Genshin Impact upgrade God Tier (STAFF VOTES NEEDED)

[OmniScalator]

So recently my 2 genshin calcs got accepted of Tiers H6-A and 4-C their overview is below-

• Raiden Cuts Yashiori Island and her Musou No Hitotachi Converts It into Plasma (H6-A)-
  I did this calculation because some wrong assumptions were made in previous calculation due to lack of some information or information being hidden in hard to notice descriptions of items.
  
  as we know game worlds geographies are downscaled due to impossibility of depicting life-size geography, in previous Calculation AvengerShows had to use The Wrong distance reference to get lore size because of lack of anything to reference the scale of map from, at that time they used what keqing read from a book which talks about distance to guili but it doesn't talk about where that distance is measured from, which makes it inaccurate., here i will use the more specific statement from xingqiu, here he talks about that he walks through Qiongji 100 miles to guili (which is inside Qiongji and there is only one way to reach there).
  
  Also, that calculation assumed the Rock to melt because they might not have read the description of this material where it states that it converted orobaxi into Plasma, and i don't blame them as this important lore is hidden in an hard to notice item's description so it was hard to notice even for me and i stumbled across it by chance myself.
  
  
  
• Skirk "Eye of Maelstorm" feat (4-C)-
  EoM(Eye of Maelstorm) is so said to be so heavy that even light can not escape it here is proof.
  and since EoM is spherical and so heavy that light can not escape it so I put escape velocity equal to speed of light, and used this formula. And mass of EoM will be equal to mass of whale since EoM is just Narwhal whale in compressed form.

So i propose to upgrade Raiden Yashiori Island feat to 32.5 petatons as calculated and via scaling to skirk upgrade god tier characters to 4-C.

Skirk acknowledged Neuvillete as Equal
And when Neuvillete got his Authority Back his Power Amped up significantly
But even when Ei wasn't Archon Ei was still stronger than Makoto (Authority+Gnosis)

which means Ei > Neuvillete

and since Skirk said Neuvillete is her Equal, so Every God Tier Character can be Chainscaled to Skirk's Feat of 4-C

Some frequeantly asked questions and arguments -
Q1 Eye of Maelstorm is not a blackhole
Ans. it is getting lifted up and thrown away which means it doesn't have singularity so it is not a true blackhole, it being a blackhole was never claimed in CRT tho and never used anywhere in this CRT.

Q2 Eye of Maelstorm calculation Can't be used due to it not being Blackhole
Ans. It not being a blackhole have no effect on this calc, instead this calc was simply possible because it do NOT have singularity, because you can not calculate GBE for singularity, and in this calculation we were able to calculate GBE precisely because it was getting thrown away and getting lifted. Note that not having singularity doesn't mean it doesn't have enough mass to trap light, which is blatantly stated here.

Q3 in H6-A calc 30Km depth is absurd
Ans. First of all that island is described as mountainous, secondly it is not absurd if you see this statement-

Sometime in the ancient past, the mountains rose higher than the skies, and the earth was larger than heaven's dome. But one day, the mirror shattered, and the oceans arose. In these legends, this caused the court of the primeval sakura to become sundered from the other islands.

This statements simply proves that teyvat's geography is indeed something akin to "One Piece"-like

Q4 Only Ichor was stated to be converted to plasma, why have you calculated for rock?
Ans. Well, since converting anything to plasma you need to Ionize elements, It requires certain amount of energy for each element, Ichor is mainly made up of carbon, hydrogen and Oxygen who require more energy to get ionized than elements of rock which are mainly Silicon and Oxygen, and since we know that Musoujin Gorge is formed due to same slash which converted Ichor into plasma, it logically follows that Rock was converted to Plasma too.


Agree: @Furina003, @PedjaTarzan (Yashiori island calc), @FinePoint, @LoudestProcedure (H6A), @Mommyleona (H6A)
Disagree: @PedjaTarzan (4-C), @Giannysmag , @Sahlwrld , @Shey , @Voidnether , @Puppet43 , @Weaver261 , @TWILIGHT-OP, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @LoudestProcedure (4-C)
Neutral: @ZENZUYA (4-C)

Note: If i have left out anyone's vote by mistake please tell me

 

[PedjaTarzan]

not a single argument about why should shogun and others scale to skirk…interesting

 

[Puppet43]

• Not a single argument of why Ei > Neuvi Authority
• The goddamn statment comes from a poetry event, there nothing to suggest it wasnt just Flowery Language, when we have actual statments of that same path being like 100 km
• Eye of Maelstorm (From either Narwhal or Skirk) has been proved countless time not to be a real Black Hole, even do it works like one

Disagree for this reasons above

 

[OmniScalator]

• Not a single argument of why Ei > Neuvi Authority
• The goddamn statment comes from a poetry event, there nothing to suggest it wasnt just Flowery Language, when we have actual statments of that same path being like 100 km
• Eye of Maelstorm (From either Narwhal or Skirk) has been proved countless time not to be a real Black Hole, even do it works like one

Disagree for this reasons above

This just means you haven't read calc

 

[Furina003]

so what is being proposed here?
i think we would be fine with h6A upgrades for all archons.

and for 4c, i actually have the same thoughts as OP, since the archons also hold elemental authority

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Skirk acknowledged Neuvillete as Equal

Only because he defeated narwhal without abyssal power

And when Neuvillete got his Authority Back his Power Amped up significantly

Ok? We know that and thats how he was able to defeat narwhal (funny how he tore a hole trough his belly even without authority)

But even when Ei wasn't Archon Ei was still stronger than Makoto (Authority+Gnosis)

which means Ei > Neuvillete

This doesnt make sense, like we know archons hold part of dragons authority but that doesnt make Ei>Neuvi especially not Authority restored
Gnosis isnt even that big of a power up and she never needed one so that doesnt hold much ground
Lastly makoto is not a fighter so she wont be as strong as actual archons who are oriented in combat especially those who actually slayed other gods

and since Skirk said Neuvillete is her Equal, so Every God Tier Character can be Chainscaled to Skirk's Feat of 4-C:

Disagree and i disagree with 4-C scaling to physicals unless theres genuine proof abyss energy is UES
None of this proves Skirk=Neuvi and none of this proves Ei>Neuvilette
High 6-A on the other hand is agree if there isnt anything that nullifies the calc being used, and if what pupet said is true you cn still recalc it and use other value which will prolly still be somewhere into 6-A due to plasma shit

 

[Voidnether]

4-C being accepted there has some issues but DMUA doesn't seem to mind it, on paper if that blackhole isn't faulty then it COULD be used. However, there's a thread that makes all blackhole related threads on genshin to be unusable and removed (DontTalkDT & Bambu agreed to it) back then iirc. High 6-A is fine. Disagree with 4-C.

 

[MSahla]

But even when Ei wasn't Archon Ei was still stronger than Makoto (Authority+Gnosis)

which means Ei > Neuvillete

I have to disagree with this reason because Makoto is not a fighter like the other Archons, its just the same as like you think Ei and Nahida is equal just because they have elemental authority.

they both do have elemental authority but individually stats like strength is not the same, Like nahida literally can't do anything infront of dottore or even Scaramouche, so thats just mean you also saying Dottore > Archons or even Neuvillette just because Dottore have better strenght than an Archon who have Elemental Authority.

Though, I agree with High 6-A for the Archons.

 

[Furina003]

they both do have elemental authority but individually stats like strength is not the same, Like nahida literally can't do anything infront of dottore or even Scaramouche, so thats just mean you also saying Dottore > Archons or even Neuvillette just because Dottore have better strenght than an Archon who have Elemental Authority.

Nahida is not included in the ranks of the strongest archons like Ei, Morax or Mavuika. and Dotore is actually equal to the gods, because he is ranked 2nd among the Harbingers. actually we also don't have any real evidence that Neuvillette is stronger than the Archon, but we have a lot of evidence that the Archon can compete with the Dragon Sovereigns, for example, Egeria who replaced the Hydro Sovereign as the primordial heart, moreover the Archon was created by the principle of heaven to maintain its authority over the human world

 

[Voidnether]

Nahida is not included in the ranks of the strongest archons like Ei, Morax or Mavuika. and Dotore is actually equal to the gods, because he is ranked 2nd among the Harbingers. actually we also don't have any real evidence that Neuvillette is stronger than the Archon, but we have a lot of evidence that the Archon can compete with the Dragon Sovereigns, for example, Egeria who replaced the Hydro Sovereign as the primordial heart, moreover the Archon was created by the principle of heaven to maintain its authority over the human world

Dottore never fought an archon physically by the way, with this logic Diluc would be High 6-A

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nahida is not included in the ranks of the strongest archons like Ei, Morax or Mavuika. and Dotore is actually equal to the gods, because he is ranked 2nd among the Harbingers. actually we also don't have any real evidence that Neuvillette is stronger than the Archon.

Archon powers litteraly comes from part of dragon sovereigns authority theres a reason why neuvilette got his authority restored right after focalors has died and gave her power to him, it was HIS power stolen by Celestia and given to archons

 

[Furina003]

Archon powers litteraly comes from part of dragon sovereigns authority theres a reason why neuvilette got his authority restored right after focalors has died and gave her power to him, it was HIS power stolen by Celestia and given to archons

Part of authority? try to give it to me, what I remember is part of power not part of authority. Because authority is part of power dragon.

if you read neuvillette's profile, it is explained that nevillette holds one of the 7 authorities, why? because the other 6 authorities are still with the archon

 

[OmniScalator]

Archon powers litteraly comes from part of dragon sovereigns authority theres a reason why neuvilette got his authority restored right after focalors has died and gave her power to him, it was HIS power stolen by Celestia and given to archons

Authority is not all the powers archon have

For example even when Ei didn't had neither Authority nor gnosis she was still superior to makoto, meaning her personal strength exceeds power of Authority and gnosis, while I can't give such facts for zhongli too, I believe he might also be similar case.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Authority is not all the powers archon have

For example even when Ei didn't had neither Authority nor gnosis she was still superior to makoto, meaning her personal strength exceeds power of Authority and gnosis, while I can't give such facts for zhongli too, I believe he might also be similar case.

Then Shogun is just surpassing part of electro authority makoto has idk how did you conclude that puts her above Neuvi (esp full authority one), but then again you have Rukhadevata and Focalors with litteraly 0 combat feats or any feat related to power at all (destroying divine throne was part of her plan)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Part of authority? try to give it to me, what I remember is part of power not part of authority. Because authority is part of power dragon.

if you read neuvillette's profile, it is explained that nevillette holds one of the 7 authorities, why? because the other 6 authorities are still with the archon

you answered yourself bro he holds ONE of the 7 authorities aka HYDRO authority that he HAS gained from focalors

 

[Furina003]

you answered yourself bro he holds ONE of the 7 authorities aka HYDRO authority that he HAS gained from focalors

yes neuvillette did get his authority back, because fokalors give his authority back, so does this prove neuvillette is stronger than archon? i don't think so

 

[OmniScalator]

you answered yourself bro he holds ONE of the 7 authorities aka HYDRO authority that he HAS gained from focalors

You are misinterpreting furina's point

What furina meant to say was that 1 dragon only have one Authority and same with archon, so saying it is just "part" is wrong

 

[PedjaTarzan]

You are misinterpreting furina's point

What furina meant to say was that 1 dragon only have one Authority and same with archon, so saying it is just "part" is wrong

its not when their one part was litteraly stolen by celestia (also helps with archons being low 5-B by splitting sovereigns 5B value in half mwahahah)

 

[OmniScalator]

its not when their one part was litteraly stolen by celestia (also helps with archons being low 5-B by splitting sovereigns 5B value in half mwahahah)

It is indeed one part

Atleast Neuvillette's character story 5 says it

 

[Voidnether]

yes neuvillette did get his authority back, because fokalors give his authority back, so does this prove neuvillette is stronger than archon? i don't think so

Archons are 6-B, Sovereigns are 5-B
Obviously he's stronger, archons are fodders

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It is indeed one part

Atleast Neuvillette's character story 5 says it

Then wtf is argument then, you just once again proved archons have part of dragons authority so its litteraly impossible to put Ei>Neuvi

 

[OmniScalator]

Then wtf is argument then, you just once again proved archons have part of dragons authority so its litteraly impossible to put Ei>Neuvi

Just lemme clear up one thing

When I say part of authority I mean part of seven authorities that all the dragons possessed combined, so each dragon also have one part of authority and same each archon also have one part, part of all 7 authorities.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Just lemme clear up one thing

When I say part of authority I mean part of seven authorities that all the dragons possessed combined, so each dragon also have one part of authority and same each archon also have one part, part of all 7 authorities.

what do you mean by combined? why would you combine all 7 elemental authorities int one when each dragan and archon have one part of one elemental authority respectfully

 

[OmniScalator]

what do you mean by combined? why would you combine all 7 elemental authorities int one when each dragan and archon have one part of one elemental authority respectfully

Because in Neuvillette's character story it is mentioned like that.

So I thought it is easier.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Because in Neuvillette's character story it is mentioned like that.

So I thought it is easier.

give me the scan first i wanna read it.

 

[Puppet43]

don't have any real evidence that Neuvillette is stronger than the Archon

• Neuvi having his old power backs (Mind you she is talking about sovereing power, the same that 7v5 the shades and PO)
• And bro being stated superior to Gods

Egeria who replaced the Hydro Sovereign as the primordial heart

Oh yeah, because replacing someone's job = im stronger than him, makes sense (Absoluty no)

When I say part of authority I mean part of seven authorities that all the dragons possessed combined, so each dragon also have one part of authority and same each archon also have one part, part of all 7 authorities.

No, that's not how it works. Each gnosis has the authority of the same dragon, Hydro Gnosis = Hydro Authority; Electro Gnosis = Electro Authority and so on. Focalors giving her power is litterally giving Neuvi his entire powers.

This just means you haven't read calc

I have read it, the calc itself it good, you just oversize the map with a Flowery Language text

 

[Puppet43]

give me the scan first i wanna read it.

Omni bassicly thinks that each dragons needs to collect the Authority from each gnosis, as if they were sukuna fingers

 

[PedjaTarzan]

the moment puppet starts spitting fax ur fried gro

 

[Puppet43]

the moment puppet starts spitting fax ur fried gro

@Giannysmag injected me with a lot of Copium during a lobotomy, so i would defend Neuvi

 

[Voidnether]

@Giannysmag injected me with a lot of Copium during a lobotomy, so i would defend Neuvi

Defending vs glazing are both two different things

 

[Furina003]

• Neuvi having his old power backs (Mind you she is talking about sovereing power, the same that 7v5 the shades and PO)
• And bro being stated superior to Gods

Oh yeah, because replacing someone's job = im stronger than him, makes sense (Absoluty no)

Each authority user has different powers, Neuvillette is not a dragon that fights against Shades, moreover, the Sovereign has never defeated a Shade so there is no difference with the Archon

No, that's not how it works. Each gnosis has the authority of the same dragon, Hydro Gnosis = Hydro Authority; Electro Gnosis = Electro Authority and so on. Focalors giving her power is litterally giving Neuvi his entire powers.

gnosis is different from authority, Ei no longer holds gnosis but neuvillettr still says she holds electro authority

 

[Furina003]

Archons are 6-B, Sovereigns are 5-B
Obviously he's stronger, archons are fodders

?? your statement doesn't proved anything here

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Each authority user has different powers, Neuvillette is not a dragon that fights against Shades, moreover, the Sovereign has never defeated a Shade so there is no difference with the Archon

gnosis is different from authority, Ei no longer holds gnosis but neuvillettr still says she holds electro authority

You mean Focalors no longer holds gnosis (shes dead) and neuvillette still has hydro authority (cuz he got it back after she died)
i dont know what you are trying to prove whatsoever but given that you still contradict yourself by saying both archons and non authority restored dragons hold part of the authority for their respective element there just isnt any way to prove Ei>Neuvi and this chainscale falls apart

 

[Puppet43]

Each authority user has different powers

No, litterally neuvi says "it grants me overall manipulation over the element"

Neuvillette is not a dragon that fights against Shades

Never said that, just that he has the power comparable to his old self, the one that fought Shades

Ei no longer holds gnosis but neuvillettr still says he holds electro authority

You mean she right?

 

[Furina003]

• And bro being stated superior to Gods

where is this from? give me the source. because it uses google translate.

moreover god ≠ archon, archon has 1 level above god, so we have to understand who the word "god" refers to? harvia is also god, heavenly principles is also god, and archon also god

 

[OmniScalator]

No, that's not how it works. Each gnosis has the authority of the same dragon, Hydro Gnosis = Hydro Authority; Electro Gnosis = Electro Authority and so on. Focalors giving her power is litterally giving Neuvi his entire powers.

First of all gnosis don't contain authority, throne does like furina said

Also I never said what you understood

What I said is exactly taken from Neuvillette's character story 5

Neuvillette/Profile

You wouldn't exactly describe the Iudex of Fontaine as "approachable." It's hard to say whether it's just in his nature, or because he has secrets to hide. The Chief Justice of Fontaine, known as the Iudex, is renowned for his unassailable impartiality. Someday, when they return, their true...

genshin-impact.fandom.com

 

[PedjaTarzan]

First of all gnosis don't contain authority, throne does like furina said

Also I never said what you understood

What I said is exactly taken from Neuvillette's character story 5

Neuvillette/Profile

You wouldn't exactly describe the Iudex of Fontaine as "approachable." It's hard to say whether it's just in his nature, or because he has secrets to hide. The Chief Justice of Fontaine, known as the Iudex, is renowned for his unassailable impartiality. Someday, when they return, their true...

genshin-impact.fandom.com

I think there may be a grammar issue, i dont think "Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm." makes much sense without context, the thing here is that he got Authority of the one of the Seven in context of Archons because archons are also called The Seven so he only got 1/7 Authorities by that statement. However that doesnt mean he can have other 6 authorities as they are only reserved for other 6 Dragon Sovereigns so you have mistakenly assumed one Dragon can take 7 different authorities which doesnt make sense since the purpose of 7 dragon sovereigns existing would be redudant

 

[Furina003]

No, litterally neuvi says "it grants me overall manipulation over the element"

yes, because he get his power again, form focalors

Never said that, just that he has the power comparable to his old self, the one that fought Shades

Neuvillette is not a dragon that fights the four shades, he is only a successor, like Little Saurian who wants to continue the throne of Xiuhcoalt

You mean she right?

Yeah i mean she (raiden ei)

 

[Voidnether]

?? your statement doesn't proved anything here

It shows that sovereigns are way above archons and they're not comparable whatsoever given the tier, what part do you genuinely think it doesn't prove anything at all

 

[Weaver261]

Count me as disagree. This is way too speculative and vauge to give such a huge tier jump. I suggest we wait for better confirmations for solid rating.