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8-C to 9-A + Correction + Degradation of the sleeping giant of "Del Mar"

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This calc Puss in Boots 2: Giant It is done correctly but it is incorrect because it says that Puss is 2.5 ft or 0.762 m tall but in the first movie Kitty reveals that Puss is 2 ft or 0.6096 m tall, so I did the calculation with Puss's true height and the feat is 9-A and not 8-C, that is why the giant is 9-A and that is why the feat should be downgraded.
Shrek - Giant this is my calc
Here Kitty clearly says 2 ft or 0.6096 m is how tall Puss is.
And I also came to the conclusion that Death and the Dagron all get Class M lifting strength For the reasons I give in the blog.
 
Why didn't you just bump the previous thread? Anyway, I'll quote what I said before because my opinion hasn't changed.
I mean, Kitty said "about 2 feet tall" which sounds more like a rough estimate than a precise one, and the 2.5 ft height apparently came from the director himself (also without taking things like his high heels into account). Not to mention, if the Giant is downgraded to 9-A+ the same way you wrote it in those unaccepted edits, then there's no reason why Puss who's 8-C should struggle to harm it. It should still be 8-C by virtue of scaling above Puss. At best, it'll lose its current KE.
 
It's because AceOfSpaces recommended it to me.
Besides, not only the giant must be Class M but also Death and the dragon that I mentioned in my blog
A character can be considered above another without having all of their stats be superior. Death can be above the Giant in terms of AP at best without any direct showings (especially since Puss who obviously doesn't scale to the Giant's strength can clash with him without getting completely overpowered) and even then, where is it stated that he's the strongest character in the verse?
 
A character can be considered above another without having all of their stats be superior. Death can be above the Giant in terms of AP at best without any direct showings (especially since Puss who obviously doesn't scale to the Giant's strength can clash with him without getting completely overpowered) and even then, where is it stated that he's the strongest character in the verse?
There's no need to say he's the strongest character, since he's by far the strongest and most powerful character in Shrek.
 
There's no need to say he's the strongest character, since he's by far the strongest and most powerful character in Shrek.
You can't just say that he's the strongest character and then suddenly he is. The Giant actually has more impressive on-screen feats than him.
 
All I can find upon reverse searching that image is an artbook that is apparently official? But... zero mention of him having the ability to shapeshift.
Just because there's no mention of shapeshifting doesn't mean it can't shapeshift.
 
Just because there's no mention of shapeshifting doesn't mean it can't shapeshift.
Bro, your only evidence is an artwork that doesn't actually indicate anything. Also, what's to say it isn't a result illusion creation, you know, an ability he actually has?
 
By the way, the Dragon doesn't scale to the Giant either. Shrek can momentarily restrain her by grabbing her tail.
 
Bro, your only evidence is an artwork that doesn't actually indicate anything. Also, what's to say it isn't a result illusion creation, you know, an ability he actually has?
Seriously? It's the best you have, it's an official book bro OFFICIAL, and it's not an illusion
 
How many times do I have to to tell you this? Don't apply unacceptable ratings to profiles without an approved thread. No one on this thread has agreed that Dragon and Death should be upgraded to Class M.
 
How many times do I have to to tell you this? Don't apply unacceptable ratings to profiles without an approved thread. No one on this thread has agreed that Dragon and Death should be upgraded to Class M.
Look, brother, in the movie it is implied that Death is the strongest and the most powerful, that you do not want to accept it because you do not want to is not my problem.
 
Present your evidence. I presented mine and you didn't, so don't come to me with anything.
 
thats not how this site works. you need staff approval to apply stuff.
And that's what I did and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged for them to answer me and they wouldn't do it so don't come to me with things, they ignored me now they put up with it
 
And that's what I did and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged for them to answer me and they wouldn't do it so don't come to me with things, they ignored me now they put up with it
post on staff walls, meassge staff. But applying changes over and over that arent approved is just rule breaking. It seems that this has been discussed ad nasuem before and seemingly no one else agrees. People respond with valid reasons to disagree and you just basically ignore it and act like its not valid.
 
You arent going to get anyone to help you or support your CRT's acting like this. Get some Thread mods or above to take a look and see if they agree or what needs to be changed.
 
You arent going to get anyone to help you or support your CRT's acting like this. Get some Thread mods or above to take a look and see if they agree or what needs to be changed.
You're right, my friend. I'll try to do things right. This time I'm going to ask someone from the calculation group to check my calculation of when Death moves the crystals in the Cave of Lost Souls. I corrected it with the help of someone who told me how to do it. So, check it first and then the CRT.
 
Present your evidence. I presented mine and you didn't, so don't come to me with anything.
You want my evidence? Here it is.

Dragon doesn't scale to the giant because they've obviously never fought, not to mention she hasn't done any feats that are comparable to it. She also has some antifeats that contradict a Class M rating. In Shrek, she was easily restrained by her chains. While she does break out of them later in the film, it happened off-screen, and we're given no explanation as to how she broke out or how long it took her to. In Shrek: The Third, she was easily incapacitated by a large metal net. Finally in Shrek: Forever After, she was restrained by the combined strength of Shrek and Fiona (Which is a Class 50 feat, given they are both Class 25).

Death also doesn't scale to the Giant for similar reasons. Death's best shown LS feat was pushing over a large crystal with one hand, which is impressive and all, but it's nothing compared to the Giant, who casually tore off the roof of a mansion, and swung around a large church bell as a makeshift whip with enough force to one-shot Puss. As I mentioned before, Death is closer to characters like Shrek in terms of LS, considering they've both overpowered and restrained Puss with one hand. Death also never overpowered Puss as grossly as the Giant did. Besides, if Death really had Class M LS, Puss would never have been able to push back against one of his strikes. It's impossible for someone with Class 25 LS to physically match and overpower someone with Class M LS. It would be like putting a fly against an elephant in a tug-of-war. It's a one-sided contest.

What do you mean you don't see the image?
the true form of death
Here is the link
After doing more research, I concede that this image isn't fan art and comes from an official artbook titled The Art of DreamWorks’ Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. However, after looking through the book, this image appears to be nothing more than early concept art of Death. An almost identical image of the Death we see in the movie appears in the book.

Your image

My Image

(I tried inserting the images but it only showed the Discord links)

Death has also never stated or implied that he has a true form in the movie. Unless you can find a statement in that book that straight up says that Death has a true form, then this is nothing more than headcanon. I strongly doubt such a statement exists considering it's an ART book, not a guide/lore book. Funny enough, there was a debate last year similar to this matter that discussed whether or not Death was an Abstract being.

Death, being an abstract being, was ultimately rejected as he doesn't have any statements nor has he demonstrated any abilities to warrant this site's requirements for Abstract Existence.

Look, brother, in the movie it is implied that Death is the strongest and the most powerful, that you do not want to accept it because you do not want to is not my problem.
I have stated before, Death should be stronger than the main cast, considering he ranted to himself in Spanish about how he shouldn't have ''played with his food'' after his second fight against Puss. However, we don't know how much Death was holding back in that fight. For all we know, he could've been using anywhere between 5%, 25%, 50%, or even 75% of his power. We don't know, and we probably never will.

Death's power level has ironically been discussed to death multiple times on the forum. I do agree that he could definitely replicate Puss' feat of defeating the Giant, given his agility and combat skill, but unless you have a value, Death just unquantifiably scales above 0.28 Tons of TNT.

Your comments also fall under the line of what is known as a 'No-Limits Fallacy,' which is the claim that if a character hasn't shown weaknesses or a limit to their power, it automatically means they have none. Many other characters fall into this fallacy, such as Homelander, Sans, Giorno Giovanna, Kars, Satoru Gojo, Itachi Uchiha, Yujiro Hanma, Zen'ō, Full-Potential Anakin, and Saitama (Though the latter doesn't fit the bill anymore considering his true power was revealed against Garou in the recent chapters of OPM), just because a character is depicted as not having a limit, overpowered, and/or being very difficult to beat in their respective verses doesn't mean they're automatically invincible.

And that's what I did and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged and I begged for them to answer me and they wouldn't do it so don't come to me with things, they ignored me now they put up with it
I have told you multiple times not to make unauthorized changes to a profile without an accepted CRT, as it is a violation of this site's rules and guidelines; yet, you continued to ignore me. Don't get upset with me every time you break the ToS you agreed to when creating an account on this site. If you're going to pull that ''It's the only way to bring attention to my blogs'' excuse, it's not going to work, especially since I already told you that you can directly message Calc Group members or post a Bump message (Bump is short for Bring Up My Post) on your thread every 12-24 hours to bring attention.

I don't want to sound rude, but not everyone has as much free time as you. Some of us have things we need to do throughout the day, we might have to attend school, college, or work a day job. Some of us may be in a location with limited internet access, and some of us may be facing unfortunate circumstances in our lives, like depression, anxiety, personal issues (like a breakup, divorce, or death of a loved one), or surgery. Some of us visit powerscaling sites like this as a fun hobby and don't view it as a vital part of our everyday lives.

I'm sorry for lashing out at you the other day. I was getting sick of you obsessively spamming me to look at a calc that had numerous flaws and was already rejected by two calc experts (Bambu and DMUA, respectively). I also told you that I am not a calc expert and can only provide information based on my own experiences.
 
Ya he dicho antes que Muerte debería ser más fuerte que el elenco principal, considerando que se quejó en español sobre cómo no debería haber "jugado con su comida" después de su segunda pelea contra Gato. Sin embargo, no sabemos cuánto se estaba conteniendo Muerte en esa pelea. Por lo que sabemos, podría haber estado usando entre el 5%, el 25%, el 50% o incluso el 75% de su poder. No lo sabemos, y probablemente nunca lo sabremos.

I have told you multiple times not to make unauthorized changes to a profile without an accepted CRT, as it is a violation of this site's rules and guidelines; yet, you continued to ignore me. Don't get upset with me every time you break the ToS you agreed to when creating an account on this site. If you're going to pull that ''It's the only way to bring attention to my blogs'' excuse, it's not going to work, especially since I already told you that you can directly message Calc Group members or post a Bump message (Bump is short for Bring Up My Post) on your thread every 12-24 hours to bring attention.

I don't want to sound rude, but not everyone has as much free time as you. Some of us have things we need to do throughout the day, we might have to attend school, college, or work a day job. Some of us may be in a location with limited internet access, and some of us may be facing unfortunate circumstances in our lives, like depression, anxiety, personal issues (like a breakup, divorce, or death of a loved one), or surgery. Some of us visit powerscaling sites like this as a fun hobby and don't view it as a vital part of our everyday lives.
You are right about that not everyone has a lot of time, I mean maybe they have surgery, they are going to study, to work or they had a loss, the problem is that you call me a stalker when I am not, I mean I understand that you have other things to do, but when I see your name in recent activities it means that you are active but you do not check my messages, look I know that you are not obligated to respond but you cannot call me a stalker for sending you too many messages, look I do not know what cyberbullying is like in your country, I will assume that you are from the USA but here in Mexico, cyberbullying is considered immediately, if you send death threats like "if you do not answer me I will kill you", or adult content, that is considered cyberbullying immediately
I have stated before, Death should be stronger than the main cast, considering he ranted to himself in Spanish about how he shouldn't have ''played with his food'' after his second fight against Puss. However, we don't know how much Death was holding back in that fight. For all we know, he could've been using anywhere between 5%, 25%, 50%, or even 75% of his power. We don't know, and we probably never will.
I can explain that phrase well to you, since I speak Spanish, when Death said in Spanish "Why the hell did I go play with my food?", it commonly refers to the fact that he wasn't serious, meaning that he hardly used any of his power, it's like saying "Why the hell didn't I fight seriously?", that's what he wanted to imply.
Death's power level has ironically been discussed to death multiple times on the forum. I do agree that he could definitely replicate Puss' feat of defeating the Giant, given his agility and combat skill, but unless you have a value, Death just unquantifiably scales above 0.28 Tons of TNT.
Actually, that calculation is incorrect for several reasons:
1. It has no lines.
2. It says Puss is 2.5 ft or 0.762 m tall, when in reality, Puss is 2 ft or 0.6096 m tall. I already corrected it this time with the help of a user named saldersalva, and this time I used a crystal. There Death receives a Class K Lifting Force
3. Puss and the crystal used are at different depths, making the scaling faulty.
Death has also never stated or implied that he has a true form in the movie. Unless you can find a statement in that book that straight up says that Death has a true form, then this is nothing more than headcanon. I strongly doubt such a statement exists considering it's an ART book, not a guide/lore book. Funny enough, there was a debate last year similar to this matter that discussed whether or not Death was an Abstract being.
Bro, that image is actually Death's true form, and I'll explain why Death can change shape:
Death has sometimes stated that she's intoxicated by the smell of fear. What are cats most afraid of besides water? A dog. And what canine is more terrifying than a dog? A wolf. So Death took the form of a wolf to scare Puss even more.
And in reality, that's not a wolf, but a fox. And that drawing has nine tails, and that's inspired by a spirit from Japanese culture called Kyūbi no Kitsune.
It's impossible for someone with Class 25 LS to physically match and overpower someone with Class M LS. It would be like putting a fly against an elephant in a tug-of-war. It's a one-sided contest.
As I mentioned before, the feat is K class, and if we take into account that Death didn't fight anything seriously we can leave it as "possibly M class"
 
You are right about that not everyone has a lot of time, I mean maybe they have surgery, they are going to study, to work or they had a loss, the problem is that you call me a stalker when I am not, I mean I understand that you have other things to do, but when I see your name in recent activities it means that you are active but you do not check my messages, look I know that you are not obligated to respond but you cannot call me a stalker for sending you too many messages, look I do not know what cyberbullying is like in your country, I will assume that you are from the USA but here in Mexico, cyberbullying is considered immediately, if you send death threats like "if you do not answer me I will kill you", or adult content, that is considered cyberbullying immediately
Stop making excuses for obvious rule violations.
I can explain that phrase well to you, since I speak Spanish, when Death said in Spanish "Why the hell did I go play with my food?", it commonly refers to the fact that he wasn't serious, meaning that he hardly used any of his power, it's like saying "Why the hell didn't I fight seriously?", that's what he wanted to imply.
Yes, but that doesn't tell us exactly how much stronger he is compared to Puss or if he's stronger than the Giant.
Actually, that calculation is incorrect for several reasons:
1. It has no lines.
2. It says Puss is 2.5 ft or 0.762 m tall, when in reality, Puss is 2 ft or 0.6096 m tall. I already corrected it this time with the help of a user named saldersalva, and this time I used a crystal. There Death receives a Class K Lifting Force
3. Puss and the crystal used are at different depths, making the scaling faulty.
1. What does that even mean?
2. I already explained above why I think we should use a direct WoG statement (that comes from the director himself by the way) over a contextually rough approximation from another character.
3. The current calculation is accepted while yours is rejected by 2 CGMs. Get it checked again if you have revised it.
Bro, that image is actually Death's true form, and I'll explain why Death can change shape:
Death has sometimes stated that she's intoxicated by the smell of fear. What are cats most afraid of besides water? A dog. And what canine is more terrifying than a dog? A wolf. So Death took the form of a wolf to scare Puss even more.
And in reality, that's not a wolf, but a fox. And that drawing has nine tails, and that's inspired by a spirit from Japanese culture called Kyūbi no Kitsune.
W-What kind of bullshit goofy riggity mental gymnastics is this?!? Seriously, where is all of that even stated or shown? They're all just assumptions on your part.
As I mentioned before, the feat is K class, and if we take into account that Death didn't fight anything seriously we can leave it as "possibly M class"
For that you'll need proof that Death actually scales above the Giant as you've been claiming. The jump from Class K to Class M is much bigger than you'd expect.
 
Stop making excuses for obvious rule violations.
It's not an excuse, I'm just explaining.
1. What does that even mean?
2. I already explained above why I think we should use a direct WoG statement (that comes from the director himself by the way) over a contextually rough approximation from another character.
3. The current calculation is accepted while yours is rejected by 2 CGMs. Get it checked again if you have revised it
I'm going to prove you wrong:
1.- According to you, with the heels of her boots, Puss goes from 0.6096 m to 0.762 m, that's very stupid. a man's the heels measures between 2 and 5 cm, but you say that his heels, measure 15 cm, I mean, what kind of nonsense is that?!
You only talk because you have a mouth.

W-What kind of bullshit goofy riggity mental gymnastics is this?!? Seriously, where is all of that even stated or shown? They're all just assumptions on your part.
It's not nonsense. Unlike you, I do my research.
And you want to know what's even dumber? Saying that Puss is 0.762 m tall because of her heels.
 
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I'm going to prove you wrong:
1.- According to you, with the heels of her boots, Puss goes from 0.6096 m to 0.762 m, that's very stupid. a man's the heels measures between 2 and 5 cm, but you say that his heels, measure 15 cm, I mean, what kind of nonsense is that?!
You only talk because you have a mouth.


It's not nonsense. Unlike you, I do my research.
And you want to know what's even dumber? Saying that Puss is 0.762 m tall because of her heels.
I NEVER SAID HIS HEELS MAKE HIM 15 CENTIMETERS TALLER. You're putting words in my mouth. Do you have any counterarguments to the fact that 2.5 feet came from a statement made by the director himself? If not then just stop trying to argue that it's unreliable.
 
I NEVER SAID HIS HEELS MAKE HIM 15 CENTIMETERS TALLER. You're putting words in my mouth. Do you have any counterarguments to the fact that 2.5 feet came from a statement made by the director himself? If not then just stop trying to argue that it's unreliable.
Bro, the character x you're talking about is Kitty, I mean, Kitty knows everything about Puss, "she even knew that her true love was the same."
You said this:
I mean, Kitty said "about 2 feet tall" which sounds more like a rough estimate than a precise one, and the 2.5 ft height apparently came from the director himself (also without taking things like his high heels into account).
 
So you're saying we should take the words from another character over the words of the creators themselves?
Yes, bro, because it doesn't come from just anyone, but from Kitty, who is his girlfriend, and also in the movie Puss never corrected him like "you're wrong, Kitty, I'm not 2 feet tall, I'm 2.5 feet tall, which is a big difference."
 
Yes, bro, because it doesn't come from just anyone, but from Kitty, who is his girlfriend, and also in the movie Puss never corrected him like "you're wrong, Kitty, I'm not 2 feet tall, I'm 2.5 feet tall, which is a big difference."
You're saying his girlfriend knows him better than the people who made him? I'm starting to think 2 feet was retconned since it came from the first movie which was 11 years ago.
 
You're saying his girlfriend knows him better than the people who made him? I'm starting to think 2 feet was retconned since it came from the first movie which was 11 years ago.
Also, 2 feet is closer to the height of an average domestic cat.
And to start with, the director of the second film didn't create it.
The director of the first film was Chris Miller, who also directed Sherk 3, and the one who directed the second film was Joel Crawford, so he's not its creator.
 
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