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Satoru Gojo (The Honored One) Vs Makima (The Control Devil) (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [49-37-7]

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Zabazab said:
Conjecture. There's no other organ that could cause that kind of deadly hemorrhaging when damaged.


I don't agree. If the visual was accurate, where did all of that blood go? Clearly not out his nose, it was only a small bleed until the 5th attempt. RCT doesn't make the blood that has already left the circulatory system vanish.


This instantly shut down Sukuna's ability to access his Domain or heal any more brain damage. It also isn't nearly as severe as the Darkness Devil's hemmorhaging.


From just damaging his right prefrontal cortex and healing it. And only 5 times, which at the same time made opening his Domain an instant death. Because sorcerers simply do not handle brain damage well.
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RCT does make blood vanish, otherwise Gojo should've been a bloody mess inside MS.

And the overall point is that Gojo can survive for longer than a few seconds at best. This guy healed an injury with similar properties FIVE times while dealing with other shit and needing to use RCT for other purposes (Like healing himself through MS). To say he can't at least survive the bio hax long enough to retaliate is being wayy to generous to makima and being way too harsh on Gojo.
Epyriel said:
If Gojo’s domain works on her and tries to win through 1 day of incapacitation, the odds work out to about a 0.23% chance of him dying through her contract before he reaches the 24 hour mark.
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0.23% is still low asf
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I’m pretty sure Gojo is Class M rn. There’s legit no class G calcs for JJK rn on their profiles
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Gojo's class M still has a higher value than Makima's so it doesn't matter either way
 
GunshyFever said:
Uh-uh. It's not vague. Speaking of the scenario itself, both are practically the same thing. Makima doesn't use Conquest and knows she's facing a strong opponent. We don't have a reason to look around the circle or maybe you need to bring me to the side of the park you're on, because I'm reflecting on my latter statement.

Take note of everything above.

Nah, Makima activated multiple sets of abilities in quick succession to carry out her plan. She's not going to take shortcuts considering she’s calculated.

I mean sure, she could have tried it. But we’d already established that she couldn’t because of the speed gap between the two. In that scenario, when she used "bang," it was only to see if Pochita could survive being in space, for that sole reason. It’s a given fact that Makima is a huge fan of Pochita, so she wanted to hype up his potential. Did you see how amazed she was when he got himself out of a BFR? That’s called glaze (I'm being half satirical, half serious). But to put it more formally, Makima was simply testing Pochita’s scope in that scene, which she explains.

They didn’t know much about Darkness at all. Only Pingsti did and guess what her ability was? Yep, information analysis. But that said, your argument in this section still holds. Makima would know about the Darkness Devil’s status and inherent power. The fiends only knew the standard physiology of primal fears, nothing specific about the Darkness Devil. The scenarios are the same status-checking and gauging power.

Still, I’m inclined to believe she knew more. Makima was the one who stated that Santa Claus would become invulnerable once it turned nighttime. So yeah, it seems like she either heard things about the Darkness Devil beforehand or even passively observed or read his memories. Either is plausible. So from that standpoint, I see what you mean. However, for the reasons stated, I still believe Makima would use that ability in quick succession.

This'll be here when you awake.
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"Strong" is very different in either scenario. She knows how strong Primals are, they are literally strong enough to make lower tier devils just crawl around in despair and want to kill themselves. There's no way her having prior knowledge on Gojo is the same as her knowing the darkness devil came to **** up her plans. She doesn't even know what a sorcerer is, or how Gojo being the strongest in the modern era is relevant at all. All she knows is Gojo's strong, to what extent is completely on her own to imagine. Gojo could be strong and still weaker than Makima, however against the darkness devil she KNOWS that not only is the darkness devil far stronger than her but its the to extent that there won't even be a fight. Cause she didn't even try to fight DD, the bio hax was just to stall time.

I also think saying that Makima starts with a move she's used a grand total of two times in the series, one of which being against a random fodder, rather than the move she used consistently throughout her most prolonged fight (Against Pochita) to be a stretch. You'd have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify that she uses this move which doesn't even have a name over her most notorious attack right before her conquest ability.

She could given that she had a clear visual on Pochita. And I'm pretty sure she could glaze him all the same if he could heal his organs being destroyed like that in quick succession, this is yet another instance where Makima opted for bang rather than bio hax.
 
Voting gojo. Makima's only win con is brain hemorrhaging and gojo was able to heal his brain leaking a river of blood, so even if (and thats a big if,makima has no ideas about his powers and she has a wide range of lethal attacks she uses much more consistently ) makima starts the fight with this attack gojo will survive. Meanwhile he outstats in AP badly. He'll immediately close the distance and just fire a red or spawn a blue on her body and end the fight.
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Her future sight and reaction speed is also negated by the fact that cursed techniques are invisible and she has the weakness of just enduring attacks launched at her instead of dodging . Also her precog is something thats manually activated I dont remember her ever actually using this ability.
 
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no the brain feat is mid. gojo is a good brain RCT guy but the brain is still a weak point to sorcerers and we know it will cause death if the brain is damaged
he'll probably last 5 seconds
 
Robo432343 said:
no the brain feat is mid. gojo is a good brain RCT guy but the brain is still a weak point to sorcerers and we know it will cause death if the brain is damaged
he'll probably last 5 seconds
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No, we know it will cause death if its destroyed, he literally already healed brain damage.
 
Gojo’s ability to RCT his brain is a desperate last-ditch move not something that can be spammed constantly
 
Razor said:
"Strong" is very different in either scenario. She knows how strong Primals are, they are literally strong enough to make lower tier devils just crawl around in despair and want to kill themselves. There's no way her having prior knowledge on Gojo is the same as her knowing the darkness devil came to **** up her plans. She doesn't even know what a sorcerer is, or how Gojo being the strongest in the modern era is relevant at all. All she knows is Gojo's strong, to what extent is completely on her own to imagine. Gojo could be strong and still weaker than Makima, however against the darkness devil she KNOWS that not only is the darkness devil far stronger than her but its the to extent that there won't even be a fight. Cause she didn't even try to fight DD, the bio hax was just to stall time.

I also think saying that Makima starts with a move she's used a grand total of two times in the series, one of which being against a random fodder, rather than the move she used consistently throughout her most prolonged fight (Against Pochita) to be a stretch. You'd have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify that she uses this move which doesn't even have a name over her most notorious attack right before her conquest ability.

She could given that she had a clear visual on Pochita. And I'm pretty sure she could glaze him all the same if he could heal his organs being destroyed like that in quick succession, this is yet another instance where Makima opted for bang rather than bio hax.
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It's actually used far more often than you give it credit for. Anyway, it's still the most likely ability Makima would use in this battle. Most of Makima's abilities don't have names and in general her attacks are very vague and hard to interpret. You could argue that it's unlikely she would use it, but there's always a scenario where she might, because out of all her moves, she actually uses this one as an opener, unlike "Bang" or virtually any other ability aside from Conquest. The time Makima got a clear visual on Pochita, she also sent him into space which is arguably more effective than destroying his internals, considering she knows he can regenerate. Not the strongest argument.

The point is, when Makima doesn't use Conquest, she's more inclined to lay waste to her opponent using that ability, just as she's done in the past, multiple times in quick succession to subjugate enemies.
 
Jaynic1 said:
Makima's attack is not like toji's stab. The only damage we've seen it cause is people bleeding from their eyes and mouths.
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We already went over this.
Zabazab said:
It causes cerebral hemorrhaging, given the victims bleed from the eyes and nose, killing them. Shown in chapter 33, episode 11, and chapter 66.
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It's actually far worse because cerebral hemorrhaging is almost always fatal, especially considering Makima can control its intensity.
 
GunshyFever said:
We already went over this.

It's actually far worse because cerebral hemorrhaging is almost always fatal, especially considering Makima can control its intensity.
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I acknowledged it causes hemorrhaging what I dont acknowledge is that it is equivalent to getting stabbed in the brain like toji did. And again gojo's brain was bleeding tons of blood and he healed that damage five times, he can heal cerebral hemorrhaging.
 
Jaynic1 said:
I acknowledged it causes hemorrhaging what I dont acknowledge is that it is equivalent to getting stabbed in the brain like toji did. And again gojo's brain was bleeding tons of blood and he healed that damage five times, he can heal cerebral hemorrhaging.
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uh yeah Makima's is worse than Toji's stab
 
So if you want to say gojo cant heal makima's brain attack then you'd have to prove that the damage it induces is worse than what gojo has been shown to heal from. He wont be able to take the attack multiple times but its certainly not a one shot.
 
i think we're glazing the 5 times healing too much
He damaged and healed his brain a few times strategically in the Sukuna fight not from trauma but to reset his domain expansion. He didn't suffer full cerebral trauma and he was in control of that damage
he cant survive full-brain hemorrhaging like what Makima inflicts. also RCT requires conscious effort and if Makima’s attack causes instant widespread brain death gojo wouldn't even be able to trigger it
 
Robo432343 said:
i think we're glazing the 5 times healing too much
He damaged and healed his brain a few times strategically in the Sukuna fight not from trauma but to reset his domain expansion. He didn't suffer full cerebral trauma and he was in control of that damage
he cant survive full-brain hemorrhaging like what Makima inflicts. also RCT requires conscious effort and if Makima’s attack causes instant widespread brain death gojo wouldn't even be able to trigger it
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Ye if the damage is instant to his whole brain he wont be able to heal but I dont think any of the makima panels show that, the only extent of the damage it shows is people bleeding from their face.
 
Jaynic1 said:
Prove that.
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In real world neurosurgery, a spontaneous or trauma induced intracerebral hemorrhage actually is far deadlier than a knife track that simply pierces the brain.
When an artery ruptures inside the cranial vault it releases pressurized blood into soft neural tissue that has almost nowhere to go. The expanding clot raises intracranial pressure within minutes which squashes adjacent brain structures, shuts off capillary perfusion and can force the brainstem downward in a terminal herniation cascade. Even if the initial bleed is modest, biochemical toxicity from iron, thrombin and glutamate sets off hours to days of secondary edema and cell death throughout the surrounding parenchyma.

By contrast, a classic brain stab creates a narrow and mostly linear tract. If the blade misses the deep brainstem or major vessels and ventricles, the damage is confined to a pencil thin corridor. Especially for Toji, the size of Gojo's injury was very, very minimal if you take a look at the scan.
 
Jaynic1 said:
Ye if the damage is instant to his whole brain he wont be able to heal but I dont think any of the makima panels show that, the only extent of the damage it shows is people bleeding from their face.
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it doesn't matter because cerebral hemorrhaging either way is far worse than what gojo faced
Gojo survived being stabbed with short-circuited parts of his brain but he’s never canonically healed from a massive, uncontrolled internal bleed, like a real cerebral hemorrhage which is what makima does
 
Jaynic1 said:
Ye if the damage is instant to his whole brain he wont be able to heal but I dont think any of the makima panels show that, the only extent of the damage it shows is people bleeding from their face.
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WRONG! Makima vs Darkness, Makima instantly caused Darkness to bleeds from all it's face to a huge puddle of blood. GG Lobolomy Kaisen.
 
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