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Genshin Impact upgrade God Tier (STAFF VOTES NEEDED)

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PedjaTarzan said:
you linked wrong thread for blackhole (link downgrade one) and for calc method everything except 30km is usable as long as op of calc proves it usable
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There's two threads, the first one is where it was accepted and it was your thread (the second link I gave) and no one scales from it. The second part (which is the first link) is the downgrade one where blackhole calcs on genshin aren't usable.
 
Voidnether said:
4-C is flawed, the scaling that comes from this is also flawed since pretty sure it was discussed in the earlier threads that no one would scale anyways https://vsbattles.com/threads/gensh...ingers-skirk-wanderer-etc.179536/post-7090994
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Genshin impact BlackHole feat upgrade?

This is going to be the most controversal upgrade in my life for now (god help me) Hoyoverse games have been eating too good (Hi3 is 1-B and hsr is 4-A and 1-B with aeons) But im going to feed the middle child and this middle child is known as Genshin Impact INTRODUCTION This entire upgrade is...
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High 6-A is flawed in the calculations given the mountain shown shouldn't be 30 kilometers above sea level (We literally have 30 kilometers stuff only exclusive to Dragonspine which is stated to be the highest mountain) and the plasma stuff given what Musou no Hitotachi does is ionizing Orobashi's blood which shouldn't include the area like the mountain rocks, etc
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So pretty much entire OP is bunk, huh
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
So pretty much entire OP is bunk, huh
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No it isn't

Even if eye of maelstrom is not blackhole it doesn't change the fact that it is heavy enough to the point that light isn't escaping, meaning there is no singularity but mass is still there


Also dragonspine is not the tallest mountain, mt. Pilos is, and I used same method to calculate depth the one used to calculate height in that calc
 
OmniScalator said:
No it isn't

Even if eye of maelstrom is not blackhole it doesn't change the fact that it is heavy enough to the point that light isn't escaping, meaning there is no singularity but mass is still there
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No ues =no scaling, and eyebof maelstrom not being BH nukes entire 4-C ap lmao
 
OmniScalator said:
No it isn't

Even if eye of maelstrom is not blackhole it doesn't change the fact that it is heavy enough to the point that light isn't escaping, meaning there is no singularity but mass is still there


Also dragonspine is not the tallest mountain, mt. Pilos is, and I used same method to calculate depth the one used to calculate height in that calc
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Blackhole related feats being rejected means all of them are unusable except if there's a dedicated argument why it's consistent, that's still a blackhole characteristics so yeah..

But the main reference comes from Dragonspine for Mt. Pilos since Dragonspine was the mountain that was shown in-game to be the highest with the in-game meter of 3776 meters (Mt. Fuji basically), and shouldn't they both be relative? Either way it should be enough though that the 30 kilometers there for High 6-A isn't justifiable
 
Voidnether said:
Blackhole related feats being rejected means all of them are unusable except if there's a dedicated argument why it's consistent, that's still a blackhole characteristics so yeah..
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Try explain , why its rejected? it is clearly stated that it is able to capture light, then what makes it rejected, is there anything other than a black hole that is able to capture light? is it because it can be touched? i think, it is not an antifeat, in fact it will be a resistance feat for skirk
Voidnether said:
But the main reference comes from Dragonspine for Mt. Pilos since Dragonspine was the mountain that was shown in-game to be the highest with the in-game meter of 3776 meters (Mt. Fuji basically), and shouldn't they both be relative? Either way it should be enough though that the 30 kilometers there for High 6-A isn't justifiable
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In my opinion, his calculations are correct, he applies consistent pixel scaling as I explained earlier, what makes you doubt is the numbers that sound unreasonable, but pixel scaling proves it is true.
Furina003 said:
It really does have an impact because the vertical is also reduced, if you compare the view from above. 15px get 18km

and when calculating the height of the cliff he used this point of view, it uses the same position when doing pixel scaling here, which the viewpoint from above gets 15px = 18km, which means when using the front view angle, it has the same size, which is 18km with the number of pixels being 133px, from here we can use the pixel scaling calculation between 133px and 216px. because the actual distance of 133px is 18150 meters, we can calculate it by:
133px/18150 = 216px / X px
133X = 3920400
X = 3920400/133
X = 29476,69m
so there is nothing wrong with this calculation, because it uses consistent pixel scaling where 15px from the top POV = 133px from the front POV with a real size length of 18.15km, this is the basis for finding the height with the same point so that the pixel scaling is consistent, namely if 133px is 18150m then 216px is 29476 meters. so i think this calculation is correct, because I have checked it myself.
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This thread is quite long at this point, so I'm assuming there's some contention outside of the OP.

Would someone mind summarizing the debate which has happened here so far?
 
FinePoint said:
This thread is quite long at this point, so I'm assuming there's some contention outside of the OP.

Would someone mind summarizing the debate which has happened here so far?
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There are 2 upgrades here, there are tier 4c and tier h6A.

The first tier 4c is based on a skill that can create and lift a black hole.

The opposition says this is not a real black hole, while the OP describes this as a black hole because there is a description that explains that it can capture light, moreover I think this black hole was created because of the density manipulation effect where the skill compresses the narwhal's body so that it creates a black hole This is in accordance with the existing density manipulation terminology, where density manipulation can sometimes create a black hole.

The second is tier H6A, the dissenting party said that the height of an island above sea level of 30km is very unreasonable. The rebuttal to this is that the pixel scaling that was done was correct, according to what was explained previously.
Furina003 said:
It really does have an impact because the vertical is also reduced, if you compare the view from above. 15px get 18km

and when calculating the height of the cliff he used this point of view, it uses the same position when doing pixel scaling here, which the viewpoint from above gets 15px = 18km, which means when using the front view angle, it has the same size, which is 18km with the number of pixels being 133px, from here we can use the pixel scaling calculation between 133px and 216px. because the actual distance of 133px is 18150 meters, we can calculate it by:
133px/18150 = 216px / X px
133X = 3920400
X = 3920400/133
X = 29476,69m
so there is nothing wrong with this calculation, because it uses consistent pixel scaling where 15px from the top POV = 133px from the front POV with a real size length of 18.15km, this is the basis for finding the height with the same point so that the pixel scaling is consistent, namely if 133px is 18150m then 216px is 29476 meters. so i think this calculation is correct, because I have checked it myself.

and the problem of buildings and others, it is not the natural geography of the genshin world but it is additional furniture, just like the characters in the game that will get a 1:1 scale
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Maybe this is all I know, if there are any shortcomings either in the rebuttal or defense of the OP, please someone add it
 
Furina003 said:
The opposition says this is not a real black hole, while the OP describes this as a black hole because there is a description that explains that it can capture light, moreover I think this black hole was created because of the density manipulation effect where the skill compresses the narwhal's body so that it creates a black hole This is in accordance with the existing density manipulation terminology, where density manipulation can sometimes create a black hole.
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Why, specifically, do they not think it's a real black hole?
 
Furina003 said:
Try explain , why its rejected? it is clearly stated that it is able to capture light, then what makes it rejected, is there anything other than a black hole that is able to capture light? is it because it can be touched? i think, it is not an antifeat, in fact it will be a resistance feat for skirk

In my opinion, his calculations are correct, he applies consistent pixel scaling as I explained earlier, what makes you doubt is the numbers that sound unreasonable, but pixel scaling proves it is true.
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I'm still asking him about it
FinePoint said:
Why, specifically, do they not think it's a real black hole?
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OmniScalator said:
Ap is due to mass not due to blackhole, so no it doesn't nuke
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yeah and how will you put 4-C ap into physicals if abyss isnt part of ues?
FinePoint said:
This thread is quite long at this point, so I'm assuming there's some contention outside of the OP.

Would someone mind summarizing the debate which has happened here so far?
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PedjaTarzan said:
OP trying to scale Raiden Shogun to Skirk's 4-C by claiming Skirk and Neuvi are equals while Raiden is above Neuvillette.
Main issue here is that he claims that Raiden is superior than Makoto with Authoirty and Gnosis while the issue here is that authority archon possesses are only part of the actual full elemental authority dragon sovereign possesed.
He actually even brings up the fact Neuvilette got far stronger upon obtaining his authority which completely counters his own argument for claiming Raiden>Neuvilette as the person shes superior is not only featless in combat but also just had part of elemental authority(Makoto) which makes no sense to argue it puts her above someone who is with his full elemental authority while verbatim stated that he can deal with archons and rivals entire human realm.
Lastly the greatest issue here that completely prevents this scaling from happening is the fact skirk's blackhole comes from abyssal energy which currently doesnt fit within UES standards nor that there is any proof of abysal energy being UES as op didnt even bring that up
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Giannysmag said:
To add some more stuff on this so we can move on from this arguement already. Neuvi is stated repeatedly to be a fully fledged Sovereign, with the previous Sovereigns having fought a 40 year war against the Primordial One and the 4 Shades (albeit they lost in the end). The Shades individually have power that surpasses that of any Archon and Istaroth is even refered to as a higher power by Ei. The Sovereigns are also stated to be the the most powerful elemental forces putting them above other elemental Dragons like Dvalin, who has power that rivals the Gods of old and could fight against Durin alongside a prime Barbatos, and Azhdaha who is at the very least comparable to a prime Morax while severely eroded. Kukulkan also says that the Archons are nothing compared to the sky-war, refring to the war between the Dragons and the Heavenly Principles.
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these are summaries against OP scalings and for 4-C trough blackhole, basically this thread explained everything
 
OmniScalator said:
Tbh genshin authors don't give a damn about feats, so it is nightmare for powerscalers who like genshin.
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god characters have plenty of feats/statements
hell you can put archons into tier 5 with the method only i know 🤫/j
problem is allogene since last feat above building level was fking Shenhe back in 2.4 so yeah allogenes are cooked in scaling
 
Please don’t go off topic 🙏


P.S I don’t give a damn about powerscaling Genshin or whatsoever but High 6-A and not to mention 4-C Genshin is kinda crazy
 
you can put me as agree with proposed calc
we can deal with the calc issues in next thread
and put me as disagree with 4-C and its chainscaling
 
Put me disagree with 4C. Idk bout calc but I think disagreeing side makes more sense to me
 
Puppet43 said:
And i can make god tiers into multiversal with FTL speeds
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Puppet43 said:
Why do i feel the "tier 2" goes indirectly to me?
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2-3 page wasted only for non logical sense argument about archon above sovereign? Damn that's insane

as expected from raiden glazer
 
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