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Hello everyone
The reason I opened this topic was because I was disappointed https://vsbattles.com/threads/king-of-chaos-4-a-upgrade.164529/ here.
MAGIC:
Merlin states that one's magic defines how strong their magical powers are, but we can also observe that you cannot do something beyond your magical power. This is evident when Merlin says he cannot even teleport them, as he is using almost all his energy to maintain his soul within the Sacred Treasure. So, it is fair to say that creation is not beyond destruction, or vice versa; both are comparable.
UES DARKNESS:
Limited Energy System
Demons can use similar amounts of power in their attacks, as well as choose how much power to use. Like when Meliodas destroyed Danafor uncontrollably and did the same with Edinburgh, but in a controlled way. We also have the Demon King, who would have killed Mael and some Sins with his explosion and could split Zeldris in half with his lightning
Non-Physical System Energy
As shown above, the attack potency of non-physical attacks scales among themselves, with the character being able to choose how much potency to put in. An increase in a demon's darkness increases the potency of their magical attacks. For example, when Meliodas had his power sealed, he only made a small crater using all his power. However, with his power restored, he could make a 9km deep crater. Before, Monspiet couldn't surpass Sariel's barrier with his flames, but making a pact with the darkness, he easily surpassed the barrier.
Universal System Energy
When a demon has an increase in their darkness/magic, we see that their physical stats also increase, like when Estarossa absorbs some commandments and destroys Sariel's barrier, something he couldn't do before. The same happens with the Demon King; before, he was overpowered by base Meliodas, but upon gaining more darkness, he easily surpassed base meliodas. Upon gaining even more darkness, he easily surpassed Meliodas's amplified mark. The opposite also happens; when Derieri and Monspiet have their darkness removed, they faint.
CATH STATMENT:
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Cath clearly puts the gods above the stars, so to be clear, he puts the gods at the top of the chain of life, even above the stars
since what Cath is talking about here is "to perish or to destroy", we can see that he is implying that the gods are harder to destroy than the stars. This is completely consistent and parallel with the UES because the man has his own solar system, my god...
I will state my main ideas below as in the title.
MY OPINION ABOUT CATH STATMENT:
My opinion is exactly like this
As here, cath says that one day "everyone/everything" will die/perish.
At the same time, he also states that he will destroy “everything” and everything that has form will perish.
The "everything" here must sound familiar, yes, the "everything" context he means here is not the universe as you think, but the stars as he himself mentioned.
Yes, all the statments of cath should be usable since they are not inconsistent with the verse's UES and scaling, and even support and go parallel.
(Edit: This is just a step, I put it because it is parallel to UES. I did not put it to get a tier. Please do not misunderstand and distort the subject.)
DEMON WORLD TIMEFRAME:
Ban, plants the seed of the sacred tree. Grows very fast.
“It’s just like 20 years ago”. Sacred tree back to normal size. In a short time like 20 years
As you can see. Sacred tree when it was created and after created its own race.
As in here, it does not contradict the "before long/soon" statment even supports it, so I think this calculation can be used (20 years ball)
SCALING:
With the success of the Demon King, the final combo reaches 4A's and Arthur's feat through creation allows us to get Ap. Chaos is here to keep the host alive so there is no reason for it to hold back
Characters that can be scaled to Arthur:
Meliodas;
Q361:What is Hawk Mama's Power Level, roughly? Impossible to measure.
Q362:What is Meliodas' current Power Level? Probably strong enough to get near Hawk Mama's.
took no damage from chaos attack while in base form, easily superior to lancelot, who can withstand Chaos attacks without damage. (base should be scaled, higher with dm2)
Lancelot; Chaos retreated in fear after, Tanked an attack from chaos without damage.
7ds members; Ironside perceives them as a threat and states that Arthur will be injured in this situation and chaos is running away
SPEED:
We have a blog for speed. Scaled on this accepted calculation.
Thank you for your interest.
Agree: @MeliodasDeUzyy, @Dracul2585, @Lgamer099_99, @Sasukesama0492, @FinePoint , @ActuallySpaceMan42 (for UES) @DarkDragonMedeus ( for UES)
Disagree: @karo_senpaii
Neutral: @Saqphire
The reason I opened this topic was because I was disappointed https://vsbattles.com/threads/king-of-chaos-4-a-upgrade.164529/ here.
MAGIC:
Merlin states that one's magic defines how strong their magical powers are, but we can also observe that you cannot do something beyond your magical power. This is evident when Merlin says he cannot even teleport them, as he is using almost all his energy to maintain his soul within the Sacred Treasure. So, it is fair to say that creation is not beyond destruction, or vice versa; both are comparable.
UES DARKNESS:
Limited Energy System
Demons can use similar amounts of power in their attacks, as well as choose how much power to use. Like when Meliodas destroyed Danafor uncontrollably and did the same with Edinburgh, but in a controlled way. We also have the Demon King, who would have killed Mael and some Sins with his explosion and could split Zeldris in half with his lightning
Non-Physical System Energy
As shown above, the attack potency of non-physical attacks scales among themselves, with the character being able to choose how much potency to put in. An increase in a demon's darkness increases the potency of their magical attacks. For example, when Meliodas had his power sealed, he only made a small crater using all his power. However, with his power restored, he could make a 9km deep crater. Before, Monspiet couldn't surpass Sariel's barrier with his flames, but making a pact with the darkness, he easily surpassed the barrier.
Universal System Energy
When a demon has an increase in their darkness/magic, we see that their physical stats also increase, like when Estarossa absorbs some commandments and destroys Sariel's barrier, something he couldn't do before. The same happens with the Demon King; before, he was overpowered by base Meliodas, but upon gaining more darkness, he easily surpassed base meliodas. Upon gaining even more darkness, he easily surpassed Meliodas's amplified mark. The opposite also happens; when Derieri and Monspiet have their darkness removed, they faint.
CATH STATMENT:
Scan
Cath clearly puts the gods above the stars, so to be clear, he puts the gods at the top of the chain of life, even above the stars
since what Cath is talking about here is "to perish or to destroy", we can see that he is implying that the gods are harder to destroy than the stars. This is completely consistent and parallel with the UES because the man has his own solar system, my god...
I will state my main ideas below as in the title.
MY OPINION ABOUT CATH STATMENT:
My opinion is exactly like this
As here, cath says that one day "everyone/everything" will die/perish.
At the same time, he also states that he will destroy “everything” and everything that has form will perish.
The "everything" here must sound familiar, yes, the "everything" context he means here is not the universe as you think, but the stars as he himself mentioned.
Yes, all the statments of cath should be usable since they are not inconsistent with the verse's UES and scaling, and even support and go parallel.
(Edit: This is just a step, I put it because it is parallel to UES. I did not put it to get a tier. Please do not misunderstand and distort the subject.)
DEMON WORLD TIMEFRAME:
Ban, plants the seed of the sacred tree. Grows very fast.
“It’s just like 20 years ago”. Sacred tree back to normal size. In a short time like 20 years
As you can see. Sacred tree when it was created and after created its own race.
As in here, it does not contradict the "before long/soon" statment even supports it, so I think this calculation can be used (20 years ball)
SCALING:
With the success of the Demon King, the final combo reaches 4A's and Arthur's feat through creation allows us to get Ap. Chaos is here to keep the host alive so there is no reason for it to hold back
Characters that can be scaled to Arthur:
Meliodas;
Q361:What is Hawk Mama's Power Level, roughly? Impossible to measure.
Q362:What is Meliodas' current Power Level? Probably strong enough to get near Hawk Mama's.
took no damage from chaos attack while in base form, easily superior to lancelot, who can withstand Chaos attacks without damage. (base should be scaled, higher with dm2)
Lancelot; Chaos retreated in fear after, Tanked an attack from chaos without damage.
7ds members; Ironside perceives them as a threat and states that Arthur will be injured in this situation and chaos is running away
SPEED:
We have a blog for speed. Scaled on this accepted calculation.
Thank you for your interest.
Agree: @MeliodasDeUzyy, @Dracul2585, @Lgamer099_99, @Sasukesama0492, @FinePoint , @ActuallySpaceMan42 (for UES) @DarkDragonMedeus ( for UES)
Disagree: @karo_senpaii
Neutral: @Saqphire
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