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Kawaki also absorbed Shikamaru's shadows proving it's chakra-made. Might be a retcon in Boruto.
Or it could just be that the chakra ratio is much higher than the shadow itself.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Or it could just be that the chakra ratio is much higher than the shadow itself.
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Reminds me somewhat of the Connections Ultimate (And he does know the Jutsu as he uses it to Block Amaterastu).
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Yamato (One Piece) vs Sarada
Sarada is 6-B, up to 6-A and Yamato is 6-B up to 6-A, speed is equalized and both have prior knowledge Sarada has a 1.8x A.P advantage against Base Yamato, but against Transformed Yamato they are at a 1.4x disadvatange even with Chidori Yamato: Sarada: Incon:
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Momo woulda hit the Gokage with some "Do you want these clones to use Molten Monkey or not?"
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Fair enough honestly.
Shadow Jutsu kinda just work however the author wants it to after Naruto
I still think Momo can absorb Kirin, or moreso the chakra guiding it but then that means the lightning will just strike anyway since it's gotten that close already so its prolly not a good result either way huh
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Agreed.
I remember in the Boruto movie novel when Momo eats Kinshiki and transforms.
They mention how he started absorbing chakra from all around him, so much so that he was absorbing chakra from beyond his parallel dimension all the way to Naruto's Earth. Threatening enough that it could drain all chakra from the planet.
His range is legit insane in his Fused form
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Shame they limited his potential in the manga. Dude felt legit in the novel.
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Yh the novel made sure to show these guys were legit.
Momo wasn’t just running away, he was a primarily long range fighter who didn’t like running straight hands. Even so they explicitly say that he’s dodging and parrying Darui and Gaara perfectly without showing any openings before Naruto joins in and tips the scales.
Kinshiki too is only defeated after taking a chidori and then getting hit by Chojuro’s technique that destroyed his chakra network which also affected all the organs near them. He’s then sealed and after using all his strength and chakra to break out, Kurotsuchi manages to hit all his vitals with kunai as she’s getting knocked down.
Its real impressive from everyone involved honestly.
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1. Fused Momoshiki vs. Rinnegan Sasuke
Fused Momoshiki tanked a direct strike from 3-tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke.
2. Borushiki
Even in a low chakra state, Borushiki managed to tank a strike from a fatigued Rinnegone Sasuke.
3. Chidori Stream Durability
Tanked a Chidori Stream, which likely has some degree of durability negation—again, while low on chakra.
4. Strategic Withdrawal, Not Weakness
Momoshiki became cautious not because Sasuke was overwhelming him, but because Sasuke caught on and began pressuring him with repeated jutsu. And while absorption is usually an option, he couldn’t absorb attacks in Borushiki form, doing so would restore Boruto’s chakra and risk losing control over the body. Also, he can't keep tanking this jutsu head on for obvious reasons
5. Fused Momoshiki’s
Both at full power using their chakra to the max Fused Momoshiki was overpowering Naruto, until Sasuke joined the fight. In all non-manga sources (movie, novel, games, anime), Fused Momo is portrayed as superior to Naruto or Sasuke individually. Sasuke even uses EMS in all these sources. Only together were they able to defeat him, just like they had to team up against V1 Jigen and even forced him to enter V2, who had crazy hax abilities like size manipulation by the way.
Now the real question is:
Can Borushiki use Golem?
Fused Momoshiki tanked a direct strike from 3-tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke.
2. Borushiki
Even in a low chakra state, Borushiki managed to tank a strike from a fatigued Rinnegone Sasuke.
3. Chidori Stream Durability
Tanked a Chidori Stream, which likely has some degree of durability negation—again, while low on chakra.
4. Strategic Withdrawal, Not Weakness
Momoshiki became cautious not because Sasuke was overwhelming him, but because Sasuke caught on and began pressuring him with repeated jutsu. And while absorption is usually an option, he couldn’t absorb attacks in Borushiki form, doing so would restore Boruto’s chakra and risk losing control over the body. Also, he can't keep tanking this jutsu head on for obvious reasons
5. Fused Momoshiki’s
Both at full power using their chakra to the max Fused Momoshiki was overpowering Naruto, until Sasuke joined the fight. In all non-manga sources (movie, novel, games, anime), Fused Momo is portrayed as superior to Naruto or Sasuke individually. Sasuke even uses EMS in all these sources. Only together were they able to defeat him, just like they had to team up against V1 Jigen and even forced him to enter V2, who had crazy hax abilities like size manipulation by the way.
Now the real question is:
Can Borushiki use Golem?
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The manga version of the fight has too much contradiction it is crazy.
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I just realised something. Code's statement about surpassing jigen is for when his karma was just placed on him and interacted with his body. That means Amado is talking about an 8 to 10 ISH year old kid code.
Not only do you just get stronger with age but he also got trained by jigen after just like kawaki. Code is much stronger than I thought
Not only do you just get stronger with age but he also got trained by jigen after just like kawaki. Code is much stronger than I thought
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I'm so excited for Borushiki in TBV
He NEEDS to show out when he finally appears
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Now that y'all mention it,
Outlier. The Far Stronger Jigen has to block the same strike from 3TM Sasuke with rods.
False, you cut up the scene with the bottom scan. The sword didn't even hit him in this scan, as denoted by the SFX, "FWUP", which is expressing movement. As shown, Sasuke's sword is coming down towards him and it shows Momoshiki noticing the strike incoming. The bottom scan you posted is Momoshiki blocking the strike with the Kunai (Sans for full context: Page 1 | page 2)
He doesn't tank it, the literal scene is him evading the attack, which is why he jumped away from Sasuke. It makes no sense for him to have moved away from Sasuke, ask if he's trying to kill Boruto and then later say this about Sasuke, if he's face tanking his Jutsu w/o issue and tanking his strikes w/o issue.
Your interpretation of these scenes is nonsensical and blatantly a mischaracterization of the feats shown.
Except he hasn't tanked any jutsu, that's you mischaracterizing the feats and what Momoshiki says here supersedes anything you can say about it. He still considers this Sasuke a threat to him. In his current state, unable to absorb Jutsu, he doesn't see himself facing this wounded and fatigued Sasuke and coming out of the altercation clean. This is with his own Jutsu abilities and taijutsu. And please don't start with the, "He's low on Chakra", bc he's not. As I said before, Momoshiki himself was aware he couldn't absorb Chakra for the same reasons you've stated and his intent was still: Take Kawaki > Locate and Portal to Jigen's Dimension > Take Kawaki & Something as Large as Ten-Tails > Portal back to Naruto Earth. So no, Momoshiki would've had to have the Chakra to make 2 separate jumps across dimensions, one of which hauling a Ten-Tails, while also having the chakra to suppress that same Ten-Tails. This statement, given the context, simply means Boruto used too much chakra at once, not that he's out of Chakra.
Again, let's not forget, the "Golem" is still a Jutsu, Kurama Avatar is not. Momoshiki's Jutsu > Sasuke's & Naruto's Physicals. And as Shown, Naruto's Jutsu (And by Extention Sasuke's) > Momoshiki's Jutsu.
Outlier. The Far Stronger Jigen has to block the same strike from 3TM Sasuke with rods.
False, you cut up the scene with the bottom scan. The sword didn't even hit him in this scan, as denoted by the SFX, "FWUP", which is expressing movement. As shown, Sasuke's sword is coming down towards him and it shows Momoshiki noticing the strike incoming. The bottom scan you posted is Momoshiki blocking the strike with the Kunai (Sans for full context: Page 1 | page 2)
He doesn't tank it, the literal scene is him evading the attack, which is why he jumped away from Sasuke. It makes no sense for him to have moved away from Sasuke, ask if he's trying to kill Boruto and then later say this about Sasuke, if he's face tanking his Jutsu w/o issue and tanking his strikes w/o issue.
Your interpretation of these scenes is nonsensical and blatantly a mischaracterization of the feats shown.
Except he hasn't tanked any jutsu, that's you mischaracterizing the feats and what Momoshiki says here supersedes anything you can say about it. He still considers this Sasuke a threat to him. In his current state, unable to absorb Jutsu, he doesn't see himself facing this wounded and fatigued Sasuke and coming out of the altercation clean. This is with his own Jutsu abilities and taijutsu. And please don't start with the, "He's low on Chakra", bc he's not. As I said before, Momoshiki himself was aware he couldn't absorb Chakra for the same reasons you've stated and his intent was still: Take Kawaki > Locate and Portal to Jigen's Dimension > Take Kawaki & Something as Large as Ten-Tails > Portal back to Naruto Earth. So no, Momoshiki would've had to have the Chakra to make 2 separate jumps across dimensions, one of which hauling a Ten-Tails, while also having the chakra to suppress that same Ten-Tails. This statement, given the context, simply means Boruto used too much chakra at once, not that he's out of Chakra.
Again, let's not forget, the "Golem" is still a Jutsu, Kurama Avatar is not. Momoshiki's Jutsu > Sasuke's & Naruto's Physicals. And as Shown, Naruto's Jutsu (And by Extention Sasuke's) > Momoshiki's Jutsu.
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This feat is the outlier not Fused Momoshiki blocking Sasuke.
V2 Jigen easily deals with Susano'o and Kurama Avatar yet has to block an attack from Base Sasuke. It's no different from Isshiki blocking Koji or Fused Momoshiki blocking Kurotsuchi.
I agree, but can't this just mean his Jutsu is superior to his physicals (which, I mean they are)
Sasuke < Momoshiki's physicals < Sasuke's Jutsu
This doesn't seem to break anything in terms of scaling as far as I remember
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Golem is an Avater too. Momoshiki is the one controlling the golem.
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This is a cutting attack. It's not the same as Blunt Force strike unless we're prepared to say there is no difference between Cutting/Piercing and Blunt attacks in NV, which i'm not. So yes, Jigen can punt through PS and such and brutalize N & S with Taijutsu, but it's not the same as tanking a Cutting Attack. And the fact that Naruto and Sasuke can box with Fused Momoshiki and hurt him shows that him no-selling a cutting attack to the neck is not consistent. Thus an outlier.
I might be bugging but I'm not understanding what you're asking here...
Sasuke ~ Naruto, so I don't why Momoshiki physicals would be greater than his. They can hurt each other (Sasuke | Momoshiki) -- I also want to point out the inconsistent nature of Momoshiki doing this vs this. Also the fact that another peer foe still has to block Sasuke's sword strikes. Sorry but I don't see where it's consistent for Fused Momoshiki to be physically superior enough to no-sell Sasuke's strikes for it to not be an Outlier.
I would say it's comparable to this feat, which I consider an outlier as well.
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Yes, but the Golem is a Jutsu.
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We’re expected to discard every feat Fused Momoshiki has against Naruto and Sasuke as outliers, yet somehow accept Sasuke-with no relevant feats against Fused Momoshiki-as factual scaling, despite the contradictions.
Base Naruto gets kicked across the arena by weaker, Pre-Fused Momoshiki, but that’s conveniently ignored. Meanwhile, people argue that this same Naruto can tag Fused Momoshiki, who wasn’t even trying to kill him. So where’s your “killing intent” argument now?
You’re selectively downplaying feats to force a narrative.
- — This is what Kinshiki does to Sasuke.
- Even though High-diff Kinshiki can tank a Chidori.
In what universe does it make sense that 3-Tomoe Sasuke, who is only relative to Kinshiki, is somehow still relative to Fused Momoshiki, who is at least twice as strong after absorbing Kinshiki?
3-Tomoe doesn’t scale to full-power Base Fused Momoshiki. At best, he’s mid-end relative in Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, not in 3-Tomoe and once Fused Momoshiki enters his golem form it is GGs.
Yes and so is SPSM and Kurama avatar mode, they are both Ninjutsu and senjustu.
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I'll get to this tomorrow.
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Straightforward statement.
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Can I just say though, I love the fact the franchise still has these types of debates consistently at this level. I've been doing this since 2009 (Lounge, Naruto Base, OBD, Saiyan Island, Take 5, VsBW) and people really still MASSIVELY love the series to keep engaging in these conversations.
It really goes to show, no matter how much things change, some things remain the same.
It really goes to show, no matter how much things change, some things remain the same.
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What's NV? That just seems like cope tbh. Sasuke can't possibly be a threat to someone who easily destroyed their Avatars. Sasuke is relative to Naruto so there's no way that he can be a threat to V2 Jigen. Like I said we have instances of scenes where stronger characters block or dodge attacks from far weaker opponents, that does that mean they automatically scale.
Sasuke ~ Momoshiki ~ Sasuke's Jutsu (able to harm Borushiki)
his jutsus are superior to his physicals
Yeah my problem is I don't think Sasuke hurt Fused Momoshiki when he punched him. Dodging or blocking attacks don't automatically mean you scale to them. He sent Momoshiki flying yeah, but considering we don't see any signs of injury from sound effects or from Momoshiki himself, hell we see him smiling after, I don't think he did any damage. You see an explicit feat which is Momoshiki tanking Sasuke versus Momoshiki dodging a sword, that doesn't automatically mean Sasuke was gonna harm him.
Momoshiki blocking Boruto's punch (which ended up being a kunai) does not mean that Boruto was gonna harm him. Isshiki blocking Koji's punch does not mean he was going to harm him. Naruto avoiding Karma Boruto's Jutsu does not mean he was gonna harm him.
Once again you're using someone blocking attacks as an example of meaning the other person should scale. That works only in case by case just because I block a 10 month olds kick does NOT mean they scale to me. I've already mentioned examples in universe so I'll just stop there.
Sasuke's best feat is cutting up Momoshiki's Jutsu.
Which can be explained with the Jutsu being that of a restraining ninjutsu and not a Jutsu being specifically as strong or stronger than Sasuke. Considering how it grabbed him, he couldn't let go and it was about to launch him onto the ground, seems to me that he'd take damage from that fall but also he's be unable to break through physically because of the LS difference.
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I’m sorry, 2009
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Yup. I started down this route back when I was in 8th Grade.I’m sorry, 2009
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Respect. That means you got to experience the whole Madara mystery thing firsthand (wish i was there ngl)
though i got into naruto around 2014 or thereabout but didn’t really give a shit about power scaling or debates up until Covid
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I'll respond to this tomorrow as well.
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One thing I dislike about cosplay is how "cheap" the material is at times. And I get that it "can" become an expensive ordeal but... 
Something like this would look dope if the clothing wasn't made of cheap material:
Something like this would look dope if the clothing wasn't made of cheap material:
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Biblically Accurate Nard Scaling
Hello Fellow Naruto Fans, today's CRT will be discussing a bit of The Last Scaling that I wanted to implement after rewatching it, this was poorly proposed in the past so I aim to do this meta justice so without further ado let's begin Preface After the events with Kaguya where Hagoromo and...
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So if Toneri did go to the Hidden Leaf, does he automatically become an "Honorary" member of the Hyuga Clan? 
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Naruto's not an Honorary member of the Senju's, so I don't think so
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Also never checked here, how are the feelings about the latest Vortex chapter here?
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Pretty sure everyone collectively loved it
One of the best chapters in a good while
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Good to hear, happy that's the sentiment
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Loved it a lot, and the Sarada upscale was insane
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Loved it. Been longing for Sarada's pov for a while since we only ever got very short dialogue in NNG from her
I can't wait to see what she can do as she improves from here on out and I'm curious to see if she'll be like:
- Shisui: Both eyes have the exact same ability
- Sasuke: One eye has an ability and the other enhances it.
- Obito: Both eyes abilities are based on the same principle but function differently
- Itachi: Both eyes do vastly different things
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