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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

The definitive edition doesn't really do much, the only thing it did was take the bounce out but enemies take much less damage if you don't use the right color weapon and from what I remember they couldn't be staggered either.
This was the fix the original DmC needed badly, to which the Definitive Edition delivered, it brought back the freedom for combos.

Personally I find El Donte's gameplay really good because I don't think its SUPER SUPER Simple, but in that middle ground that you are able to pick it up easily, but once you start combining the weapons and abilities, it can get tricky to the average gamer, yet still fun. It's like Nero's simplicity but more Dante coded than ever. It is still quite an open game with 4 weapons to mix and match alongside with abilities that act similarly to some of the styles like Angel Dash/Trickster.

Color Coded enemies are bad game design 🥶
 
I hate everything about DmC, I genuinely think it's a bad game but ironically, from a story standpoint, it's better than the main series. In five mainline games, we still don't know what happened to Sparda, while the reboot straight up tells you he's sealed. And honestly, the way the story is told feels stronger in some aspects like including angels and demons, whereas the main series is just humans vs demons.


If Kamiya had stayed in charge instead of Itsuno, DMC's cosmology would've probably been way more powerful. Itsuno's worldbuilding always feels limited to city-level threats at best.


To be fair, the reboot has good level design and solid gameplay... but the characters are just unbearable.
 
I hate everything about DmC, I genuinely think it's a bad game but ironically, from a story standpoint, it's better than the main series. In five mainline games, we still don't know what happened to Sparda, while the reboot straight up tells you he's sealed. And honestly, the way the story is told feels stronger in some aspects like including angels and demons, whereas the main series is just humans vs demons..
Gimme that shit you are smoking, seems pretty good lowkey.
 
I genuinely think it's a bad game but ironically, from a story standpoint, it's better than the main series.
I gotta admit that the reboot had some impressive points. Portal creation, kill camera, announcer for stylish ranks and many more. DMC5 imported good things from the reboot.
The reboot story is decent because you don't have to retcon anything. DMC3 was supposed to be a parallel timeline in early development because it contradicts with Gilver.
 
Gimme that shit you are smoking, seems pretty good lowkey.
DMC Story is bullshit
The series has a lot of coherence issues, whether you like it or not. For starters, how is it that Urizen doesn’t absorb DSS but prefers to absorb Trish and Lady? And then there’s Dante waking up from a coma, wandering around his house, and suddenly deciding to stab himself to gain a power-up? Honestly, sorry to say, but the writer Bingo really dropped the ball here

I won’t even get into the fact that Yamato seems to gain new powers out of nowhere with every game, conveniently granted by Vergil. Then, as if by chance, in Before the Nightmare, Dante finds a fragment of Yamato in hell and escapes through a portal. At the end of DMC5, Nero tells Dante and Vergil that if they go there, they can’t come back but Vergil already has Yamato? That makes no sense

Another point: it’s said in DMC2 that Dante surpassed his father, but in DMC5 in SDT form, it’s suggested that maybe SDT Dante is more powerful than his father. This series lacks any real consistency.

Even Urizen seems weak compared to Mundus he eats his fruit and suddenly does kung fu? What the hell? Human base Dante destroys Urizen, who’s at full power with the fruit, but SDT Dante can’t destroy Urizen without the fruit? It’s all very confusing.

The worst part is that Dante is supposedly massively FTL (faster than light), yet V is right next to him trying to stab Urizen while Dante is running around like crazy when he could have just pulled out his gun and shot V easily. It makes no sense at all. 😅 😅 😅 😅

The best speed feats in DMC5 are Nero against Gilgamesh and Dante against Fury and even there, it’s contradictory. I mean, Nero can’t even catch up to Nico’s truck? That’s just nonsense. Similarly, Dante reacts quickly to Fury, but can’t react to V standing right next to him? Nah, that doesn’t add up.
 
Nero tells Dante and Vergil that if they go there, they can’t come back but Vergil already has Yamato? That makes no sense
I don't think anybody really believed that '-'

it’s said in DMC2 that Dante surpassed his father
I always thought it was in DMC 4

Human base Dante destroys Urizen
Nothing stopped Dante from using SDT during his fight with Urizen '-'

I don't know man, from all the other things it seems like you are reading too much into it, you're trying to find nit picks on a story that doesn't take itself too seriously
 
how is it that Urizen doesn’t absorb DSS but prefers to absorb Trish and Lady?
He didn't absorb them so much as use them as fillings for weapons that needed a host. And Malphas actually thought he was wrong to ignore the Sparda. I also don't know if he can use it since it's implied one needs a degree of decency to wield it properly.
And then there’s Dante waking up from a coma, wandering around his house, and suddenly deciding to stab himself to gain a power-up? Honestly, sorry to say, but the writer Bingo really dropped the ball here
The house reminded him of his past with Vergil and when his father gave him the Rebellion. He said so himself.
I won’t even get into the fact that Yamato seems to gain new powers out of nowhere with every game, conveniently granted by Vergil.
New unrevealed powers in later titles aren't unique to DMC.
Then, as if by chance, in Before the Nightmare, Dante finds a fragment of Yamato in hell and escapes through a portal.
Yamato was broken by Mundus, but it's true that could use some elaboration. Helps that other fragments are wielded by Balrog who came through the same place.
At the end of DMC5, Nero tells Dante and Vergil that if they go there, they can’t come back but Vergil already has Yamato? That makes no sense
I'm not sure Nero knows that much about demon world mechanics.
Another point: it’s said in DMC2 that Dante surpassed his father, but in DMC5 in SDT form, it’s suggested that maybe SDT Dante is more powerful than his father.
The DMC5 statement comes from Nico who never encountered Sparda or any demon king. What gauge does she have to make her an authority on Sparda's power?
Even Urizen seems weak compared to Mundus he eats his fruit and suddenly does kung fu?
That's about visuals, and I didn't like that they failed to show what Urizen could really do. Still, a lack of measurable showings in a later and stronger villain isn't proof of lower power. Cell technically has less impressive power feats than Master Roshi, for example
The worst part is that Dante is supposedly massively FTL (faster than light), yet V is right next to him trying to stab Urizen while Dante is running around like crazy when he could have just pulled out his gun and shot V easily. It makes no sense at all.
V isn't slow, it was just shown in slow motion, and Dante was exhausted by that point having just faced Urizen. That's why Vergil stomped him right after.
The best speed feats in DMC5 are Nero against Gilgamesh and Dante against Fury and even there, it’s contradictory. I mean, Nero can’t even catch up to Nico’s truck? That’s just nonsense. Similarly, Dante reacts quickly to Fury, but can’t react to V standing right next to him? Nah, that doesn’t add up.
Regarding V, Dante was already wrecked from his fight with Urizen and V isn't slow.

Regarding the apparent anti-feats, they happen all the time in other verses. Thor travels across the galaxy but gets knocked out by a bullet. Thanos gets arrested by normal cops. Loki once fell into a trapdoor and was helpless as it opened beneath him. Zack Fair scales to FTL speeds and celestial body feats but gets gunned down by soldiers. Tifa scales to those same things but struggles against creatures which struggle to catch up to a little girl and get pinned down by the water from a fire hydrant. Kratos scales to universe shaking feats yet struggles to lift doors and is shown struggling to drop a statue on Balder which damages him more than Kratos' axe. Inconsistencies are very common in fictional power levels, and that scene with the van is contradicted by even the most basic speed feats in DMC, unless the van was faster than we think, which it might be.
 
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What huge titles you played?
I haven't played a lot of games, but here are some that come to mind that I have finished:

Dark Souls 1 (I actually just finished like, 30 minutes ago)
God of War 2
God of War: Chains of Olympus
Megaman X
The Witcher 3
Doom (2016)
Fallout New Vegas
Skyrim (6/10 in a good day)
Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry 3
Devil May Cry 4
Devil May Cry 5
Hades
Dead Cells
Counter Strike
Valorant
Baldur's Gate 3
Metal Gear Rising
Ori and the Blind Forest
Stardew Valley
Vermintide 2
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic Generations
Battlefield 4
Battlefield ONE
COD Ghosts and Advanced Warfare
GTA V
GTA IV
Halo 4
Halo: Reach
South Park: The Stick of Truth

Possibly a few others but I won't remember it now
 
I haven't played a lot of games, but here are some that come to mind that I have finished:

Dark Souls 1 (I actually just finished like, 30 minutes ago)
God of War 2
God of War: Chains of Olympus
Megaman X
The Witcher 3
Doom (2016)
Fallout New Vegas
Skyrim (6/10 in a good day)
Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry 3
Devil May Cry 4
Devil May Cry 5
Hades
Dead Cells
Counter Strike
Valorant
Baldur's Gate 3
Metal Gear Rising
Ori and the Blind Forest
Stardew Valley
Vermintide 2
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic Generations
Battlefield 4
Battlefield ONE
COD Ghosts and Advanced Warfare
GTA V
GTA IV
Halo 4
Halo: Reach
South Park: The Stick of Truth

Possibly a few others but I won't remember it now
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DMC Story is bullshit
The series has a lot of coherence issues, whether you like it or not. For starters, how is it that Urizen doesn’t absorb DSS but prefers to absorb Trish and Lady? And then there’s Dante waking up from a coma, wandering around his house, and suddenly deciding to stab himself to gain a power-up? Honestly, sorry to say, but the writer Bingo really dropped the ball here
Arrogance, also he didn't absorb those 2 rather used them as batteries for his toys.

With Dante and Rebellion, pretty sure they wanted to ride on the dichotomy between Vergil/Dante & Yamato/Rebellion. All of Yamato abilities were known by the time of Deadly Fortune as that's when the whole "separate man from demon" stuff became a thing. Dante just realizing that, just like the twins, the swords were opposite in nature and thus could do opposite things was a click moment for him.

Now, I do agree Bingo let the ball down in several instances here but I don't know if that's because he had to fit the story to what they were creating or if Itsuno didn't like it. DMC5 could have been better and some of the old "leaks" were better imo.

I won’t even get into the fact that Yamato seems to gain new powers out of nowhere with every game, conveniently granted by Vergil. Then, as if by chance, in Before the Nightmare, Dante finds a fragment of Yamato in hell and escapes through a portal. At the end of DMC5, Nero tells Dante and Vergil that if they go there, they can’t come back but Vergil already has Yamato? That makes no sense
Most of the powers in DMC5 come from Deadly Fortune and it was Dante who explained and showed them tho.

Agree with that, not only they have Yamato but they also have the perfect amulet and Sparda (now Dante) so they can pretty much get out whenever they want.

Another point: it’s said in DMC2 that Dante surpassed his father, but in DMC5 in SDT form, it’s suggested that maybe SDT Dante is more powerful than his father. This series lacks any real consistency.
They just wanted to keep Sparda relevant even it it doesn't make any sense.
Even Urizen seems weak compared to Mundus he eats his fruit and suddenly does kung fu? What the hell? Human base Dante destroys Urizen, who’s at full power with the fruit, but SDT Dante can’t destroy Urizen without the fruit? It’s all very confusing.
100% agree. His boss fights were boring and not as spectacular/grandiose as things like Mundus or even Argosax.

Also nah, Dante was going to kill armor urizen but he left before Dante finished (basically ran away) then with the fruit he had enough power to almost match Dante at his peak.

The worst part is that Dante is supposedly massively FTL (faster than light), yet V is right next to him trying to stab Urizen while Dante is running around like crazy when he could have just pulled out his gun and shot V easily. It makes no sense at all. 😅 😅 😅 😅

The best speed feats in DMC5 are Nero against Gilgamesh and Dante against Fury and even there, it’s contradictory. I mean, Nero can’t even catch up to Nico’s truck? That’s just nonsense. Similarly, Dante reacts quickly to Fury, but can’t react to V standing right next to him? Nah, that doesn’t add up.
P L O T
 
Biggest Plot Hole is Dante has aTomboy Baddie at his side for 3 Games and refuses to put a ring on her.
Actually, he moved to kiss her in DMC3, and she recoiled. After that their relationship was defined as friends. His refusal to "settle down" is due to his trauma and gaps in his maturity though, and honestly Lady is more similar to him than one might think. That's why he leaves it up in the air with Lucia even though she clearly has romantic feelings for him and her mother even pushes him to give her some kind of answer. Although I do think the novel was "ship-teasing" Dante and Lucia, especially given that it came right after Itsuno pointedly rejected the Dante x Lady ship.
 
Actually, he moved to kiss her in DMC3, and she recoiled. After that their relationship was defined as friends. His refusal to "settle down" is due to his trauma and gaps in his maturity though, and honestly Lady is more similar to him than one might think. That's why he leaves it up in the air with Lucia even though she clearly has romantic feelings for him and her mother even pushes him to give her some kind of answer. Although I do think the novel was "ship-teasing" Dante and Lucia, especially given that it came right after Itsuno pointedly rejected the Dante x Lady ship.
Honestly Volume 1 puts it best into perspective.

Dante has no trouble seducing women, they fall for him at his whims but he is tired of them. So many women have played with his heart and his feelings to the point he doesn't want anything to do with them anymore and his legit romantic interest (probably... Jessica liked Dante) died at his hands because of Gilver.

Add the fact that people who are close to him always end up dead, suffering or just hate him and that's a recipe for someone who wants to avoid human contact as much as possible.

Also, Dante x Lady is just fans coping. Lady doesn't even like Dante as a friend and thinks he is lying about being sparda's spawn but keeps him close because he is good killing demons.

Lucia wants Dante but what I said above is a thing.

Trish is more like his sister/mom/weird partner in crime, their relationship is not romantic but oddly intimate. They understand each other on some level that Lady could never because they are demons.

Patty... depends on how you interpret the call. But Dante doesn't look at her with that kind of interest so it wouldn't work anyways.

Beryl, legit the only heroine who canonically kissed him. She did it as payment.
 
The best speed feats in DMC5 are Nero against Gilgamesh and Dante against Fury and even there, it’s contradictory. I mean, Nero can’t even catch up to Nico’s truck? That’s just nonsense. Similarly, Dante reacts quickly to Fury, but can’t react to V standing right next to him? Nah, that doesn’t add up.
Let's not pretend this didn't happen in any media, PIS does exist but that doesn't make it anti feats or whatsoever. Some plot make the fastest character look slow for sake of story. VoV even make it clear Dante lowkey happy when V merged with Ergil to become a whole Vergil, dude smile when that happens.
 
Let's not pretend this didn't happen in any media, PIS does exist but that doesn't make it anti feats or whatsoever. Some plot make the fastest character look slow for sake of story.
Fire hydrant level FF7...
VoV even make it clear Dante lowkey happy when V merged with Ergil to become a whole Vergil, dude smile when that happens.
Valid point. Subconsiously Dante has always wished he could have his brother back. Remember how he reached out to him at the end of DMC3.
 
Honestly Volume 1 puts it best into perspective.

Dante has no trouble seducing women, they fall for him at his whims but he is tired of them. So many women have played with his heart and his feelings to the point he doesn't want anything to do with them anymore and his legit romantic interest (probably... Jessica liked Dante) died at his hands because of Gilver.

Add the fact that people who are close to him always end up dead, suffering or just hate him and that's a recipe for someone who wants to avoid human contact as much as possible.
All true indeed.
Also, Dante x Lady is just fans coping.
I'm well aware.
Lady doesn't even like Dante as a friend and thinks he is lying about being sparda's spawn but keeps him close because he is good killing demons.
Really? I know she treats him poorly but where is that stated?
Lucia wants Dante but what I said above is a thing.
I do think they're being teased though. And his reunion with Vergil might help him to grow into being more available.
Trish is more like his sister/mom/weird partner in crime, their relationship is not romantic but oddly intimate. They understand each other on some level that Lady could never because they are demons.
I agree they behave like siblings.
Patty... depends on how you interpret the call. But Dante doesn't look at her with that kind of interest so it wouldn't work anyways.
Dante is emphatically opposed to seeing Patty that way.
Beryl, legit the only heroine who canonically kissed him. She did it as payment.
Yeah, but she's also only in a novel so I doubt she'll be the love interest.
 
Really? I know she treats him poorly but where is that stated?
Deadly Fortune, the second half when she is talking with the demon fanatic guy who sells her silver bullets.
I do think they're being teased though. And his reunion with Vergil might help him to grow into being more available.
Nah, she realized he isn't into relationships and Dante is Dante.
Yeah, but she's also only in a novel so I doubt she'll be the love interest.
She left that world without looking back. Getting involved with Dante is just not in character for her.
 
Most DMC fandom seems to forgot that Lady and Trish treat Dante like a shit, those two really treat him like walking money machines. While Dante money mostly goes into Gru's daughters and some jobs he had where client didn't even payed him.
 
Deadly Fortune, the second half when she is talking with the demon fanatic guy who sells her silver bullets.
Is it explicitly stated that she doesn't like him and only uses him? I do suspect that her popularity with the audience isn't fully shared by the developers, so maybe.
Nah, she realized he isn't into relationships and Dante is Dante.
There's no resolution to that thing, with Dante very clearly speculating on his age (perhaps another nod to growing up and settling down) in response to the Lucia thing, and DMC5 was very heavily focused on Dante and Vergil growing up past some of their past trauma, most notably in regard to each other. So again, we'll see. I just suspect the developers may have worked a ship-teasing sub-plot into that novel for a reason, and think Lucia is the only one for whom it is in character for her to be with Dante.
She left that world without looking back. Getting involved with Dante is just not in character for her.
Fair.
 
Actually, he moved to kiss her in DMC3, and she recoiled. After that their relationship was defined as friends. His refusal to "settle down" is due to his trauma and gaps in his maturity though, and honestly Lady is more similar to him than one might think. That's why he leaves it up in the air with Lucia even though she clearly has romantic feelings for him and her mother even pushes him to give her some kind of answer. Although I do think the novel was "ship-teasing" Dante and Lucia, especially given that it came right after Itsuno pointedly rejected the Dante x Lady ship.
Is there any hint of romance in Dante?
Can you elaborate on that?
I thought he was pizzasexual
 
Is there any hint of romance in Dante?
Can you elaborate on that?
I thought he was pizzasexual
The novel tells us that he has seduced plenty of women but is ultimately not ready to settle down and unable to really be the partner a woman might want. This is rooted in his past trauma. Emotionally Dante and Vergil are both stunted. Essentially they're both little boys in suits of armour made from their personalities and powers. In Dante's case he avoids these issues by shunning deeper connections (and yet ironically he clearly needs them as shown by his depression when Trish and later Patty leave in the anime) and generally convincing himself he doesn't care about these things. This is a sign of severe depression, by the way. In Vergil's case he rejects his own pain as a symptom of human weakness and works to become so powerful that nothing can hurt him, and towards that end he's willing to harm others, the characteristic that made him a villain. It actually gets far more in-depth than this, but this explains the issues.

At the end of DMC5 they're both scolded for this by Nero, a far more emotionally stable and healthy individual, due to his having grown up with a family thanks to Credo and Kyrie, not losing Credo until he was 18 as opposed to them losing Eva at 8 and never becoming effectively homeless as a result like they did. After Nero's scolding, Dante and Vergil are shown acting as brothers for the first time since Eva's death, finally working on their relationship. This is the trauma neither of them has moved past, and which they are now finally working on by coming together as brothers.

In the Before the Nightmare novel, Matier and later Lucia inform Dante that Lucia loves him, and he is uncertain of how to deal with this information and is left questioning his now not-so-young age. The novel also makes a point of saying that Dante and Lucia deeply trust each other, an interesting contrast with his obvious distrust of Lady and Trish, demonstrated by his explicitly taking precautions against them having control of his office by giving that power to Morrison. That's why I think Lucia would make the most sense.
 
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The novel tells us that he has seduced plenty of women but is ultimately not ready to settle down and unable to really be the partner a woman might want. T
Wow, I thought he was a virgin
his is rooted in his past trauma. Emotionally Dante and Vergil are both stunted. Essentially they're both little boys in suits of armour made from their personalities and powers. In Dante's case he avoids these issues by shunning deeper connections
Quite tragic
(and yet ironically he clearly needs them as shown by his depression when Trish and later Patty leave in the anime)
Was it in the anime? Maybe I didn't pay attention to the signs of depression.
At the end of DMC5 they're both scolded for this by Nero, a far more emotionally stable and healthy individual, due to his having grown up with a family thanks to Credo and Kyrie, not losing Credo until he was 18 as opposed to them losing Eva at 8 and never becoming effectively homeless as a result like they did. After Nero's scolding, Dante and Vergil are shown acting as brothers for the first time since Eva's death, finally working on their relationship. This is the trauma neither of them has moved past, and which they are now finally working on by coming together as brothers.
It seems that I took part 5 too superficially. Although I still didn't have enough Dante development
In the Before the Nightmare novel, Matier and later Lucia inform Dante that Lucia loves him, and he is uncertain of how to deal with this information and is left questioning his now not-so-young age. The novel also makes a point of saying that Dante and Lucia deeply trust each other, an interesting contrast with his obvious distrust of Lady and Trish demonstrated by his explicitly taking precautions against them having control of his office by giving that power to Morrison. That's why I think Lucia would make the most sense.
Thank you
 
Wow, I thought he was a virgin
No, quite far from it. He is however lacking a romance that was actually real though. Ironic given that he clearly does believe in love as shown in the anime episode 3.
Was it in the anime? Maybe I didn't pay attention to the signs of depression.
Final episode shows him miserable after Patty leave, and at the end of Episode 4 he asks Trish to stay and she teases him suggesting he misses her. The closing credits also show him clearly miserable by himself in his office.
It seems that I took part 5 too superficially. Although I still didn't have enough Dante development
The novel does add to it a fair bit, but there is finally room for growth now that the brothers are reconciling. Otherwise they'll both always be the little boy the night Eva died.
Thank you
You're welcome, but what are you thanking me for?
 
No, quite far from it. He is however lacking a romance that was actually real though. Ironic given that he clearly does believe in love as shown in the anime episode 3.

Final episode shows him miserable after Patty leave, and at the end of Episode 4 he asks Trish to stay and she teases him suggesting he misses her. The closing credits also show him clearly miserable by himself in his office.

The novel does add to it a fair bit, but there is finally room for growth now that the brothers are reconciling. Otherwise they'll both always be the little boy the night Eva died.

You're welcome, but what are you thanking me for?
For the detailed answer. I've learned more about these characters.
 
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