narratively and calc wise.

Anyway, as for the thread itself, I'll go through it in a bit.

 

[Dalesean027]

My Hero Academia's feat is a risky feat due to the outlierish nature of it but because there is narrative importance to this feat (it being the literal final feat of the series meant to showcase the full power of the embers of OFA and to change the weather signifying the end of a battle that the whole world noticed) it passes the test.

• This still has an outlierish nature so if you want to go downgrade it then go try

I wouldn't even fully say its outlierish either at least for Deku as he is the strongest character at this point and literally in a weakened state while heavily injured and with the embers of one for all and verbatim stated power thats barely above what all might could muster performs the High 6-A feat.

The series already establishes there are goons who downscale weakened embers All Might, even Star and Stripe has 6-B shit yet says she can never even with her quirk ever make herself to be as strong as All Might was, couple that with goons performing relative to 45% deku and you get High 6-A scaling chain with multiple tier 6 support feats ranging up to 6-B

All that aside thought MHA benefits from its High 6-A feat being the actual full power climactic feat of its final arc and the one moment where deku actually genuinely is not holding back in the final battle after growing stronger. Which Arkenis is very different from this JJK case

 

[CloverDragon03]

I agree with KingTempest, and I need people to stop whining about other verses when their shit gets rejected. Different circumstances entirely

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Okay, so, as far as the Mechamaru and Inumaki feats are concerned, I'm in complete agreement with KT and SunDaGamer.
These feats lack the necessary narrative and visual support, and are simply not consistent at all. I won't harp on that point, however, since KT and Sun have already argued this stance extensively.

In regards to the BH feat, I'm still waiting for confirmation that it's good to go mathematically, logically, and is fully accepted by other CGMs before I say anything. I don't wanna argue one way or another, only for one of you calc nerds to then come and say "um, ACHSHUALLY it's rejected because XYZ "

As for the downgrades in the OP, they make sense.

Finally, in regards to Gojo's Earthquake calc, I vehemently disagree with the idea that it's an outlier for Gojo and Sukuna.
Like, as far as Gojo and Sukuna's feats themselves are concerned, stuff like Divine Flame and Hollow Purple falling short of the earthquake's value just doesn't matter whatsoever. Divine Flame is limited to a range of 200 meters due to the technique's mechanics. So it's potency scaling higher, even though it's sheer DC is limited by a binding vow is NOT an issue.
Hollow Purple is similar in the sense that Gojo is fully capable of, and more importantly willing to, limit the destructiveness of the technique to avoid collateral damage. With techniques like Red, Blue, and Purple, he almost always has specific targets in mind, and is never really aiming for wanton destruction.
So, in my personal view, a clearly pissed off Gojo performing a feat that's higher than his normal yield when he's his usual calm and collected, jovial self makes sense.

And as for it being an outlier because people below them have failed to produce feats on that level, this is even less relevant in my opinion. These two are the undisputed, unequivocal GOD TIERS of this verse, and it's really not close whatsoever. These are the guys who can canonically blitz and one-shot literally any of the verse's top tiers. These are the guys, who even when severely weakened and diminished, still need to subconsciously nerf themselves in order to not get bored to death from fighting the strongest people jujutsu society has to offer. These two are, in the simplest of terms, built different and Gege has hammered that idea home about as well as any author conceivably could.
So frankly, the verse's top tiers could be capped at 9-C for all I care, I still wouldn't view a 7-A rating as an outlier for these two. That's how I view that particular issue.

However, it seems like the 7-A calc's validity is being put into question as we speak, so I guess this whole spiel might be moot in any case. Regardless, I've made my feelings on the matter known from an in-verse scaling perspective, regardless of where the calc lands value wise.

 

[CloverDragon03]

We also just don't calculate durability from withstanding a black hole anymore. We just give a resistance to Black Hole Creation

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

We also just don't calculate durability from withstanding a black hole anymore. We just give a resistance to Black Hole Creation

In that case, I reject the use of that durability calc then. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Da3ggman]

We also just don't calculate durability from withstanding a black hole anymore. We just give a resistance to Black Hole Creation

Where was that decided? Not doubting you or anything, but I’ve seen some stuff by Aagna that uses this same method and is currently accepted.

 

[Arkenis]

If you have a problem, downgrade them. Whataboutisms will not save you.
Every single verse here has narrative helping or different reasons as to why their feats work. They're all done by important people.
Your feats are done by randoms with no support at all.

It'd be whataboutism if I brought up another verse's speed scaling which is unrelated. I'm bringing up how we scale ap for the wiki.

And there is narrative backing Mechmaru. The context is Mechmaru trying to escape Kenjaku and Mahito, the main villains of the series atp, so that he can get important information out to Satoru Gojo, so he can stop their plan which would later lead to the biggest arc of the series. He does this by using a new mech called absolute mode which can utilize his years of cursed energy he's accumulated.

For Inumaki the context is him fighting a special grade sorcerer who's waged war on the sorcerers. And being an important character isn't a factor for any scaling. Do we seriously ignore high feats if side characters do them?

Jogo is the strongest disaster curse and he scales above a baby Mahito who whooped him.

If Captain America in Marvel has a 5-B feat, is it consistent because Hulk and Sentry do?
The amount of feats don't matter. The amount of feats in a certain tier matter.
Inumaki has no support for his feat from people comparable so he does not matter.
Mechamaru has no support for his feat from people comparable to his feat so it does not matter. Jogo does not support Mechamaru.

Not my argument. I'm arguing Inumaki supports Mechamaru. We have two feats in the same tier. Both are rated on the level of special grade (Jogo and Mechmaru). Mahito won through domain not power. During the fight Mechmaru is able to destroy his arm and punch him away also. Whether Jogo can beat him doesn't mean they aren't comparable in output.

Tier 5 stuff for Naruto is probably the worst example that could've been brought up since that's probably one of, if not the most supported tier for the verse both narratively and calc wise.

Anyway, as for the thread itself, I'll go through it in a bit.

I wouldn't even fully say its outlierish either at least for Deku as he is the strongest character at this point and literally in a weakened state while heavily injured and with the embers of one for all and verbatim stated power thats barely above what all might could muster performs the High 6-A feat.

The series already establishes there are goons who downscale weakened embers All Might, even Star and Stripe has 6-B shit yet says she can never even with her quirk ever make herself to be as strong as All Might was, couple that with goons performing relative to 45% deku and you get High 6-A scaling chain with multiple tier 6 support feats ranging up to 6-B

All that aside thought MHA benefits from its High 6-A feat being the actual full power climactic feat of its final arc and the one moment where deku actually genuinely is not holding back in the final battle after growing stronger. Which Arkenis is very different from this JJK case

I agree with KingTempest, and I need people to stop whining about other verses when their shit gets rejected. Different circumstances entirely

I've made this point in the past but I'll copy paste it here

What even is solid foundation? What more calcs? What happens if we call into question the first 7-A calc or the lower calcs? This creates an unrealistic standard for basically any big feat since prior to it, you have nothing to say the characters should be that high. Every big feat would need to be substantiated through statements and we can then still argue about the statements validity. This way of thinking ends up with a circle of us saying this big feat is justified through these lower calcs which are also solidified through other calcs which many verses as of now don't have a reason for their verse scaling to the calcs besides the calc itself. Maybe some verses have concrete statements for why their verse can be 7-B or 7-A but that isn't the majority.

You guys arguing that's it

I wouldn't even fully say its outlierish either at least for Deku as he is the strongest character at this point and literally in a weakened state while heavily injured and with the embers of one for all and verbatim stated power thats barely above what all might could muster performs the High 6-A feat.

It's a feat that isn't remotely comparable to anything else in the series. The same argument being used right now is that no one comparable to Inumaki or Mechmaru have feats on the level. Yet we have 10 characters scaling to it. You contextualizing it does nothing because it still remains an absurd feat compared to the consistency of the rest of the manga. I do not care though, I think it's alright to scale like this because the feat can't just be ignored, it's put there for a reason, it's meant to demonstrate how powerful AFO is.

The series already establishes there are goons who downscale weakened embers All Might, even Star and Stripe has 6-B shit yet says she can never even with her quirk ever make herself to be as strong as All Might was, couple that with goons performing relative to 45% deku and you get High 6-A scaling chain with multiple tier 6 support feats ranging up to 6-B
All that aside thought MHA benefits from its High 6-A feat being the actual full power climactic feat of its final arc and the one moment where deku actually genuinely is not holding back in the final battle after growing stronger. Which Arkenis is very different from this JJK case

You're missing my point. I responded to you before in the 7-A Gojo & Sukuna crt about this approach.

What even is solid foundation? What more calcs? What happens if we call into question the first 7-A calc or the lower calcs? This creates an unrealistic standard for basically any big feat since prior to it, you have nothing to say the characters should be that high. Every big feat would need to be substantiated through statements and we can then still argue about the statements validity. This way of thinking ends up with a circle of us saying this big feat is justified through these lower calcs which are also solidified through other calcs which many verses as of now don't have a reason for their verse scaling to the calcs besides the calc itself. Maybe some verses have concrete statements for why their verse can be 7-B or 7-A but that isn't the majority.

Essentially your argument just leads to us not having anything to support the prior calc which supports the higher calc because nothing can support the first calc but itself or at most, statements. As an example, What supports MHA's 6-B calcs? H6C calcs. What supports those? 7-A calcs. What supports that? 7B calcs and so on until we get to tier 9 calcs. This is an example btw, I don't care if there's some country statement or mountain statement for MHA characters. The point is this breaks down until we have nothing to support the first calc which leads to nothing being concrete.

I agree with KingTempest, and I need people to stop whining about other verses when their shit gets rejected. Different circumstances entirely

Again it's about how the wiki scales. If I don't bring up other verses, then my point wouldn't be clear on why I disagree with how the wiki is tackling this verse's scaling.