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Shigaraki vs Dio
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question. if the general consensus is that the fight ends immediately frame 1 in the first timestop with shigaraki having no way to counter it or reliably landing a attack, how is this not a stomp / mismatch.
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MintyBoi1
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What can DIO even do? Shigaraki is far tougher and can regenerate even if he tries his blood/ice stuff. I doubt he’d destroy his head first go which is his only chance of killing Shigaraki unless he hangs midair. Even then Tomura has the better AOE and ranged attacks plus flight.
Muteki616
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Shigaraki the final big bad never got into contact with Todoroki's ice/fire manip?
also wouldn't shiggy just regen if this was the case?
i'm not understanding why time stop is the end all be all.
what's the follow up?
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Dio would by default assume he's some superhuman being like himself given how durable he is, and as such, that destroying the brain is his only kill method given it's the same for him and zombies.
Also if Dio tries the blood stuff, and we treat it like it actually is, it would work because Dio drains people's goddam life force through blood, which not only kills them due to the whole life force gone thing, turns them into his loyal minion, but also makes him stronger relative to the strength of the life energy drained.
And DIO has thought based time stop and flight, enabling him to dodge a lot of shit, Dio is acting first, Dio would know punching won't work. By then he would just, like, try everything else and see what works.
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Just saying, how is this not a mismatch/stomp with mftl+ speed and thought based timestop
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If time stop is thought-based, why does Dio likes to keep saying his signature sentence? Flex?
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Well, technically speaking speed is equalized down to Shig's who is FTL iirc.
But, being FTL still enables Dio to like, try a LOT of his more unconventional shit in his initial time stop once he throws his one punch and goes "ayo hol up?".
And it is a mismatch, look at the OP my dude.
Thou Shig has wincons so ig it depends on how bad you wanna say Dio shooting first is.
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Me personally, if 2 deku matches were claimed to be stomp matches in favor of deku stomping despite him fighting a guy who is moon level and the other guy who can one shot him with 1 tap while deku also being 2x weaker than him, then this is a whole stomp if he has nothing against timestop.
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He literally doesn't 90% of the time.
I excluded some I wasn't 100% sure on, like him killing Kakyoin is a bit vague (Manga has him say it but the show has the "THE WORLD" part be as the time stop activates, as in time stops already).
Diego times too.
Dio only ever starts announcing he can stop time after they figure it out and he doesn't need to hide it anymore, so, yes actually, it is a flex but one he's doing less to flex and more to go "btw you're gonna die" in a situation where hiding it no longer holds merit (Because don't forget, he was in fact hiding his ability, even killing subordinates that risked it). Even then, he doesn't even do that half the time.
Noncanon but this one is neat.
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Can Shigi even interact with Dio???
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Just a question: so the standard assumption is that DIO will immediately use all of his abilities in Part 1, even though he never does that in Part 3?
Like I understand giving the benefit of the doubt and it's a waste not to let DIO use his other vampire powers. But it seems surprising that he'd use his vampire abilities at all, at least within his first time-stop.
Like I understand giving the benefit of the doubt and it's a waste not to let DIO use his other vampire powers. But it seems surprising that he'd use his vampire abilities at all, at least within his first time-stop.
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Why would he not be able to?
Shigaraki is only shown to be highly resistant to heat.
Due to the various writing-related reasons, Shigaraki was only ever subjected to one ice attack and it was a brute force one than a freezing one.
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Excuse me.
Can Shigi interact wih The World?
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yes
Does Dio start with freezing in character?
cuz Shiggy can breathe on Dio and kill him. If Dio gets cocky in any capacity and takes any hit, Dio is dead
I know nothing about Jojo so idk for sure what he does tho
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Nope. Not as far as I can tell or how his profile shows it.
In theory, maybe he can interact with souls or spirits, but he has 0 feats for that. His Soul Manip all happened when someone else tries to interact with his own soul first.
Even then, I don't believe that confirms he can interact with Stands. Ghosts/spirits don't necessarily interact with Stands afaik.
The World is a non-factor here however, as far as I can tell, except for its time-stop ability. Shigaraki does not need to interact with it to kill DIO, and The World cannot harm Shigaraki. Hence, DIO's vampire powers are important wincon, and the time-stop allows him to use them.
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Because we're told explicitly he uses everything and anything to his advantage (hell the recent mag scan kinda goes hard on explaining how analytical he is). If punching doesn't work, which he 100% knows given he's gonna punch him and it'd feel like hitting a wall, he's just gonna use his vampire stuff.
We've been told the only reason Dio didn't use his vampire stuff in fights in Part 3, is simply because they wouldn't have done anything, he can't freeze a Stand, eyebeams get blocked casually (he actually does use eye beams in the sound drama, and Plat just knocks it away and Dio goes "yep, I figured that wouldn't work"), etc.
Plus like, he does use his vampire shit, life drain to heal wounds and stat amp, flesh buds he uses as a lead against multiple dudes, etc. He just doesn't use the shit that literally wouldn't do anything given the situation.
Contrary to popular belief, Dio's ass isn't dumb. He's super arrogant, not dumb, he doesn't take risks unless he has extensive prior knowledge and knows he can afford to, the instant there's a slight risk of danger he's super anal and cautious.
Dio doesn't need to start with freezing, he has time stop, he gets basically free full on testing of shit.
He can't, shit's layered, but he can interact with DIO just fine.
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Why are people voting as if this isn't a stomp for Dio?
There's nothing Tomura can do to stop Dio from using his thought based Time Stop, which is when Tomura dies via hax.
Dio's chance of victory here are 100%. Not unless someone can explain what chance Tomura has to take out Dio before he stops time.
There's nothing Tomura can do to stop Dio from using his thought based Time Stop, which is when Tomura dies via hax.
Dio's chance of victory here are 100%. Not unless someone can explain what chance Tomura has to take out Dio before he stops time.
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This match not being a stomp is predicated on DIO fumbling the first period of time-stop by not using his other abilities which is presumed to kill Shigaraki.
Which doesn't seem to be the case, as the chances of that happening is close to zero, if not outright nil, as presented in this thread.
Which doesn't seem to be the case, as the chances of that happening is close to zero, if not outright nil, as presented in this thread.
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it's just cuz there's a chance Dio will get cocky and get hit between time stops
but that chance is nearly nonexistent so Dio still wins
it prob is a stomp ngl
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Voting DIO, assuming this isn't another DIO timestop stomp lol.
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It was already declared as a mismatch a while back. Don’t know why this kept getting bumped.
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Robo moment.
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