Hax Lord vs Hax Lord (Rimuru vs Yhwach)

[Johner2133451]

The issue here is that no future is winning for Ywach since he lacks a wincon.


If you read the thread, you will see that's never been claimed, the issue is Yhwach can't interact with Rimuru's soul or abilities, making him to turn into a Spiritual lifeform completely unavoidable.

Yhwach is not just seeing the future? He rewrites them

(With the Almighty, Yhwach can set traps and attack his opponent instantly through rewriting and attacking through the future. Yhwach’s attacks through the future cannot be sensed as well. If his attacks were to be blocked, he can rewrite the future to make his attack successful. Yhwach can defend himself from attacks by destroying the attack through the future)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yhwach is not just seeing the future? He rewrites them

(With the Almighty, Yhwach can set traps and attack his opponent instantly through rewriting and attacking through the future. Yhwach’s attacks through the future cannot be sensed as well. If his attacks were to be blocked, he can rewrite the future to make his attack successful. Yhwach can defend himself from attacks by destroying the attack through the future)

You missed the issue, He can't actually "rewrite" the future in a way where he suddenly can interact with IM 2, that would be a NLF.

 

[Robo432343]

No, he literally can't...

why??? just because he cant interact with rimurus soul doesn't mean he cant overwrite rimuru

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

why??? just because he cant interact with rimurus soul doesn't mean he cant overwrite rimuru

He can only interact with RImuru's physical body, how can he overwrite something he can't interact with?

 

[Robo432343]

He can only interact with RImuru's physical body, how can he overwrite something he can't interact with?

yeah he can incap rimurus physical body by rewriting rimuru

and incap counts as a win

 

[AlexSamDen]

Yhwach's almighty is passive

While it's main effects are passive, to do something he still needs a thought, which would already give Rimuru more than enough time

 

[Adam1396]

And where do you see us arguing about this?

That's type 2

Where did get this nonsensial idea. Even base knowledgable ones know that Time is type 1 concept.
He also absorbed ichibei's darkness which is rated as type 2, that's why I didn’t bring it.

Adding to the previous argument, Anti-Magic area with powernull, that can be activated faster than he uses Almighty due to 1000x thought speed amp

Activated faster than passive? Lmfao

 

[Johner2133451]

You missed the issue, He can't actually "rewrite" the future in a way where he suddenly can interact with IM 2, that would be a NLF.

I never say he will interact with Im2, I'm saying he will rewrite his physical body and incap

 

[AlexSamDen]

yeah he can incap rimurus physical body by rewriting rimuru

and incap counts as a win

Incaping physical body for a SL isn't an incap

 

[AlexSamDen]

I never say he will interact with Im2, I'm saying he will rewrite his physical body and incap

Incaping physical body for a SL isn't an incap

 

[Robo432343]

Incaping physical body for a SL isn't an incap

yes it is

it has always been that way...

 

[AlexSamDen]

Where did get this nonsensial idea. Even base knowledgable ones know that Time is type 1 concept.
He also absorbed ichibei's darkness which is rated as type 2, that's why I didn’t bring it.

Then link it

 

[Johner2133451]

While it's main effects are passive, to do something he still needs a thought, which would already give Rimuru more than enough time

Doesn't Rimuru still needs activation to think faster?

 

[AlexSamDen]

yes it is

it has always been that way...

Hmm..

incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

A SL still can harm him even without a physical body, so it's not an incap

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

yes it is

it has always been that way...

The issue is that nothing prevents Rimuru from just going straight to a Spiritual lifeform without his body...

 

[AlexSamDen]

Doesn't Rimuru still needs activation to think faster?

Great Sage is in that state passively and he will perform the main actions, including activating the amp for Rimuru

 

[Robo432343]

The issue is that nothing prevents Rimuru from just going straight to a Spiritual lifeform without his body...

almighty prevents that because its passive

rimuru going to a spiritual lifeform is not passive

so almighty will happen first

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Doesn't Rimuru still needs activation to think faster?

Yes

Great Sage is in that state passively and he will perform the main actions, including activating the amp for Rimuru

Going by the profile, Great Sage still needs to think to activate Hasten Thought. Sure, it works independently of Rimuru but its still something that needs to be activated.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Going by the profile, Great Sage still needs to think to activate Hasten Thought. Sure, it works independently of Rimuru but its still something that needs to be activated.

I hate dealing with outdated profiles, but Mind Accelerate is always active.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Going by the profile, Great Sage still needs to think to activate Hasten Thought. Sure, it works independently of Rimuru but its still something that needs to be activated.

Great Sage is constantly analyzing the information he has, the most effective method - using a branch of parallel processing with the amp. While it can be not passive, going by that assumption will be OOC

 

[Adam1396]

Then link it

Don't need to link something basic. Even rimuru has it.

I never say he will interact with Im2, I'm saying he will rewrite his physical body and incap

Yhwach should be able to interact with concept type 1 as for the reason mentioned above. He can interact with time.

I just looked into some stuff.
Seems like we can get reio candidates CM1, since they can rewrite the laws of the worlds. Even fullbringer can do that but on localized area. So that won't work.

As for senna she can get AE 1 (concept type 1/info 2 , since she is the collective memory of all the blanks)

Rimuru was so wanked, never bothered to look into his profile thoroughly. After giving a thorough look, it seems we can add a lot of things for bleach for similar reason rimuru got it or just remove it from him since a lot of them make less sense to me.

 

[Johner2133451]

I hate dealing with outdated profiles, but Mind Accelerate is always active.

If it's outdated, you need a CRT to update it or else this arg is useless

 

[Robo432343]

Yhwach should be able to interact with concept type 1 as for the reason mentioned above. He can interact with time.

interacting with time is not enough for cm 1

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I hate dealing with outdated profiles, but Mind Accelerate is always active.

Mind Accelerate is an Ultimate Skill (going by the profile), which is something that he only starts to have in the Demon Slime key, not the one used in the OP.

Great Sage is constantly analyzing the information he has, the most effective method - using a branch of parallel processing with the amp. While it can be not passive, going by that assumption will be OOC

It is constantly analyzing but it still needs to think to activate it. As far as I see, the profile says nothing about Great Sage always being on Haste Thought either.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Don't need to link something basic. Even rimuru has it.

From the profile.
I think WN Rimuru got CM2 by the time logic, so it's not always that

I just looked into some stuff.
Seems like we can get reio candidates CM1, since they can rewrite the laws of the worlds. Even fullbringer can do that but on localized area. So that won't work.

Laws of the world is Law manip, not CM

As for senna she can get AE 1 (concept type 1/info 2 , since she is the collective memory of all the blanks)

Rimuru was so wanked, never bothered to look into his profile thoroughly. After giving a thorough look, it seems we can add a lot of things for bleach for similar reason rimuru got it or just remove it from him since a lot of them make less sense to me.

The verse has to have a basis for such proposals, as I remember, Bleach verse doesn't have it, while Slime does.
But anyway, you can try doing whatever you want, currently Yhwach ain't doing a thing

 

[Adam1396]

interacting with time is not enough for cm 1

Time is concept type 1 was my point. And he can interact with it
Where did you see I claimed CM 1 for that?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Mind Accelerate is an Ultimate Skill (going by the profile), which is something that he only starts to have in the Demon Slime key, not the one used in the OP.

No? Mind Accelerate is an extra skill to Great sage(1k), Rapheal(1 Million), Ciel (100 Million)

Though otl calls that version of it "Hasten Thoughts"

• Hasten Thought: Boosts perception speed by a thousand times.

But yeah, this is an extreme mismatch. Can I request that you close this?

 

[Adam1396]

From the profile.
I think WN Rimuru got CM2 by the time logic, so it's not always that

Laws of the world is Law manip, not CM

The verse has to have a basis for such proposals, as I remember, Bleach verse doesn't have it, while Slime does.
But anyway, you can try doing whatever you want, currently Yhwach ain't doing a thing

I know well about tensura's setting. Don't worry about that.

It seems they don’t have any proper justification for CM 1. Time for another downgrade.

Yhwach one shots with his passives.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No? Mind Accelerate is an extra skill to Great sage(1k), Rapheal(1 Million), Ciel (100 Million)

Though otl calls that version of it "Hasten Thoughts"

The only mention of Mind Accelerate in the profile's NA&T was on the Ultimate Skill tabber

Either way, nothing in the profile says Hasten Thought is always active. If it's outdated make a CRT to fix it.

 

[Robo432343]

Time is concept type 1 was my point.

Its not bro... because time is not wholly independent from the reality it governs and it doesn't function as a pure, unchanging abstraction that reality merely participates in.

 

[AlexSamDen]

It is constantly analyzing but it still needs to think to activate it. As far as I see, the profile says nothing about Great Sage always being on Haste Thought either.

At least the Magic sense should have this even according to the profile, as the data from it is "constantly being analyzed". It's not only that, but I guess I will have to slim through the novel to quote it

 

[AlexSamDen]

It seems they don’t have any proper justification for CM 1. Time for another downgrade

They have. I guess you didn't read General Concepts page that well

 

[Mizuki67]

Rimuru needs to actively turn into a spiritual lifeform first (in this key), so Yhwach can interact with Rimuru here.

Y'all seem to miss the point contexually, sure he isn't SPL passively but there's the issue with great sage and issue with adaptation and resistance to basically everything yhwach will do, what cant rimuru resist here?, plus if it doesn't kill rimuru, he would resist it after analyzing, its there in his reactive evolution and forcefield creation explanation, rimuru can also access yhwach abilities, create barriers, negate yhwach abilities, etc. Lots of shit rimuru can do here

 

[Robo432343]

there is no proof rimuru can adapt to something like almighty

if rimuru had acausality 4 or resistance to fate manip or something then he probably wins but there is nothing

 

[Mizuki67]

there is no proof rimuru can adapt to something like almighty

if rimuru had acausality 4 or resistance to fate manip or something then he probably wins but there is nothing

I said everything else, tho, i guess rimuru can just leave a clone to face yhwach while bro hides in stomach where's time is still

 

[CodeCCLL]

Even base knowledgable ones know that Time is type 1 concept.

If we asked hundred random people, probably only a few new members would say that.

 

[Adam1396]

If we asked hundred random people, probably only a few new members would say that.

If you ask a doctor about engineering stuff, off course they won't be able to answer.

 

[CodeCCLL]

If you ask a doctor about engineering stuff, off course they won't be able to answer.

Ask literally any thread moderator on the wiki and not one of them will tell you that "time is a type 1 concept on the wiki by default".

 

[Mizuki67]

Sometimes time isn't even a concept

 

[CodeCCLL]

By the way, Yhwach is actually a character I like much more than Rimuru and honestly Yhwach should be winning this one. I'll give my opinions later.