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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Johner2133451 said:
How often Kenny uses his domain?
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Well, with Yuki he chose that as his second move. The annoying thing about Domains is that you only get the one typically, and that helps ensure that people are very reserved about popping them usually across the series. If you think you got to fight later that day, you don't do your domain. If the most annoying person isn't present, you don't do your domain. If you can make sure your opponent pops their domain first, and then catch them lacking after the fact, you don't do you domain.

Kenny was only once in the position throughout the story where he could pop his domain without regard for any other work for the day, and that was vs Yuki and Choso. There is a good argument that if you put him into a position where he want have to worry about people after the fact, he'll probably do his domain as first or second since he has little to fear in a domain clash.
 
Could this be used to upscale Maximum Meteor?
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Duedate8898 said:
Already attempted, I think it got rejected but can't remember the specifics.

Truthfully, I just want the verse in the Solid 7-B range. That feels like the appropriate scale for the verse in terms of raw AP.
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Gege then released a black hole and had yuki punches so dense that they could not be definied or measured
 
Duedate8898 said:
Already attempted, I think it got rejected but can't remember the specifics.

Truthfully, I just want the verse in the Solid 7-B range. That feels like the appropriate scale for the verse in terms of raw AP.
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IIRC it was rejected on the grounds that we didn't see the the town get destroyed in the manga so the Databook statement should be discarded and the manga given priority
(Although it's sometimes accepted like salamander vaporising a sea which also never happened in the manga)
It all depends on support and arguments
 
PowerToScale said:
Gege then released a black hole and had yuki punches so dense that they could not be definied or measured
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I know in powerscaling we tend to go about the idea of "this is how it would go technically speaking" hence why lightspeed and planet busting in all the series where it clearly isn't a thing. But I'm talking from a perspective of sticking with how the story wants us treat things. The reason why Yuki gets to be the weird freak in the corner is because the story builds in neat little exceptions for her, same as Yoruzu with her true sphere. But it doesn't want us to think that either of those set the standard hence their circumstance. I think 7-B is appropriate because at the heights of JJK, when looking at our two strongest characters that's where their biggest feats tend to align well with the sniff test.

Without calcing or pixel measurement, if you told a non-power scaler that JJK has its characters sit around enough power to destroy cities that wouldn't be a controversial thing to say. They could go about multiple points in the series and see where you're coming from.

Same as if you said the verse is faster than bullets, there's multiple instances where just without the math or measurements someone would come away thinking "yeah, these folks can deal with bullets pretty easily".

But when you start pushing it past that, that's when the average viewer starts to not really see what you're talking about. I know if we try to be super logical about a lot of things we can get some crazy stats and numbers, but I also think that it can so easily just make things look silly and non-nonsensical when we're not logical about applying the super logic.

That said, I know how the site works and power scaling in general thinks when it comes to stuff like this. I'm just saying how I prefer to see it personally.

7-B AP I think just fits
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Could this be used to upscale Maximum Meteor?
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No, it wouldn't because town isn't the only meaning of the kanji. It can mean 0.99 hectares or 109 meters, which is around the portrayal of MM.

On a different note, Toge's earthquake distance should be nowhere close to 2km. The inspired real life place is Kiyomizu-dera and on google earth I get 90-195 meters so that should be changed.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Either way Yuji showed similar durability to Yuta who was able to fight and harm Ryu so it's not a huge difference
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Aight went through tcb, Sukuna says they don't surpass him so it's an at most they're as tough as Ryu but,,
Yuji is resistant to Sukuna's attacks, no?
Yuta isn't
So if they're suffering similar damage doesn't that straight up mean Yuta is tougher due to Sukuna's attacks being relatively weaker on Yuji and stronger on him
Ryu≥Yuta>Yuji
 
We currently have nothing in the story which directly indicates Yuji being resistance to Sukuna's slashes. That said, what should be remembered is that Yuta is also getting boosted while in his domain, so its not even his normal toughness being put to the test. So even if Yuji is resistant, Yuta also has his toughness increased while inside the domain.

Overall, they end up pretty comparable.
 
Shey said:
Aight went through tcb, Sukuna says they don't surpass him so it's an at most they're as tough as Ryu but,,
Yuji is resistant to Sukuna's attacks, no?
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Never stated anywhere that.
Shey said:
Yuta isn't
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By that logic, since Rika has Yuji's finger, which technically contains Sukuna's Cursed Energy, Yuta should also have resistance to slashes because he receives a Cursed Energy supply from Rika.
Shey said:
So if they're suffering similar damage doesn't that straight up mean Yuta is tougher due to Sukuna's attacks being relatively weaker on Yuji and stronger on him
Ryu≥Yuta>Yuji
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Yuji was closer to Sukuna's slashes than Yuta, yet he still received similar damage, comparable to Domain-amped Yuta, who was a little farther away from the slashes. Besides, Sukuna never once commented that Yuji was receiving less damage due to having the same Cursed Energy. Also, by that logic, Sukuna should have resistance to Yuji's attacks as well, which was never stated in the series.

Also Gojo's statement was translated different by TCB has anyone got the raws?
 
Ryu also took his own GB attack twice still no statement for him being resistance to his own CE
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Duedate8898 said:
I know in powerscaling we tend to go about the idea of "this is how it would go technically speaking" hence why lightspeed and planet busting in all the series where it clearly isn't a thing. But I'm talking from a perspective of sticking with how the story wants us treat things. The reason why Yuki gets to be the weird freak in the corner is because the story builds in neat little exceptions for her, same as Yoruzu with her true sphere. But it doesn't want us to think that either of those set the standard hence their circumstance. I think 7-B is appropriate because at the heights of JJK, when looking at our two strongest characters that's where their biggest feats tend to align well with the sniff test.

Without calcing or pixel measurement, if you told a non-power scaler that JJK has its characters sit around enough power to destroy cities that wouldn't be a controversial thing to say. They could go about multiple points in the series and see where you're coming from.

Same as if you said the verse is faster than bullets, there's multiple instances where just without the math or measurements someone would come away thinking "yeah, these folks can deal with bullets pretty easily".

But when you start pushing it past that, that's when the average viewer starts to not really see what you're talking about. I know if we try to be super logical about a lot of things we can get some crazy stats and numbers, but I also think that it can so easily just make things look silly and non-nonsensical when we're not logical about applying the super logic.

That said, I know how the site works and power scaling in general thinks when it comes to stuff like this. I'm just saying how I prefer to see it personally.

7-B AP I think just fits
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Yeah i get ya, my comment was more so joking with the idea of verses being absolutely bonkers with scaling while not really seen as such

Anyways, planet level and higher jjk is pretty valid
 
Duedate8898 said:
What Uruame said has nothing to do with Yuji being more resistant to Sukuna's slashes than others. Her statement is concerning Yuji's relative potential in comparison to Sukuna's. She recognizes him as different but related to Sukuna, not as Sukuna. Shoko's statement says Yuji has essentially been made into a cursed object of Sukuna's, but a cursed object of Sukuna's isn't Sukuna himself.
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Then read it again. If Yuji's CE signature isn't identical to Sukuna's, then Uraume wouldn't even be able to pick up on Sukuna's CE residuals. That's also why Shoko says Yuji is like a cursed object known as 'Sukuna' in the first place—it's because of Sukuna's CE signature. The point isn't to prove that Yuji is literally Sukuna, but that Yuji retains elements of him.

By the way, Sukuna is a cursed object—he’s literally classified as one.
Duedate8898 said:
Those scans have nothing to do with why resonance wouldn't occur. The reason why I bring up resonance not occuring is because it points towards Yuji's status as a cursed object being strange and not that strong. The influence of Sukuna's CE directly appears weak at best and non-existent at worse by the point Yuji is in the series.
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You clearly haven't read any of the scans. The requirements for resonance remains vague, but it's most likely that minor physical changes and exchanged information alone can't cause Sukuna and Yuji to resonate. After all, Sukuna wasn’t informed about any of their plans, nor was he aware of Yuji’s missing finger that Yuta fed to Rika.

Yuji isn’t a cursed object either. Not sure from where any of these ideas are coming from.

Also, as I've already laid out, even if resonance never occured it still wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Yuji's CE signature is like that of Sukuna's.
Duedate8898 said:
And my point is, if Yuji was truly uniquely tougher against Sukuna's CT because of him being steeped in Sukuna's CE then that would be pointed out. We have folks like Kenjaku, just casually dropping how their is no poisonous effect for him to suffer against Choso's blood, Gojo himself mentioning why he suffered less damage, and people randomly commenting on Sukuna's ability to double jump. If this was truly something at play in the final fight, then it would be a detail mentioned by anyone. A random small detail like that not being brought up when random details are constantly mentioned feels like this isn't really something at play in the story.
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Why would it need to be pointed out when there are already cross-references that a reader can use to reach a conclusion that's already rooted in the power system?

Gojo says the reason he took less damage than Sukuna from UHP is because it consisted of his own CE. Therefore, if we were to apply the same logic to Yuji, he would take less damage than Sukuna as well—given the multiple statements confirming that his cursed energy is, quite literally, the same as Sukuna's.

I also wouldn’t call such an early concept random, considering Yuji’s natural resistance towards Sukuna was established early on in the series.
 
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Tengouk said:
No, it wouldn't because town isn't the only meaning of the kanji. It can mean 0.99 hectares or 109 meters, which is around the portrayal of MM.

On a different note, Toge's earthquake distance should be nowhere close to 2km. The inspired real life place is Kiyomizu-dera and on google earth I get 90-195 meters so that should be changed.
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What do you mean the inspired real life place?
Also it being the Real life inspiration shouldn't decide it's distance
The temple doesn't span across Two whole mountainsides like Jujustu high campus
We could get the distance via calculating the average slope distance of a Tokyo mountain if you disagree with the town distance
 
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Wow Yuta glazers now wants to downplay Yuji's durability so bad 😞.
Really these people with these Agendas 😵‍💫
EldemadeDityjon said:
. Also, by that logic, Sukuna should have resistance to Yuji's attacks as well, which was never stated in the series.

Also Gojo's statement was translated different by TCB has anyone got the raws?
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As I said, Yuji was physically damaging Sukuna, whom Yuta needed his Cursed Technique to hurt. SS=Durability. Even if people try to downplay Yuji's durability using the "slashes with same CE because he would receive less damage" headcanon argument, it doesn't change the fact that Sukuna should have resistance to Yuji's attacks—yet he was still getting cooked by them. This happened at the same level where Yuta needed his Domain-amped attacks to hurt Sukuna. One way or another, Yuji ends up scaling to Domain-amped Yuta.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Wow Yuta glazers now wants to downplay Yuji's durability so bad 😞.
Really these people with these Agendas 😵‍💫

As I said, Yuji was physically damaging Sukuna, whom Yuta needed his Cursed Technique to hurt. SS=Durability. Even if people try to downplay Yuji's durability using the "slashes with same CE because he would receive less damage" headcanon argument, it doesn't change the fact that Sukuna should have resistance to Yuji's attacks—yet he was still getting cooked by them. This happened at the same level where Yuta needed his Domain-amped attacks to hurt Sukuna. One way or another, Yuji ends up scaling to Domain-amped Yuta.
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I agree with the Yuji = Yuta in durability but Yuta didn't need cursed techniques to damage
Plus he was the only one in that domain who could tear sukuna limbs
 
Okay so I researched on the average mountain height in Tokyo region (since I couldn't get the horizontal distance) specifically on the Okutama mountains and I got 1km to 1.3km (I'll use 1km)
Jujustu high is a forested area with a lot of trees, which means it's slope is moderate in nature (15° - 30°)
I'll use an average of 22.5
Average slope distance= Elevation/sin(slope angle)
= 1/ sin(22.5°)
≈ 2.613km in radius since spans across two mountainsides
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
I agree with the Yuji = Yuta in durability but Yuta didn't need cursed techniques to damage
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Let me push my own agenda

Anyway Yuji's SS also has same feats level as Domain amped Yuta's strikes not just durability.
Infact I would argue Yuji has slightly (very small but still) upper hand in speed division also.
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Plus he was the only one in that domain who could tear sukuna limbs
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Yuji was holding back his arms so we don't know if he could have done it or not. He should be able to. His sts weren't diff from Yuta.
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Then read it again. If Yuji's CE signature isn't identical to Sukuna's, then Uraume wouldn't even be able to pick up on Sukuna's CE residuals. That's also why Shoko says Yuji is like a cursed object known as 'Sukuna' in the first place—it's because of Sukuna's CE signature. The point isn't to prove that Yuji is literally Sukuna, but that Yuji retains elements of him.

By the way, Sukuna is a cursed object—he’s literally classified as one.

You clearly haven't read any of the scans. The requirements for resonance remains vague, but it's most likely that minor physical changes and exchanged information alone can't cause Sukuna and Yuji to resonate. After all, Sukuna wasn’t informed about any of their plans, nor was he aware of Yuji’s missing finger that Yuta fed to Rika.

Yuji isn’t a cursed object either. Not sure from where any of these ideas are coming from.

Also, as I've already laid out, even if resonance never occured it still wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Yuji's CE signature is like that of Sukuna's.

Why would it need to be pointed out when there are already cross-references that a reader can use to reach a conclusion that's already rooted in the power system?

Gojo says the reason he took less damage than Sukuna from UHP is because it consisted of his own CE. Therefore, if we were to apply the same logic to Yuji, he would take less damage than Sukuna as well—given the multiple statements confirming that his cursed energy is, quite literally, the same as Sukuna's.

I also wouldn’t call such an early concept random, considering Yuji’s natural resistance towards Sukuna was established early on in the series.
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The only thing that was established early on in the series was that Yuji could contain Sukuna and that he would one day obtain Sukuna's CT, it says nothing about him being resistant towards Sukuna CE.

Also Sukuna mentions that Jujutsu High improved their reinforcement at least three times, and never once he brings up that Yuji is only resistant because he used to Sukuna's vessel, that is something that Sukuna would definitely mention, but he never does it.
 
DarkRuler234 said:
Didn't Yuta needed his sword to cut off Sukuna's limbs, and the only thing he torn off was Sukuna's tongue.
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Yeah
The person I was replying to said Yuta needed Cursed Techniques to damage sukuna so I needed to hype Yuta a little bit
But in all seriousness tho, his sword slash isn't really a cursed technique so it's fine
 
Giannysmag said:
We, as in every single soul to have ever passed through this earth, all 100 billion of them. Doesn't matter if they have read JJK or not, all humans regardless of race, gender or timeperiod instictively know the truth that Yuji has better stats but Yuta is overall stronger
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We don't do that here
The masses know Yuta is stronger than Yuji
 
MinatoSparkle said:
They're relative like I implied yes
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Scans I sent shows Yuji slightly being faster (not much). Also you didn't say they are relative. You said "it's the opposite" for my claim. Means for you Yuta is slightly faster.
MinatoSparkle said:
Awakened Yuji sure
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No scan I sent were for Pre Awakened Yuji and he already has relative feats.
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
We don't do that here
The masses know Yuta is stronger than Yuji
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Mister OjeTheArcher15, after observing your agenda for the past few days I would like to say I am disgusted, appalled even, by how weak and pathetic it is. You always bring up the existance of the Yuta agenda but do next to nothing to actually push it beyond occasional responses to arguments. Where is the showmanship? Where is the slander of other characters? Look at @LIGHTYW he maybe a buffoonish Kashimo glazer but he is also bombastic, illiterate and takes every opportunity possible to glaze his God of Lightning to high heavens while slandering anyone that so much as claims that he is not top three. All qualities that make for an exceptional agenda pusher.

In short you lack the theatrics necessary for pushing an agenda. You also seem to go back and forth on simply choosing to be illiterate and trying to formulate actual arguments. If you want to reach the heights of Kashimo glazers you have to shed all media literacy, do not merely claim that you are pushing an agenda, do not merely claim that you are ignoring facts for the shake of it only to then go back to arguing with some form of logic. Disregard all that goes against your agenda and be proud of doing so, like a true glazer
 
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