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[OjeTheArcher15]

A black hole doesn’t need pre-existing angular momentum to form an accretion disk.

Okay
But said black hole doesn't have an accretion disk

Or, y’know, the buildup to a black hole.

It wouldn't be black then

 

[PowerToScale]

Black holes don't need and do exist without accretion disk. Accretion disks come from the continuous consumption of matter forming the disk around them, whereas isolated blacks with nothing around them to continuously consume do not have them. Given than Yuki's black hole consumed only a small amount for a brief moment and was halted from consuming more it makes sense for it to not have one.

So it having one or not is a mute point in terms of it being a balck hole or not

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

This is irrelevant unfortunately

Nah Yuki is best girl
It makes sense narratively

A singularity isn't needed for a black hole?
Since when?

First time knowing this? A black hole having a singularity isn't strictly physically correct (since we don't even freaking know what the heck happens inside it after all)

Yuki lower torso is the core of the black hole which already got eaten up by the singularity

Ah yes

Nah actually the scaling goes like this

Black hole singularity
> Kenjaku domain hit > Kenjaku CTR> Yuki AP> Yuki dura> kenjaku dura> 80 cm away from black hole

This is so ass bro

Her lower torso is what got destroyed by the singularity

Nuh uh, I see her upper torso being all black so you're wrong

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

First time knowing this? A black hole having a singularity isn't strictly physically correct (since we don't even freaking know what the heck happens inside it after all)

Yeah quickly prove that
Theoretically a black hole would have a gravitational singularity

Ah yes

This is so ass bro

You didn't give reasons why it's ass

Nuh uh, I see her upper torso being all black so you're wrong

Didn't she wear a black shirt bro?
Of course it would look black
Her arms are still there so no her entire torso wasn't removed

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Didn't she wear a black shirt bro?
Of course it would look black
Her arms are still there so no her entire torso wasn't removed

Shirt so black it made her face went black too...

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Shirt so black it made her face went black too...

Relevance of this?
Was her arm still holding kenjaku or not?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

One random off screen earthquake feat that's tens or hundreds of thousands of times stronger than his normal and 200% output purple or sukuna's divine flame

Both of those ***** are restricted attacks
Furnace AOE is literally contained within the domain via a seal

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

The only thing you got right is that Gojo is a fraud

Peak

, but you're ignoring the fact that even a "fraud" like Yuta managed to stay alive for some time after getting hit by the same move—and even talked to Shoko during surgery.

Proof that Yuta is top 2

Yuki never said she needed to completely use her body to create the black hole. The fact that she was still talking while it was forming likely means that it was her lower body that got separated from her—which we can literally see falling behind her at that moment.

It was also stated that only her body and Garuda are affected by her increased mass. That makes sense, because even while creating a black hole, her upper body wasn’t affected and was still trying to pull in Kenjaku. She even had enough time to speak.

The black hole that completely sucked in Kenjaku—something that would have cooked him if not for Anti-Gravity, self-DE buffs, Yuki's willpower, and Tengen’s barrier > Kenjaku’s Domain sure-hit > Yuki’s durability > initial stage of the black hole (which was smaller in size).

This is what I see in the scaling chain.

This is fair and I admit that never got into my mind, however Yuki was closer to the black hole than Kenjaku and she's still really fine, despite again, being Yu/ki at the moment.

The scaling chain from what I saw would be like this (ignore the final black hole):

Initial black hole at a distance > Kenjaku physicals = Yuki physicals with low star rage output > Yu >initial black hole at a closer distance > initial black hole at a distance > ...

You’re treating both the early and later black hole feats as if they’re the same, which doesn’t make sense. The black hole at startup was small, while the one Kenjaku actually survived was much larger and required everything—Anti-Gravity, Tengen’s help, and more—to stop it.

I'm not mentioning about the later black hole feat though?

Also, Yuki never said she could kill him with the low end version of the black hole. If she could have controlled or canceled it right after forming it, she would’ve done so—so the fact that it kept growing implies she stayed alive for a while afterward. That may have been thanks to the support of Tengen’s barriers.

Wym? She doesn't need to say it for us to know that Kenjaku would be cooked, he got hit by 1 of Yuki's normal star rage punch and got his arm wrecked and sent flying away.

Quick rant also: Yuki could've ended Kenjaku if she decided to turn Garuda into a black hole and dipped, sucks that she didn't.

And to be clear, Kenjaku only bypassed her natural durability with the mini Uzumaki in its compressed form. He has zero feats for physically damaging her otherwise.

They should be relative physically. While there are no feats of him damaging her physically (obviously why would he try to attack her physically when he has better choice), their performance were even physically (I'd argur that Kenjaku was even more durable than Yuki is, given that his mini-uzumaki could one shot her, while her mass punch normally wouldn't gravely injure him). Yuki can't dominate in a fight against Kenjaku (even with Choso's help) with her star rage output being low meaning that they can't be that far off in physical strength, and we also know that in JJK physical stats scales quite evenly, you don't usually have a large gap between physical AP, Dura and speed, there ain't even a physical speedster (the type that's super fast but has ass dura) in JJK. In fact even after having healed all of her previous injuries (or at least most of it), with her star rage output being low and she can't achieve a good starting speed, she was shown to struggle even damaging Kenjaku and even lost to him moments after Choso was removed from the battle.

I also forgot that, despite also having Kenjaku wearing a weight so heavy, she could barely keep up with him even with Choso's support (and of course, comes with my rant about how Yuki didn't go black hole mode here smh smh Yuki is kinda dumb, also what is "slowed star rage down" bro I thought she could just add it up to infinity, stuff doesn't make any sense at all)

Relevance of this?
Was her arm still holding kenjaku or not?

And what's the relevance of the arm?

Both of those ***** are restricted attacks
Furnace AOE is literally contained within the domain via a seal

From the amount of heat we could easily say that the best Sukuna's domain could get is 2 Megatons. And the earthquake calc is kinda stupid also, it assumed that an off-screen feat is fully Gojo's AP, we don't even know what the heck happened there.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Peak

Proof that Yuta is top 2

You don't need to prove an axiom
Yuta = top 2
It's inherent to his nature

And what's the relevance of the arm?

Because the arm is attached to the torso hence the torso still there?

From the amount of heat we could easily say that the best Sukuna's domain could get is 2 Megatons. And the earthquake calc is kinda stupid also, it assumed that an off-screen feat is fully Gojo's AP, we don't even know what the heck happened there.

Have you calculated it?

Why won't it be fully Gojo's Ap?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Please don't try and tell me the prison realm has one secret ability not stated for 100 chapters just because you want to invalidate a feat

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

You don't need to prove an axiom
Yuta = top 2
It's inherent to his nature

Saying the truth here are we?

Because the arm is attached to the torso hence the torso still there?

I'm just trolling on that, I've acknowledged that Yuki could use her lower torso for that already, yeah...

Have you calculated it?

Yes actually (and no, I won't touch that thing again). Taking all the factors into account, I could confidently say that Sukuna's domain can't be wanked past city level with all the context given, and that level of destruction is consistent with Gojo's Hollow Purple.

Why won't it be fully Gojo's Ap?

Offscreened. Earthquake can have many causes, we don't know if it's the prison realm that's causing the earthquake through unknown causes, or some kind of stuff happened under there coincidentally, or Gojo accidentally destroyed the wrong part causing major movement to happen...

There are many and many stuff that could've happened, in fact we don't even know WHAT Gojo did under there for that to even happen to begin with, or if that whole thing was from only his power alone since again, there is a lag between the seal being broken and the earthquake happening, in this case Gojo destroying the wrong part causing major movement is plausible, more plausible than him causing all that by himself considering there are 2380139 other curse spirits and seals down there that could've had unknown effects.

And as an offscreen feat, you can't scale it percisely to anything Gojo has, as all you do is creating a headcanon.

Please don't try and tell me the prison realm has one secret ability not stated for 100 chapters just because you want to invalidate a feat

I mean Sukuna still haven't used THAT one ability since the Shibuya arc

 

[Tago238]

Initial black hole at a distance > Kenjaku physicals = Yuki physicals with low star rage output > Yu >initial black hole at a closer distance > initial black hole at a distance > ...

I don’t see the issue since initial black hole at distance > Kenjaku isn’t super true anyway. Kenjaku being pulled but managing to resist the black hole doesn’t seem to be in strict contradiction with Yuki only really saying a few words before there’s much of an event horizon and once there’s something significant only managing to exist for like a second as far as we can know.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I don’t see the issue since initial black hole at distance > Kenjaku isn’t super true anyway. Kenjaku being pulled but managing to resist the black hole doesn’t seem to be in strict contradiction with Yuki only really saying a few words before there’s much of an event horizon

He managing to resist doesn't help much, it'll instead be like this:

Initial black hole at a distance = Kenjaku physicals = Yuki physicals with low star rage output > Yu > initial black hole at a closer distance > initial black hole at a distance = Kenjaku physicals = ...

Yuki on the ground with 1 hand, 1 HAND, with that alone she could grab Kenjaku and NOT being pulled inside it, even managing to yap all while having half her body. Kenjaku on the other hand having trouble even resisting the force itself, so yeah it is quite contradicting considering physically they performed quite the same (Kenjaku even shown to be better than Yuki tbh)

And it's not like Yuki is adding more force to Kenjaku either, she only grabbed one of his leg, meanwhile his upper body seems to still having trouble keeping up with the pulling force

and once there’s something significant only managing to exist for like a second as far as we can know.

What does this mean? What managing to exist for like a second? The black hole? I don't get what you're trying to say by this one.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Yes actually (and no, I won't touch that thing again). Taking all the factors into account, I could confidently say that Sukuna's domain can't be wanked past city level with all the context given, and that level of destruction is consistent with Gojo's Hollow Purple.

Gojo hollow purple is restricted as well and doesn't function as an explosion

Sukuna domain is a restricted ability that doesn't leave it's domain radius

Using any of these feats to form consistency is a fool's errand

Offscreened. Earthquake can have many causes, we don't know if it's the prison realm that's causing the earthquake through unknown causes, or some kind of stuff happened under there coincidentally, or Gojo accidentally destroyed the wrong part causing major movement to happen...

Prison Realm can't cause that because the back would have released an explosion as well
Plus Yuji straight up alluded to gojo unsealing causing it

There are many and many stuff that could've happened, in fact we don't even know WHAT Gojo did under there for that to even happen to begin with, or if that whole thing was from only his power alone since again, there is a lag between the seal being broken and the earthquake happening, in this case Gojo destroying the wrong part causing major movement is plausible, more plausible than him causing all that by himself considering there are 2380139 other curse spirits and seals down there that could've had unknown effects.

Yeah that's why it isn't the seal breaking that caused the earthquake

In addition to the prison realm seals there's a numerous number of seals to prevent gojo leaving and specifically one cursed spirit instead of the number you just pulled for the purpose of monitoring gojo

I don't even get this type of argument we've seen what happens when Cursed spirits die, they don't create earthquakes or even explode

Neither do seals like that of sukuna or the back end of the prison realm

Those two are out of the equation

There's no wrong part of a Subduction zone

And as an offscreen feat, you can't scale it percisely to anything Gojo has, as all you do is creating a headcanon.

It can be calced which is what we just did
And it does scale to the AP
If there was anything special about the Prison realm that spontaneously creates earthquakes kenjaku would have mentioned it

 

[MrTayman616]

How did it even come to Prison Realm? What are you guys even arguing at this point :d

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

How did it even come to Prison Realm? What are you guys even arguing at this point :d

Yeah it's a derial so I'll drop it

Can you mention your issues with the black hole calc let me address them

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Gojo hollow purple is restricted as well and doesn't function as an explosion

Sukuna domain is a restricted ability that doesn't leave it's domain radius

Using any of these feats to form consistency is a fool's errand

A fool's errand, except that can be calced easily. I won't even need to use Hollow Purple, Sukuna's domain already has enough information to calc how much energy it actually packs

Prison Realm can't cause that because the back would have released an explosion as well
Plus Yuji straight up alluded to gojo unsealing causing it

Gojo unsealing causing it doesn't mean Gojo caused it

Yeah that's why it isn't the seal breaking that caused the earthquake

In addition to the prison realm seals there's a numerous number of seals to prevent gojo leaving and specifically one cursed spirit instead of the number you just pulled for the purpose of monitoring gojo

I'm just saying that we don't know anything at all regarding what happened down there, so I mentioned a bunch of stuff that could've happened, that's all.

There's no wrong part of a Subduction zone

Yes and they're called The Locked Segments or Seismogenic Zone (bonkers I know), and touching the wrong part (which HP could easily do) means stuff happens.

It can be calced which is what we just did
And it does scale to the AP
If there was anything special about the Prison realm that spontaneously creates earthquakes kenjaku would have mentioned it

Scales to the AP of what specifically? Don't tell me it's his physicals or something...

Yeah it's a derial so I'll drop it

Can you mention your issues with the black hole calc let me address them

I'll just mention 1 thing: The diameter here is too long, taking into account that the spikes are later shown to be outside of the actual sphere, you would need to take the more spherical part of the dark area instead of using the spikes

 

[MrTayman616]

Yeah it's a derial so I'll drop it

Can you mention your issues with the black hole calc let me address them

Inconsistency, Yuki being fine and talking there(which means at that point, it wasn't above her resistance limit), The area's state (we do see gravitational effect for the area later, but not much at that moment).

Or Yuki not punching at those level normally as it is below her resistance there. (If it were to be a black hole at the start)

And anything i said before (don't remember them).

In the end, Yuki was just adding mass until she became a black hole. I don't think it can be scaled at all. (I mean it can, but not at this level :d)

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

A fool's errand, except that can be calced easily. I won't even need to use Hollow Purple, Sukuna's domain already has enough information to calc how much energy it actually packs

How do you want to calc it
Buildings it didn't vaporise or what?

Gojo unsealing causing it doesn't mean Gojo caused it

Yeah it does
They literally stated it can't be a coincidence, you don't need an explicit statement to make an interpretation

I'm just saying that we don't know anything at all regarding what happened down there, so I mentioned a bunch of stuff that could've happened, that's all.

Yeah and all those stuff are things we've seen and we know how they behave

Seals don't explode
Neither do curse spirits
So they're less plausible than Gojo causing it, Occam's razor handles that

Yes and they're called The Locked Segments or Seismogenic Zone (bonkers I know), and touching the wrong part (which HP could easily do) means stuff happens.

Do you know if you put a 50 Megaton nuke within the Subduction zone of the Mariana trench it wouldn't be enough to cause an earthquake?


You can skip to 4:12

Scales to the AP of what specifically? Don't tell me it's his physicals or something...

Yeah his physicals

I'll just mention 1 thing: The diameter here is too long, taking into account that the spikes are later shown to be outside of the actual sphere, you would need to take the more spherical part of the dark area instead of using the spikes

Okay we can correct that then instead of the artistic licence argument

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Yeah his physicals

And that's where this fails, yep. I don't think there is a possible way to even argue for this. If it's scaling to his stronger attacks like Red or something I would kinda get it, but his physicals? The same physicals that consistently don't even blow buildings away? Yeah....

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Inconsistency, Yuki being fine and talking there(which means at that point, it wasn't above her resistance limit), The area's state (we do see gravitational effect for the area later, but not much at that moment).

It was because it started dragging things and spaghettifying people which we know doesn't happen when using her mass alteration within the limit

Or Yuki not punching at those level normally as it is below her resistance there. (If it were to be a black hole at the start)

Why do you think Yuki doesn't punch at those levels?

And anything i said before (don't remember them).

If you remember let me know

In the end, Yuki was just adding mass until she became a black hole. I don't think it can be scaled at all. (I mean it can, but not at this level :d)

It can be scaled
The calc is mathematically correct that's why we attempted to scale it at all, the only arguments is narrative arguments now

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

And that's where this fails, yep. I don't think there is a possible way to even argue for this. If it's scaling to his stronger attacks like Red or something I would kinda get it, but his physicals? The same physicals that consistently don't even blow buildings away? Yeah....

Are you arguing he isn't even building level without his technique?

Because I can point numerous Characters that don't regularly do this thing

Also AP≠ DC

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I'm going to watch France vs Spain so my replies might be irregular

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Are you arguing he isn't even building level without his technique?

No, I'm arguing he ain't city buster with his physicals, that's what I'm talking about here.

Because I can point numerous Characters that don't regularly do this thing AP≠ DC

Doesn't matter if you're taking an offscreen feat to argue, Gojo has never shown building buster capability with his physicals, at all. The best you could do is upscale him from 15% Sukuna who punched Yuji through some buildings.

 

[MrTayman616]

It was because it started dragging things and spaghettifying people which we know doesn't happen when using her mass alteration within the limit

Within the limit, which we know she was as she still wasn't affected there.

Why do you think Yuki doesn't punch at those levels?

...Why do i think she doesn't punch at "Above Earth's mass" level punches?

It can be scaled
The calc is mathematically correct that's why we attempted to scale it at all, the only arguments is narrative arguments now

Not what i meant. I'm not saying the calc is wrong after all :d

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

No, I'm arguing he ain't city buster with his physicals, that's what I'm talking about here.

Why?
And your reason is that his attacks don't consistently destroy buildings?
When this can be applied to basically any verse?
And also the fact AP≠ DC on this site?

Doesn't matter if you're taking an offscreen feat to argue, Gojo has never shown building buster capability with his physicals, at all. The best you could do is upscale him from 15% Sukuna who punched Yuji through some buildings.

Naoya driving through multiple buildings but is less durable than Hanami
Gojo can harm Hanami
Yeah building busting capability right there

There's also multiple cityblock feats he scales above

Your incredulity isn't an argument

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Within the limit, which we know she was as she still wasn't affected there.

Uh....
she was tho
She was creating Gravity wells with her body and the sheer mass was spaghettifying kenjaku

She was also getting stretched as well

...Why do i think she doesn't punch at "Above Earth's mass" level punches?

No why do you think she punches at that level?
The calc doesn't imply such conclusion

Not what i meant. I'm not saying the calc is wrong after all :d

Sorry I'm a jjk fan

 

[MrTayman616]

Uh....
she was tho
She was creating Gravity wells with her body and the sheer mass was spaghettifying kenjaku

She was also getting stretched as well

Not in this page.

No why do you think she punches at that level?
The calc doesn't imply such conclusion

It does. If she can add mass at that level without getting affected, it works the same for her punches etc

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Why?
And your reason is that his attacks don't consistently destroy buildings?
When this can be applied to basically any verse?
And also the fact AP≠ DC on this site?

Naoya driving through multiple buildings but is less durable than Hanami
Gojo can harm Hanami
Yeah building busting capability right there

There's also multiple cityblock feats he scales above

Your incredulity isn't an argument

It is an argument, but I don't really care about it that much anyways, not until it is wanked to mountain that I would, obviously.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Not in this page.

But that's not the page we calculated the feat from though?
This is where we calculated the feat from btw and we see her stretching in the small panel that holds this statement (you wield gravity so you should have seen this coming right)

It does. If she can add mass at that level without getting affected, it works the same for her punches etc

But she's literally getting stretched at that level, meaning she's getting affected hence she can't do it at that level without it affecting her

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

It is an argument, but I don't really care about it that much anyways, not until it is wanked to mountain that I would, obviously.

No wonder we never saw your complains for the incorrect town level calcs
You didn't care because it still kept them in your perceived range

Unfortunately that one was incorrect and was recalced to give the mountain level feat

And like I said it's not an argument you saying it is without countering my rebuttal doesn't make it valid

 

[MrTayman616]

But that's not the page we calculated the feat from though?
This is where we calculated the feat from btw and we see her stretching in the small panel that holds this statement (you wield gravity so you should have seen this coming right)

No. That page is where the calc of black hole radius happened. Not the event. As the calc also says

We see that the Kenjaku's whole body is shifted forwards after being caught off guard by the Black Hole's gravity and stops it's pull, pulling himself back. I will be estimating he was pulled forwards 10cm.

It calculates based on the movement i sent in the first page.

But she's literally getting stretched at that level, meaning she's getting affected hence she can't do it at that level without it affecting her

She didn't get affected until the last moment, where the black hole forms.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

You've already shown you're not arguing fairly but arguing in bad faith

You literally won't bat an eye for an incorrect calculation but see a problem with one that is correct

Do you see the problem with this method of arguing?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

No wonder we never saw your complains for the incorrect town level calcs
You didn't care because it still kept them in your perceived range

Unfortunately that one was incorrect and was recalced to give the mountain level feat

Welp time to nuke it with every fibers of my being (nah, I won't waste any more time on this shi tbh, character development is happening rn)

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

No. That page is where the calc of black hole radius happened. Not the event. As the calc also says

The event is also in that page because that's where we see his legs being pulled forward

It calculates based on the movement i sent in the first page.

There wasn't any movement in the first page only spaghettification

It's the second page that shows movement which doesn't show Yuki at all
The third page shows her stretching

She didn't get affected until the last moment, where the black hole forms.

I don't understand this?
She's literally getting stretched
Are you telling me with a straight face that being gravitationally stretched doesn't affect her?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Welp time to nuke it with every fibers of my being (nah, I won't waste any more time on this shi tbh, character development is happening rn)

You watching the match as well?

 

[MrTayman616]

There wasn't any movement in the first page only spaghettification

Uh, no. the effect of gravity isn't spaghettification. (in the first page, there isn't one, at least i aint seeing it).

It happens at last.

Are you telling me with a straight face that being gravitationally stretched doesn't affect her?

Not until the last moment.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Uh, no. the effect of gravity isn't spaghettification. (in the first page, there isn't one, at least i aint seeing it).

Isn't spaghettification literally stretching via gravity?
I outlined it here, what about now

Not until the last moment.

Check the link above
Yuki already showed signs of stretching in the very first scan

 

[MrTayman616]

Isn't spaghettification literally stretching via gravity?
I outlined it here, what about now

Kenjaku's case isn't "stretching via spaghettification" there.

It's just him being instantly pulled by gravity. It's the "drawing effect" of it.

For Yuki, isn't it just shadows and blood at first. I mean other locations like her nose and face seems normal.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Kenjaku's case isn't "stretching via spaghettification" there.

I think it's spaghettification= stretching by gravity
So even the pull would signify spaghettification
I also heard it covers a wide range

For Yuki, isn't it just shadows and blood at first. I mean other locations like her nose and face seems normal.

Her nose also seems to have those pull lines as well and they're all pointing to the same place

I think it's more plausible that she's getting pulled as well