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Tyrants of Time and Code - Dark King Fu (DBH) VS Crandle (PGR) [5-0-9]

Shar122 said:
Her range is low complex multi afaik actually + Only the Hetero Tower is 6D, she doesn't have HDE (6D) herself. Her AE type 1 is interactive.
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No, she has access to the entire Hetero Tower. She also legit has hax that scale to it, I don't know how many times I need to state this for you to understand that
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
That's not RE...
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That's AD yea. But he also has RE here.

 
AlipheeseXIV said:
No, she has access to the entire Hetero Tower. She also legit has hax that scale to it, I don't know how many times I need to state this for you to understand that
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Yeah, while she herself doesn't even HDE (6d) she only has mostly 6D hax via that, her stats and existence is still 5D overall from her profile.. her Ae type 1 is interactive. Fu's metaphysical haxes still incaps her.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Things like madness haxs and metaphysical aspects no longer abide by dimensionality so nowadays you need to look at layers does she have enough layered resistance
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I know metaphysical hax don't but I don't ever recall seeing anything about madness hax. I also don't understand how else you'd differntiate between a 4D and 5D hax if there is no difference other than range. So, am I to take that as a 3D hax being exactly the same as an infinite dimension hax apart from range even if it's shown potency is superior? Like, it's kinda weird
 
Shar122 said:
Yeah, while she herself doesn't even HDE (6d) she only has 6D hax via that, her stats is still 5D overall.
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Doesn't change the fact Fu can't kill her, I'm leaning towards incon but no one has offered an actual valid way of him doing anything against CM
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I know metaphysical hax don't but I don't ever recall seeing anything about madness hax. I also don't understand how else you'd differntiate between a 4D and 5D hax if there is no difference other than range. So, am I to take that as a 3D hax being exactly the same as an infinite dimension hax apart from range even if it's shown potency is superior? Like, it's kinda weird
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No Mind hax doesn't abide to dimensional level (I remember the staffs discussing about it, affecting a higher dimensional being is just a range feat for Mind hax iirc).
So yeah.
AlipheeseXIV said:
Doesn't change the fact Fu can't kill her, I'm leaning towards incon but no one has offered an actual valid way of him doing anything against CM
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He doesn't need to, she gets incaps over and over, if she turn into her Ae type 1 form, Fu can still interact and incaps, or just fuse with her body, gaining her abilities/powers.
She may resist Absorption, that's cool and all, She doesn't resist Fusionism from Fu.

+ he has space-time manipulation (via infinite space-time suprise braid slash, which is tied to his infinite 5D AP which made CC SSB Vegito say ouch)

He has immortality (type 6 & 8) as a dark King.

Or with his infinite LS telekinesis. .

Battle doesn't need the enemy to die tho, actually incaps is enough.
 
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Shar122 said:
He doesn't need to, she gets incaps over and over, if she turn into her Ae type 1 form, Fu can still interact and incaps, or just fuse with her body, gaining her abilities/powers.
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No. She doesn't need to turn into her AE type 1 form (I don't even know what this means) she can literally just teleport and appear anywhere that has PV. The PV exists everywhere, and outside of Fu's range, she can also see anywhere that has PV...so he can't do anything. She is the red tide...they aren't 2 separate entities it's literally her. And destroying her form doesn't mean anything unless you destroy all of the red tide which again...he cannot do because it exists outside his range.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I know metaphysical hax don't but I don't ever recall seeing anything about madness hax. I also don't understand how else you'd differntiate between a 4D and 5D hax if there is no difference other than range. So, am I to take that as a 3D hax being exactly the same as an infinite dimension hax apart from range even if it's shown potency is superior? Like, it's kinda weird
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Yeah Mind haxs can't be smurf anymore unless they are 1A so 5d or infinite dimensional would just be range nowadays you need to establish layers for this hax to have superior potency in vs matchups

So is her resistance layered?
AlipheeseXIV said:
Doesn't change the fact Fu can't kill her, I'm leaning towards incon but no one has offered an actual valid way of him doing anything against CM
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Is her CM hax passive or needs to be activated
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Yeah Mind haxs can't be smurf anymore unless they are 1A so 5d or infinite dimensional would just be range nowadays you need to establish layers for this hax to have superior potency in vs matchups

So is her resistance layered?
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L change Yeah it is layered. The amount of layers I never actually got around to adding tho
Killerdrone123 said:
Is her CM hax passive or needs to be activated
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Passive.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
No. She doesn't need to turn into her AE type 1 form (I don't even know what this means) she can literally just teleport and appear anywhere that has PV. The PV exists everywhere, and outside of Fu's range, she can also see anywhere that has PV...so he can't do anything. She is the red tide...they aren't 2 separate entities it's literally her. And destroying her form doesn't mean anything unless you destroy all of the red tide which again...he cannot do because it exists outside his range
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Unfortunately, The PV'S HDE is just 4D, which means nothing to Fu, AE type 1 doesn't mean anything here..

She can't go away since dimensional domain can do the job + his Active Aura already incaps her over and over, power null/purification doesn't equate to stamina reduc... Plus it disables someone from using any abilities/powers, it literally reduce his opponent's stamina to a bare minimum close to 0, and the game characters who has indefinite stamina restoration in game (like CC goku etc.. Yes they have indefinite stamina restoration via Adrenaline rush and Rejuvenation abilities as well), Fu himself having his cells also should possess that.
 
Shar122 said:
Unfortunately, The PV'S HDE is just 4D, which means nothing to Fu, AE type 1 doesn't mean anything here..

She can't go away since dimensional domain can do the job + his Active Aura already incaps her over and over, power null/purification doesn't equate to such.
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No buddy, you're misunderstanding. The PV exists everywhere in the Hetero Tower, Fu cannot destroy the Hetero Tower, he thus cannot destroy the PV.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
How many layers? Also are they accepted Fu has 3 layers of madness type 2.
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The layers for now are just default to 1 I'm assuming, they are accepted I just never attached a number to them cuz it's a lot of work to go over the whole series finding however many layers for the hax rn.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
No buddy, you're misunderstanding. The PV exists everywhere in the Hetero Tower, Fu cannot destroy the Hetero Tower, he thus cannot destroy the PV.
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It doesn't have omnipresent in the profile, he will just incaps her physical form, and Fu will just fuse her afterwards gaining her abilities/powers of her physical form or if she turn into PV, she doesnt have, even if she has resistance to Absorption like I said, it doesn't stop Fu's Fusionism which she doesn't resist. her multiple selves is just type 2 which mean multiple souls/non-physical aspects occupying her body. She doesn't have immortality type 9 In her profile... Which it worse for her... Since Fu can interact with her PV.
If she tried to run away, like I said Fu's Overwhelming aura just mushed her once again or immediately possess her or layered madness hax her with the dark factor.
AlipheeseXIV said:
Though yes, the PV itself at the moment is 4D.
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We are judging based on the profiles tho, if you want to make a change, imo you should create a CRT.
 
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Shar122 said:
It doesn't have omnipresent in the profile, he will just incaps her physical form, and Fu will just fuse her afterwards gaining her abilities/powers of her physical form or if she turn into PV, she doesnt have, even if she has resistance to Absorption like I said, it doesn't stop Fu's Fusionism which she doesn't resist. her multiple selves is just type 2 which mean multiple souls/non-physical aspects occupying her body.
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She has type 1 multiple selves wdym? Also you still have not offered any way for Fu to resist type 1 CM.
Shar122 said:
We are judging based on the profiles tho, if you want to make a change, imo you should create a CRT.
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It is apart of her profile. The Hetero Tower is there in it.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Passive.
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Are you sure? Judging from her profile, she actually just have resistance to concept hax, not actually possessing concept hax herself, and there's no notion of it being passive.

Resistance to:

Cool yea

Let's see:
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The Hetero Tower (Punishing: Gray Raven)

The Hetero Tower emerged after a series of earthquakes disrupted the earth. At first, it had a high concentration of Punishing Virus and emitted electromagnetic signals that affected both Constructs and humans. After Lee entered the tower it was revealed that the tower had a...
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I don't see any CM for the Hetero Tower. the Tower just makes her unkillable to most attacks protected if she's close to the Tower.. But Fu's Madness hax is layered (Mind are not tied to Dimennsional level).. Which she doesn't resist, and Yeah Fusionism seal the deal by fusing with her, gaining all her powers/abilities.
let's check The PV profile..
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The Punishing Virus

The Punishing Virus is a type of cybernetic pathogen that is able to infect both humans and machines. Upon infection, humans quickly die due to cellular breakdown; they can only survive in areas with low atmospheric viral concentrations with the assistance of a specially-designed serum that can...
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Ummm ok? .. where is the passive CM here?..

Her Cm 3 is not passive tho, this does not imply passive at all:
She needs to implant the concept of Red tide frst, which needs activation overall. There's no implication that it is passive.

overall, I'm voting fuu
 
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AlipheeseXIV said:
The layers for now are just default to 1 I'm assuming, they are accepted I just never attached a number to them cuz it's a lot of work to go over the whole series finding however many layers for the hax rn.
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Then yeah she is going to be susceptible to fu passive mind haxs
 
Shar122 said:
Are you sure? Judging from her profile, she actually just have resistance to concept hax, not actually possessing concept hax herself, and there's no notion of it being passive.

Resistance to:

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Dude...is this a joke? Are you purposefully just not clicking the second tab?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I know metaphysical hax don't but I don't ever recall seeing anything about madness hax. I also don't understand how else you'd differntiate between a 4D and 5D hax if there is no difference other than range. So, am I to take that as a 3D hax being exactly the same as an infinite dimension hax apart from range even if it's shown potency is superior? Like, it's kinda weird
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can we please add an NLF note regarding the durability negation page

it says on the dura neg page "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability" there are some people on here who think a 9-B character with dura neg can negate a 5-D characters dura or a High 1-A character's dura and this is assuming the character is NOT a smurf
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Mind hax and madness hax can’t be Smurf unless it’s 1-A. For haxes that are like metaphysical, such as mind, concepts, info, etc. they all don’t have like a dimensionality, and ones only superior when you have layers or 1-A shit.

Unless she resists more than 3 layers of mind hax I’m gonna vote Fuu since she doesn’t resist.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Dude...is this a joke? Are you purposefully just not clicking the second tab?
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Oh mb, judging by this tho i don't see this being passive still after reading the justification...Still my points still stands.
 
Shar122 said:
do you know that.. AE doesn't pertain Dimensional axis as well? It's called abstract existence for a reason.
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This is not true, not all AE functions the same. Depending on what AE it is it can function or be compared to a dimensional axis even if not exactly pertaining to one (say possibilities for example which can be 2A) or eternity who is the abstract representation of the marvel universe.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
It is indeed, passive. If he absorbs her, he dies.
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She has resistance to absorption.. fu has Fusionism, it isn't just absorbing her, but fusing together to create a new form, where Fu exceeds at, she doesn't have resistance to fusionism In her profile, but well still layered madness hax gg.
AlipheeseXIV said:
This is not true, not all AE functions the same. Depending on what AE it is it can function or be compared to a dimensional axis even if not exactly pertaining to one (say possibilities for example which can be 2A) or eternity who is the abstract representation of the marvel universe.
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Yeah, she's embodying AE type 1 pertaining to Energy, Information type 2, and Thoughts which are metaphysical aspects, it has nothing to do with dimensional properties, and I didn't say Fu needs to kill her did I? Like I said, incap is also viable here. Which is why I'm voting Fu.
 
Shar122 said:
Yeah, she's embodying AE type 1 pertaining to Energy, Information type 2, and Thoughts which are metaphysical aspects, it has nothing to do with dimensional properties, and I didn't say Fu needs to kill her did I? Like I said, incap is also viable here. Which is why I'm voting Fu.
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You haven't stated how he incaps, also you really seem to just not be able to understand what's on the page.
It's not about her AE type 1, it's her AE type 2 which is directly related to the Hetero Tower. Also you're fine to vote for whoever you want, I'm not trying to sway your opinion I'm asking for my own benefit.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
You haven't stated how he incaps, also you really seem to just not be able to understand what's on the page.
It's not about her AE type 1, it's her AE type 2 which is directly related to the Hetero Tower. Also you're fine to vote for whoever you want, I'm not trying to sway your opinion I'm asking for my own benefit.
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I already said that he will incap her over and over via infinite 5D overwhelming Aura crush, if it's not enough tho, he also has Corrosion inducement, layered Madness hax type 2 etc.. Or his infinite space-time braid slash (tied to his stats)..
Infinite LS telekinesis as well.
Whether if it is Ae Type 1 or 2..it still is the same the same result.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Says it clearly here. So I really don't know what you mean
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Yeah that's the embodiment of a concept or any other metaphysical aspects embodies on any scale (on a universal scale or higher), but it not mean they are that they are the embodiment of that scale (beinh the universe itself or tied to HDE).. Her stats is still 5D, her HDE as a PV is on a 4D scope.. And yeah, most of her haxes is 6D.
 
Shar122 said:
I already said that he will incap her over and over via infinite 5D overwhelming Aura crush
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That's not enough to incap her long enough for SBA standards, we've been over this.
Shar122 said:
Whether if it is Ae Type 1 or 2..it still is the same the same result.
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It is not the same result, he can't destroy the Tower so he can't brute force her AE type 2 unless he specifically does something to circumvent it. This is a pointless back and forth, I'll wait for someone else's input.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
It is not the same result, he can't destroy the Tower so he can't brute force her AE type 2 unless he specifically does something to circumvent it. This is a pointless back and forth, I'll wait for someone else's input.
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I'm not talking about the tower tho.. oh wait 💀 I was checking her base key mb.

Tho Fu can still incap her physical form. She came back, crushed by again, she will came back crush again... Also haxes doesn't equate to stats unless stated otherwise, she still has 5D durability after all. With 6D haxes.
Fusionism could deal with her? I mean. Conventional absorption =/= Fusionism. Layered madness hax, and corrosion inducement is still there.

She still needs to activate the Chaos contamination in order to induce her concept hax, the Tower is more so, serve as a an active protection for other haxes but i don't know how if that's going to prevent An Aura that I literally tied to His Ap.
Power null/purifying abilities is not the same as reducing let's say start like AP, or even stamina.
 
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If I recall correctly also, Fu can also seal the action abilities of all his opponents.
 
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