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Super Saiyan Blue: Universe Tree Power Goku vs Mori With the Final Yeoui

MichaelCalistro

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There has been a countless Goku vs Mori battle thread done in VS Battles Wiki Forum, but you want to know the irony about them all? There has never been a battle thread done between this two where their stats are equalized, and the funny thing is, I am going to see the result through my very own eyes by putting up the voting poll options. So wither you all like it or not, let us cook up some hot debate here!

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Goku, the Japanese Monkey King

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Mori, the Korean Monkey King

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Big Bang Mission Goku being used • The True God of Prophecy Mori being used • Standard battle assumptions • Stats are equalized • In a very large indestructible barren planet • Starting distance is 1 nautical mile

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Brother what? 😭
First of all, a stats equalized match can only be in the "Fun and games" category otherwise you can only equalize speed.
Second of all, you linked their general fandom profiles not vsbw profiles.
Thirdly, thread name says UTP Goku while thread itself says Manga Goku so which is it?
 
DavidTPPM said:
Brother what? 😭
First of all, a stats equalized match can only be in the "Fun and games" category otherwise you can only equalize speed.
Second of all, you linked their general fandom profiles not vsbw profiles.
Thirdly, thread name says UTP Goku while thread itself says Manga Goku so which is it?
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LegendariumOfLies said:
Nice and all, but which key and why are the links to other wikis and not their profiles?
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MY APOLOGIES!!!
 
DavidTPPM said:
Brother what? 😭
First of all, a stats equalized match can only be in the "Fun and games" category otherwise you can only equalize speed.
Second of all, you linked their general fandom profiles not vsbw profiles.
Thirdly, thread name says UTP Goku while thread itself says Manga Goku so which is it?
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LegendariumOfLies said:
Nice and all, but which key and why are the links to other wikis and not their profiles?
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Final step, how do I move this to the fun and games section???
 
Mori has Nonduality Type 2...

That HAS to be restricted for this to be fair at all.

But then when that happens SDBH Goku has all the insane Time Power hax.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Mori has Nonduality Type 2...

That HAS to be restricted for this to be fair at all.

But then when that happens SDBH Goku has all the insane Time Power hax.
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So who is more of a Gary Stu between these two in a stats equalized battle?
 
Something something concept manip gg.

If that doesn't work then idk, I'm not reading the 76 pages worth of information on Gokus profile for a F&G match up 😵‍💫
 
DavidTPPM said:
Yes

No, it's a character that has an unrealistic lack of weakness and flaws, usually as a result of bad writing.

Mary Sue - Wikipedia

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Simply being powerful doesn't make one a Mary/Gary Sue
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Arkansalter2 said:
Mary Sue is used for FC/OC lmfao.
Where he got that argument from is beyond me.
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Fine, so which one of these two are more broken/hack in a stats equalized battle? Are you happy now?
 
Taking Nonduality (Type 2) ofc out of this.

Mori does have ALL Concept Types.

But Goku has Passive Nonexistence Erasure.


They both have Fate Manip, Info Manip (Type 2) and Reality Warping.
　Though Goku via the Universe tree has them at 7 Layers.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Taking Nonduality (Type 2) ofc out of this.

Mori does have ALL Concept Types.

But Goku has Passive Nonexistence Erasure.


They both have Fate Manip, Info Manip (Type 2) and Reality Warping.
　Though Goku via the Universe tree has them at 7 Layers.
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So from what I am getting here is, Mori is folding the entire verse like a lawn chair all because of a single ability? Because there must be a reason why you are excluding that.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Haxlord is folding other haxlords like a lawn chair all because of a single ability?
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Yes that's exactly how all of these match ups usually go.
Also it's more like nobody wants to read through their 19 episode long novel series worth of abilities
 
Yeah, FYI. Nonduality (At least when it becomes Type 2, or especially 3) is Easily THE (Second) most OP ability in the entire Site. Besides Omnipotence of course

And its even More OP when its Transduality (Nonduality, but you have Qualitative Superiority/Transcendence over it)


And in order to combat or even overcome anyone with Nonduality (Type 2). You either have to have some sort of Qualitative Superiority/pure Transcendence over them (which is at least 1-A…). Or have Nonduality (Type 2) yourself.

No ifs, ands or buts otherwise


In case you want an explanation as to how Nonduality (Type 2 and 3) works. They are completely independent and not affected by ANY and ALL dualistic/(inter)dependent systems/process.
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This goes from Space and Time, Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, Science and Religion, Forward and Reverse, Fate and History… You Name it.

All of that is absolutely meaningless and worthless to someone with (Non/Trans)duality (Type 2/3)
 
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Apotheosis69 said:
Yeah, FYI. Nonduality (At least when it becomes Type 2, or especially 3) is Easily THE (Second) most OP ability in the entire Site. Besides Omnipotence of course

And its even More OP when its Transduality (Nonduality, but you have Qualitative Superiority/Transcendence over it)


And in order to combat or even overcome anyone with Nonduality (Type 2). You either have to have some sort of Qualitative Superiority/pure Transcendence over them (which is at least 1-A…). Or have Nonduality (Type 2) yourself.

No ifs, ands or buts otherwise




This goes from Space and Time, Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, Science and Religion, Forward and Reverse, Fate and History… You Name it.

All of that is absolutely meaningless and worthless to someone with (Non/Trans)duality (Type 2/3)
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Yet despite all that, Mori still couldn't beat Dracula from Castlevania in a fight all because he doesn't have any single answer to plot manipulation?
 
Johner2133451 said:
I do want to mention that nonduality got nerfed so it doesn't auto give you immunity
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That's for Nonduality Type 1…, cus well Type 1 is specific and many many things can be unbound by it. But when its Type 2 or 3… its literally everything. Even says on the page itself…

2. General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding "all dual systems" within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.


MichaelCalistro said:
Yet despite all that, Mori still couldn't beat Dracula from Castlevania in a fight all because he doesn't have any single answer to plot manipulation?
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Umm, Thread link? Cus thats not on either of their profiles
 
Apotheosis69 said:
That's for Nonduality Type 1…, cus well Type 1 is specific and many many things can be unbound by it. But when its Type 2 or 3… its literally everything. Even says on the page itself…

2. General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding "all dual systems" within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.



Umm, Thread link? Cus thats not on either of their profiles
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vsbattles.com

Julius vs Mori • (0-1-2)

This is a very original thread, I think. - - - - - Julius, the Vampire Hunter VS Mori, the Monkey King - - - - - Peak Julius • Peak Mori • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible castle - - - - - Theme:
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

This fight was done on April 10, 2025 and Mori's opponent had to be switched to Julius from Dracula due to stomp for the same reason this fight was a stomp on Apr 1, 2023:

vsbattles.com

Battle for the 7th Strongest Non-Smurf Low 2-C: Dracula VS Mori Dan

Based on this thread. "Creature of Chaos" Dracula VS "The True God of Prophecy" Mori Dan Starting Distance: 10m Both in-character Equalized speed Dracula | TTGoP Mori Dan Dracula: Mori Dan: Inconclusive:
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

Dark Lord abilities (4-D - Baseline in Dracula's Curse; higher with each resurrection, up to 720+ Layers by 1999)
Dark Lord resistances (4-D - Baseline in Dracula's Curse; higher with each resurrection, up to 720+ Layers by 1999)
 
I just want to say that nonduality is useless nowadays, like acausality type 4, if the verse itself didn't specific on what kind of ability nonduality give, then it is just a decorative power, only nonduality type 3 matter cause type 3 characters existing in five truth states and more, make them hard to interact with
 
Apotheosis69 said:
That's for Nonduality Type 1…, cus well Type 1 is specific and many many things can be unbound by it. But when its Type 2 or 3… its literally everything. Even says on the page itself…

2. General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding "all dual systems" within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.



Umm, Thread link? Cus thats not on either of their profiles
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No it was confirmed by staffs that nonduality type 2 is useless by default

vsbattles.com

Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

What is his immo and Regen feats? All immortalities, for his type 9 he has his main body in his Imaginary space, which is infinite compared to the cosmology. I'm not sure what range you need for it, I think its 2-B but I might be wrong. And high godly regen based on type 2 information. And...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Apotheosis69 said:
That's for Nonduality Type 1…, cus well Type 1 is specific and many many things can be unbound by it. But when its Type 2 or 3… its literally everything. Even says on the page itself…
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It applies for Type 2 as well. Or rather, there is nothing in the Nonduality page that says the nerf only applies for Type 1 (and from what I remember there was nothing in the Nonduality downgrade thread that said it would only apply for Type 1 either). So this line from the page would be assumed to be referring to nonduality types in general:
Frequently, this power can render users immune to effects intermediated through the dualities in question, but the fiction has to specify that this is what a character's nonduality does in order for us to assume immunity.
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
It applies for Type 2 as well. Or rather, there is nothing in the Nonduality page that says the nerf only applies for Type 1 (and from what I remember there was nothing in the Nonduality downgrade thread that said it would only apply for Type 1 either). So this line from the page would be assumed to be referring to nonduality types in general:
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Well damn, that just completely bursted my bubble entirely.
 
I want to make this fight fair and square for both of these characters since DB has more resources, so I decided to limit Goku's information to manga version of DBH and DB related content only and also limit Mori's information to manhwa version of TGOHS and TGOHS related content only, not that the fight changes very much.
 
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Manga version of DBH?, DBH characters composited of both Arcade, Manga and Promotional Anime and DBH itself is composited of all DB materials, you can't literally use "exclusive material" you want since it break the character itself
 
Vietthai96 said:
Manga version of DBH?, DBH characters composited of both Arcade, Manga and Promotional Anime and DBH itself is composited of all DB materials, you can't literally use "exclusive material" you want since it break the character itself
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Shar122 said:
Manga version of DBH is not a thing here... It's composited into a singular thing
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Isn't composite profiles no longer allowed in this website? I thought that was a thing in the past?
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Isn't composite profiles no longer allowed in this website? I thought that was a thing in the past?
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This is a differnt concept
They are the same canon. You can't composite say dbh, GT, dbs manga, dbs anime. Can't composite things from different canon cause they are the same charcter
 
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