Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Fantric]

Spoiler: Ch 1267

Extreme it may sound, but even if they’re the “Strongest Imaginable” beyond the Ever-Expanding Multi-Dimensional Omnipotence, their existence would be “nothing more but paper in a book”, holding no meaning whatsoever.

Since the Ever-Expanding Multi-Dimensional Omniptence part was retconned but we are getting the dimensional updates now, what could be the potential scaling for the "Strongest Imaginable"?
I'm curious about this, might be interesting.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

That's....the sad thing... I've seen her many times but....I haven't seen any other characters from the verse...

Like the best I've seen is Kuro, and that too in like 2 posts, people really need to look at everything other than just the strongest characters tbh. Like I've seen matchups for Tensura characters other than Rimuru but....well, someday for sure.

Yeah people will not look at everything and you can tell with this all the same. They see Shiro, maybe Kuro and that's it. Then those who take even further beyond

Yogurt dethroned?!

Wake up babe new "The end" character dropped. Step aside Yogiri...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/5cPHKjbzw6

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/ikwPoI2OOI

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/6564TFb8IF

These are the posts btw....yea, some replies are funny..

The first one with the grug spam

 

[Noneless21]

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[Fantric]

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Isn't the reason Shiro is 1-A cuz of R>F? I doubt deleted part changes much for her specifically

 

[Noneless21]

Isn't the reason Shiro is 1-A cuz of R>F? I doubt deleted part changes much for her specifically

Even before the r>f revision, Shiro still have her 1-A rating after that statement got nuked to oblivion albeit possibly, because of some weird standard att and Pegasus' reasoning

 

[Fantric]

Even before the r>f revision, Shiro still have her 1-A rating albeit possibly, because of some weird standard att and Pegasus' reasoning

So, 1-C, possibly 1-A huh. Well, we got a concrete 1-A now so we don't need to worry for now.

I'm more curious about Nebula tbh. Will she be considered as strongest imaginable or an outlier like she is portrayed? This is gonna be really interesting.

 

[Bummel]

Nebula probably the anchor god know
As in to reach 1A in IAP you need to be able to best her
Considering she superior to like trilions amount of unknown power level creator god
Which include being like bipolar god whose higher dimensional then omnipotent and omniscience god and insane immortality like makina

 

[Fantric]

Yea... we're gonna need a lot of mental gymnastics for this lmao this isn't nearly as simple as it may look. We still have that power chart made by Toudai sensei with those ">" signs, it "might" add something in future.... I've also got a far fetched 1-A+ Shiro meta but that's for later...the more I think about the dimensional hierarchy the more my brain hurts...

 

[Noneless21]

well dont think about them because it's SoL, it's meaningless to scale them at the end of the day, Peak Count rank could be tier 1 for all we know and it'll barely change the story

 

[Fantric]

A tier 1 Lilia will be funny giving stomachaches to gods of other verses lmao

.....well, Kuro's baby castelas poision diffs many verses already

 

[Fantric]

...this reminds me....if someone ate those failed baby castelas without being knocked out.....would that give them 6D poison resistance....?

 

[Noneless21]

honestly, it knock out Kaito so yes, it should

 

[Fantric]

The last thing I want to see in powerscaling is seeing my favourite series getting no diffed by a goddamn sweet

 

[Noneless21]

Not the first time it happened, and it certainly won't be the last

 

[Fantric]

Huh?? When was the first time??

 

[Noneless21]

Huh?? When was the first time??

Something something scp high 1-A cake, who knew if it's even the first

 

[Fantric]

I'm not gonna be shocked if that wending machine was the first one..... there's also that fish.....SCP is weird...

 

[sukuna171]

The GOAT

Yogurt dethroned?!

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Never ceases to amuse me how this series can go from cute heartwarming stuff, to serious powerscaling.

Was just leisurely reading, now I have multiple things to think about. @Legacy30 was definitely on to something about High 3-A/Low 2-C 6 Kings for example...

Authorities and hax scaling in general are gonna need its own thread, there is definitely an argument for like 5-D smurf hax for authorities.

Not sure how I overlooked Peak Count Ranks being able to regen from obliteration when its what happened in Polaris vs Iris, probably an upgrade there to low godly regen.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Don't peak count ranks already have low godly? Illness is peak count, and has low godly...unless that's reserved for 6 king executives? Forgot if those can be different, but Iris doesn't have that so ig so

Do smurfs authority come from affecting Kaito with a blessing? I always wondered, if chronic stopping time that affect Kaito or not honestly

Also based on the last crt, I assume everyone count ranks and up will have time stop

 

[Fantric]

Was just leisurely reading, now I have multiple things to think about. @Legacy30 was definitely on to something about High 3-A/Low 2-C 6 Kings for example...

So, there is, in fact, potential for low 2-C Six Kings..?

Authorities and hax scaling in general are gonna need its own thread, there is definitely an argument for like 5-D smurf hax for authorities.

5-D for Supreme Gods' authorities?

Not sure how I overlooked Peak Count Ranks being able to regen from obliteration when its what happened in Polaris vs Iris, probably an upgrade there to low godly regen.

There was obliteration in Polaris vs Iris? I honestly don't remember that...

 

[Fantric]

Do smurfs authority come from affecting Kaito with a blessing? I always wondered, if chronic stopping time that affect Kaito or not honestly

I think it was explained in one chapter that if the authority is used with hostile intention, it won't work. But if it's not used with hostile intention, it will. I'll try to find the chapter.

 

[Legacy30]

Was just leisurely reading, now I have multiple things to think about. @Legacy30 was definitely on to something about High 3-A/Low 2-C 6 Kings for example...

I was half serious half joking about it but if you're on to it too...

 

[SweetDao]

I was half serious half joking about it but if you're on to it too...

Wank

 

[Legacy30]

Don't peak count ranks already have low godly? Illness is peak count, and has low godly...unless that's reserved for 6 king executives? Forgot if those can be different, but Iris doesn't have that so ig so

It's because there are two different statements that differ from the WN and LN.

In the first place. It was originally impossible for a battle of beings possessing power of this level to quickly end. After all, the Supreme Gods, the Six Kings and people who have abilities equal to them are basically immortal.

Even if their bodies are wiped out, they can resurrect themselves by twisting the law of causality, or just by regenerating their own bodies from nothing.
~WN chapter 635

Although she may appear to have wounds all over her body, in the first place, Funf…… or rather, Peak Count-rank Demons are immortal and can revive themselves even after being obliterated without a trace. It’s basically impossible for a battle of this class to be settled in a day or two. In fact, Funf can resume the battle with just a minute, and with an additional minute, she can completely regenerate her right arm that was erased.
LN volume 12

Basically, LN upgraded Peak Count rank immortality to low godly with an explicit statement, but in the WN it's more vague.

 

[Noneless21]

wank... wank everywhere

also we should tackle tier 4 Peak Count Rank before doing anything super drastic, maybe.

 

[Fantric]

I thought the tier 4 peak count ranks were accepted? Is there still something to discuss?

... about wank..... wait till I bring mid-godly regen for peak count ranks...

 

[Legacy30]

Pegasus only focused on Main Story CRT, Afterstories content hasn't been done yet since he's still catching up.

 

[Fantric]

I see. I thought there's an acceptance issue or something. I'm insecure with these updates tbh mostly cuz we're getting such big updates after such a long time.

 

[Noneless21]

Yeah which is why we're tackling things one by one from the easiest to the hardest (well, Pegasus will)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Do smurfs authority come from affecting Kaito with a blessing? I always wondered, if chronic stopping time that affect Kaito or not honestly

Kinda, based on where I am at right now, it's up in the air whether authorities can affect Kaito or Shiro's just like modifies his blessing to prevent that. Regardless, my argument will more so come from the mechanics of what blessings are, defensive magic casted on ppl, and authorities being degraded copies of Shiro's own authority, and then comparing it to informal blessings which Shiro granted, which Fate taking into her body, becomes transcendent over time and space. But yea will have to develop the argument.

But overall my general impressions of tiering so far would look like

Low tier Count Rank=High 6-A

Mid tier Count Rank=5-A

Peak Count Rank=4-A

Six Kings=High 3-A/Low 2-C

 

[Noneless21]

Can't believe we'll have low Count Rank rivaling the current Six Kings if this got accepted

Time does fly fast

 

[Fantric]

Okay....this took me off guard, the low and mid count ranks scaling I mean(more like I don't understand the reasoning but I'll wait)

About the blessing, I think it's like Shiro upgraded his blessing, I think it was also addressed in multiple chapters but I can't find it so good luck with that.

 

[Fantric]

Can't believe we'll have low Count Rank rivaling the current Six Kings if this got accepted

Low count ranks are more like fodder tiers in the current power ranking....yea, time sure flies fast...

 

[Noneless21]

Less of a fodder and more like mid top powerhouse

Remember out of 15 BILLION Demons, only about 50k is high ranking demon, there's probably less than a hundred of count rank beings not including the High Ranking God like Sky and Gaia

 

[Fantric]

In Trinia, sure.
But think of this from Kaito's perspective, Six Kings are current mid to high tiers of the verse with the rapid intro of world creators and higher dimensional beings at high to top of the ranking cuz there are too many to ignore. This would put peak count ranks at like what....low to mid tiers? Now imagine being a baseline count rank in this.....

 

[Enter_Bluey]

It's because there are two different statements that differ from the WN and LN.


Basically, LN upgraded Peak Count rank immortality to low godly with an explicit statement, but in the WN it's more vague.

Oh alright basically LN gave a more clear statement. Makes sense, since illness only has a profile for the LN one right now

Kinda, based on where I am at right now, it's up in the air whether authorities can affect Kaito or Shiro's just like modifies his blessing to prevent that. Regardless, my argument will more so come from the mechanics of what blessings are, defensive magic casted on ppl, and authorities being degraded copies of Shiro's own authority, and then comparing it to informal blessings which Shiro granted, which Fate taking into her body, becomes transcendent over time and space. But yea will have to develop the argument.

Last I remember, Fates non-serious ability didn't work on Kaito, but Isis's did, which put hers above certain authority and started the layers chain. Seems something like informal blessings < certain supreme god authorities < Kaitos blessing < Isis non-serious < Isis serious/Other authorities(?) < Fates authority serious < Supreme Authorities amped by Shiro < World creator fate . But thinking about it more just confuses me now

Also since you are doing a re-read, what is your opinion on Isis ability being stronger when directly targetting someone, compared to the passive? Been a while since I read, but I feel like this makes sense...just forgot if it actually happened that way or not(like killing life). Battles between six Kings can take a long time, and they come back a lot...Isis would probably be using her ability here I think. Otherwise it'd be completely useless

 

[Fantric]

Last I remember, Fates non-serious ability didn't work on Kaito, but Isis's did, which put hers above certain authority and started the layers chain. Seems something like informal blessings < certain supreme god authorities < Kaitos blessing < Isis non-serious < Isis serious/Other authorities(?) < Fates authority serious < Supreme Authorities amped by Shiro < World creator fate . But thinking about it more just confuses me now

This just a random question made by a newbie so excuse me if it sounds dumb but The magic power of death is directly compared to Shiro's authority by Kuro and the authorities of World Creators by Eden in nature rather than the authorities of Supreme Gods so shouldn't it be rated at CM type 1 instead of its current rating as type 2? Supreme Gods' authorities are CM type 2 cuz they are reproduction of Shiro's authorities, hence they can't bypass Kaito's blessing but Isis's passive did, showing that it's different from Supreme Gods' authorities.

Do we have any basis on why Fate's serious authority would work on Kaito? Like when she said the names the all the people on whom her authority just won't work, Kaito was included with the likes of Shiro, Kuro and Alice. We know it just isn't working on Shiro and Kuro, Alice countered her serious authority, so pretty much everyone mentioned there could just resist serious Fate's authority, the fact that she added Kaito with them ig should be enough to prove even the serious authority won't work on him?

 

[Legacy30]

Because Isis isn't a part of that list of people that resist Fate's authority. Fate's normal authority doesn't work on Alice, but when serious it does, so serious Fate is another level of monster.

[……That’s a scary power. I guess those eyes of yours were “the eyes who see fate” huh……]

Fate, who eyes changed into golden…… showing her seriousness, can tamper with not only the fate of the present, but also the fate of the future.

In other words, Fate can sense Shalltear’s future. Where they will attack, and where to aim so that her attack will never be evaded…… She can sense all of it, and making use of it to see the path to defeating Shalltear in the shortest amount of time.
~chapter 174

 

[Fantric]

But there comes another point that this is highly likely that serious Fate authority wouldn't work on Kaito but Isis's non serious did.....this is leading to a new topic of confusion so I'll zip up the questions I have for now.