Eden_Warlock99
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It does when it loses its shield I think, 0 DEF.
You know what that means
You know what that means
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DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread
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9-A without shield. The Titan will not only be the dumbest, but the weakest 4-A on the wiki.
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NGL I do not think Stats in DR are meant to be canon like in UT, because they seem to be pretty random at times like Jojo's stand stats.
Eden_Warlock99
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Doesn't seem like it? These aren't the actual in-game stats and like UT are just random numbers Toby put to express the power progression Ig
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Them being different does not mean they still are wrong.
The UT stats are used because they don't have contradictions, the DR stats instead are pretty random and taking them at face value kinda makes some issues, unless you wanna say that the Titan is on the same durability as the Dummy from Ch 1 lmao.
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4-A Dummy here we go!
Eden_Warlock99
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Legit the same thing happens in UT though, with Photoshop Flowey
Think it's more likely that they both run with Game Logic, as in DEF can cancel attacks if its high enough (Mettaton) but when it comes to surviving attacks HP is what matters (Photoshop Flowey). At least for UT, DR doesn't currently have any indication for HP being a thing for now
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I do think that PF and Undyne are just minor inconsistencies compared to whatever tf is going on DR ngl.
Eden_Warlock99
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PF and the Titan are about as significant for the story (PF probably more so), think if we can disregard one as just a minor inconsistency, we can do the same for the other.
Does feel like a better option than just ignoring Toby's own powerscaling of the Darkners.
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I mean for Jojo we do ignore the Stand Stats that are given in their official profiles because they just don't make sense in the actual story unless we count hyper specific ones like GER, MiH or BIG, I think we can do the same here.
I mean, are the Darkners' own stats even coherent with the story tbh?
Eden_Warlock99
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The only one that's slightly weird is the Pippins but even in CH2 they got hyped up with us being lucky we didn't fight em, even then their stats are below the stronger CH2 characters, who are weaker than Jevil and King anyway. Everything else follows the rule that fodder that can fight and hurt a stronger DR cast would obviously be stronger.
Real Weird™, think it's the only verse that has "Power Levels" and doesn't use them.
Thing must have like dozens of contradictions to unusable, or Ig semi-unusable?
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Is having a plastic dummy at 4-A a big enough contradiction im begging you man
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Let’s say I had a light bulb with enough power that it could light up, say, a 1 meter radius. Then, I slowly gave it more power over the course of 5 seconds, making it have a radius of 2 meters. Of course, light speed isn’t 0.2 m/s (I think), meaning that the expansion speed doesn’t always correlate with the speed of light.
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plastic dummy solos you favorite verse now
Eden_Warlock99
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Pretty much, some get even contradicted right at their introduction. At best they're supportive arguments, but on their own they're unusable as otherwise it'd make the scaling horrendously inconsistent and even contradicts some feats.
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Unfortunately for you, not yet. Deltarune hasn't surpassed Madness Combat just yet.
If in the future i get to throw the Tier 1s of Madness Combat at Deltarune, i will be happy.
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I do not think it's a good argument as that can be just a range issue, and light would always reach from point A to B at light-speed still. Light expands within a bulb at light-speed after all, nothing really says Kris was just expanding said light at arbitrairly low speeds, otherwise we'd have to murk almost all of feats involving light attacks with this logic lol.
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This is just about the soul glowing brighter, right? Increasing its glow radius? Because this is about the 4th calc in this Reddit post and I think that’s what it’s about
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the thing is that the "increasing the glowing" happens only when the source is already active and becomes more intense, there's no reason to assume that when it starts to glow from a state where it doesn't.
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The 4th calc involves the SOUL emitting some rays things which Jack's friend is relative too in speed if you check the frames, it has nothing to do with this expansion thing, btw.
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Oh shoot I didn’t notice that since the post’s pictures got crunched (hard to see what lines they measured for the speed comparison)
Okay I’m 1% more okay with FTL Deltarune now
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TBF. I'm pretty sure the Dummy isn't even making any attacks, it's just Ralsei making attacks. I'm not sure why the Dummy even has a profile here
Axorandom0
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Hey wait would Jack be the only one to scale to that big speed value as of now since Kris is notably MUCH slower than his top speed—the one I presume was being used there—and everyone else would scale at around Kris’s level
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We've got already some feats tbh:
- The Thrash Machine's Laser being dodgeable from Kris
- The Zapper thing
- The Jackenstein things
- Susie and Kris rotating around the glowing SOUL
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TBF we can calculate both's speeds relative to the light like here.
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The rotating is something I 100% don’t buy but everything else is fine and supports each other
Gooldiddy
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also include the Titan's laser when it first spawns and how the Thrash Machine generates a "light-quick aura" when firing up Laser mode to which Giga Queen can still keep up with
Axorandom0
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That blog has a blink at almost 10% the speed of light. Ngl I don’t think “idle” things like that should count, and I’d count the spinning in this scene as an “idle”-like thing.
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I'd reccomend you to make a thread on this because it's still a tandem movement and it has no real reason to be rejected besides "I don't buy it because it's too weird", it happened after all.
Is it even stated to be light-speed or sum? It seemed to be just a typical energy beam.
I do not think this equates to SoL Thrash as Queen does not physically reach to said aura, but it's supportive to the SoL Thrash lasers ngl.
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I think stuff like the Zapper feat and 4-C DR scaling to fodders is fine. especially compared to other series on this site. like Amphibia having everyone's speed be scaled to a gag blink-and-you'll-miss-is sunlight feat that's way higher than everything else. and Mario having a Goomba scale to MFTL+ in speed
but that's just how I see it if this series doesn't like it that's probably fine
but that's just how I see it if this series doesn't like it that's probably fine
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From where does 4-C come from? I heard 4-A but 4-C?
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Buddy.
Gooldiddy
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it's called a laser in the game files. and in general adds consistency to the idea the DR cast can dodge lasers
it's treated as a speed boost, and the aura generated is coming from the Thrash Machine so it should probably still work
Gooldiddy
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*4-A sorry I'm not too familiar with the tier shorthand, got em mixed up lmao
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FULL MHS+ VULKIN IS BACK BABE!!!!!
Eh "light-speed aura" kinda vague and reffers more to the expansion of the aura than the physical movement of the thing tbh.
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I noticed the stars myself but I was admittedly iffy on if they count because of the nature of the dark worlds, but the argument that they can't be faker than fake or more imaginary makes sense. If we're already treating Dark World stuff as scalable I don't see why we can't just go with 4-A size.
And I think a couple of the light feats should be fine.
And I think a couple of the light feats should be fine.
Eden_Warlock99
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It is a speed amp, so think it can be read the other way too.
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