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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
Kenjaku is on the same level as Gojo and Sukuna and I reread it; Yuta says he and Rika will handle the shikigamis. My point was that Yuta only thought he'd be able to handle the shikigamis, which implies he couldn't help with Sukuna.
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Nobody in the entire verse is on Sukuna and Gojo level
Even kenjaku understands this, that's why he prefers a 16 fingers sukuna to defend him from Gojo instead of throwing hands (Sukuna can't fatally wound Ryu without cleave btw)
And Maho adapted to sukuna and Gojo level of Dura
Tanking a black flash from Gojo when normal attacks makes people puke is crazy work
The reason he couldn't help with sukuna is threefold
1.) Gojo cant go full power
2.) Sukuna was still holding a trump card and will unleash it if Yuta enters
3.) Uraume is still around and Yuta can't be weakened in a potential fight with her (he's the insurance)

Put anyone in the crossfire between Sukuna vs Gojo and they die instantly

Arkenis said:
Yeah I don't get the logic in comparing the events; we have no clue what was more weakening, both are weakening. Being off guard is pretty serious when it comes to reinforcement, Yuji got launched several buildings by Meguna and then goes on to taking everything from him. Blood Meteorite is weaker than PB yet pierced Yuji off guard. Yuji can block Choso's blood arm but when off guard, it breaks his shoulder.
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But wouldn't domain weakening be worse?
Since it takes so much curse energy that it can normally only be used a day?
And he was still activating his cursed technique so his reinforcement wouldn't be reduced

Arkenis said:
Yeah dura wise probably not, Kenjaku just never attacks them post domain
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That's because they were putting the paws on him
Also remember Piercing blood tearing through his skull btw
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Nobody in the entire verse is on Sukuna and Gojo level
Even kenjaku understands this, that's why he prefers a 16 fingers sukuna to defend him from Gojo instead of throwing hands (Sukuna can't fatally wound Ryu without cleave btw)
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Dude reread the thread, I’m going off the notion that characters view Kenjaku that high.

OjeTheArcher15 said:
And Maho adapted to sukuna and Gojo level of Dura
Tanking a black flash from Gojo when normal attacks makes people puke is crazy work
The reason he couldn't help with sukuna is threefold
1.) Gojo cant go full power
2.) Sukuna was still holding a trump card and will unleash it if Yuta enters
3.) Uraume is still around and Yuta can't be weakened in a potential fight with her (he's the insurance)
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Changes nothing man.

OjeTheArcher15 said:
But wouldn't domain weakening be worse?
Since it takes so much curse energy that it can normally only be used a day?
And he was still activating his cursed technique so his reinforcement wouldn't be reduced
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It’s indicative but not known. Again don’t think it matters much if he was.

OjeTheArcher15 said:
That's because they were putting the paws on him
Also remember Piercing blood tearing through his skull btw
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No he was just waiting for his ct to replenish. And PB didn’t do that, it ripped the sewing from his ct. Arguably PB can scale though since he does that trick to not get pierced but its also a point blank hit so eh.
 
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Arkenis said:
Dude reread the thread, I’m going off the notion that characters view Kenjaku that high.
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My bad but Yuta didn't view kenjaku like that only people like Maki
Arkenis said:
It’s indicative but not known. Again don’t think it matters much if he was.
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Okay then
Arkenis said:
No he was just waiting for his ct to replenish. And PB didn’t do that, it ripped the sewing from his ct. Arguably PB can scale though since he does that trick to not get pierced but its also a point blank hit so eh.
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True
 
So for now;
Full power Sukuna and Gojo would scale to gojo earthquake feat (6C if the seismic version gets accepted or 7A if it doesn't)

Full power Kenjaku would scale above his own feat- 7A

The special grades and people who fought then would either downscale or scale normally to Weakened kenjaku feat - 7A (I prefer them to just scale but we'll discuss further when we get it accepted)

Then the Disaster Curses, Grade 1 sorcerers, Ultimate mechamaru and Goodwill Yuji scales to Toge earthquake calc (H7C if the meteor version gets accepted, 8A if it doesn't)

I think that's all for now
 
I’m confused about Yuta’s copy ability, so after 5 minutes does he lose it permanently? What happens if he only uses it for 3 minutes? If he used something like CSM how would that work
 
Giannysmag said:
Honestly I'm not opposed to using anime feats (+ I don't think they'd increase his stats much if at all the main thing that would change is his regen and him having more solid scaling to 15F)
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Apparently the fuga gets higher via it splitting clouds and I heard Sukuna split clouds in the anime too
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
Yuji's durability was compared to that of Yuta and Ryu, right? So why is it rated as just "Possibly small town level"?
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Because the profiles are kind of shit rn and haven’t been updated because people are either trying to decide on stats or the crts to fix them died
 
Do you guys think we could add more to the Cursed Energy page as far as abilities and stuff? I've heard talks about some Information Manipulation and such.
 
Da3ggman said:
Do you guys think we could add more to the Cursed Energy page as far as abilities and stuff? I've heard talks about some Information Manipulation and such.
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Information type 2 or what?
(Should probably get ready to explain why curse spirits are info type 2 concept type 3 beings after my exams)
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Information type 2 or what?
(Should probably get ready to explain why curse spirits are info type 2 concept type 3 beings after my exams)
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Information Type 2 got removed because there was this who thing about it not being enough to be information type 2 even though it was more than information Type 1. We can probably try and argue it now since I don't believe the verse will be getting as much scrutiny around now with the manga over and a lof of the staff who really pushed for most of the downgrades having little interest in the verse. Though honestly, we might just need to get information manipulation updated into something not as narrow in type 2 or a newer category.
 
I await the inevitable #YUTAUPSCALE next year
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Well, Yuji shouldn't be compared to Ryu in terms of durability. According to Gojo, the reason he suffered less damage than Sukuna from HP is because it consisted of his own CE. And considering that Yuji has been soaked in Sukuna's CE and was said to be identical to one of his fingers because of it (TCB | Official), the same should apply to him. Additionally, it's not CE alone that Yuji is resembling Sukuna in (TCB | Official).
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Well, Yuji shouldn't be compared to Ryu in terms of durability. According to Gojo, the reason he suffered less damage than Sukuna from HP is because it consisted of his own CE. And considering that Yuji has been soaked in Sukuna's CE and was said to be identical to one of his fingers because of it (TCB | Official), the same should apply to him. Additionally, it's not CE alone that Yuji is resembling Sukuna in (TCB | Official).
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I don't think this theory that Yuji is more durable against Sukuna's slashes because of him being inside his body holds up well with Yuji. Not only does resonance never actually occur between Yuji and Sukuna, but Sukuna has no noted issue or problem with hurting Yuji versus others throughout the entire battle. If Yuji truly was only doing so well because of his resistance, I imagine anyone would note it especially Sukuna as that would be a great way to dismiss Yuji's growth as he was hellbent on doing.

Sukuna CE is Sukuna's CE, while Yuji's might be flavored by it, there isn't much to support his body treating Sukuna's CE like its also his.
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Well, Yuji shouldn't be compared to Ryu in terms of durability. According to Gojo, the reason he suffered less damage than Sukuna from HP is because it consisted of his own CE. And considering that Yuji has been soaked in Sukuna's CE and was said to be identical to one of his fingers because of it (TCB | Official), the same should apply to him. Additionally, it's not CE alone that Yuji is resembling Sukuna in (TCB | Official).
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if Yuji was unnaturallyresistant to Sukuna's attacks, there is no way Sukuna wouldn't have mentioned it.
Instead, he comments on both Yuji and Yuta having boosted their reinforcement to the level of Ryu (btw that happened inside Yuta's domain where he would have a stat buff)
 
Duedate8898 said:
I don't think this theory that Yuji is more durable against Sukuna's slashes because of him being inside his body holds up well with Yuji.
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Does this seriously address anything Uraume and Shoko said?
Duedate8898 said:
Not only does resonance never actually occur between Yuji and Sukuna
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Well, I wonder why. And, just for the record, even if a resonance between them never occurred, it still wouldn't disprove anything.
Duedate8898 said:
but Sukuna has no noted issue or problem with hurting Yuji versus others throughout the entire battle. If Yuji truly was only doing so well because of his resistance, I imagine anyone would note it especially Sukuna as that would be a great way to dismiss Yuji's growth as he was hellbent on doing.
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Where is Sukuna denying or confirming any of this?
 
BahamutQ0 said:
Does this seriously address anything Uraume and Shoko said?
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What Uruame said has nothing to do with Yuji being more resistant to Sukuna's slashes than others. Her statement is concerning Yuji's relative potential in comparison to Sukuna's. She recognizes him as different but related to Sukuna, not as Sukuna. Shoko's statement says Yuji has essentially been made into a cursed object of Sukuna's, but a cursed object of Sukuna's isn't Sukuna himself. We have nothing which points towards a cursed object created by you being tough against you harming it, and this chain of logic is instead used to explore why Yuji is able to rapidly grow as a sorcerer as Sukuna has left his body with the memories of high level Jujutsu.

Those statements don't support Yuji being resistance to Sukuna's slashes in any capacity.
BahamutQ0 said:
Well, I wonder why. And, just for the record, even if a resonance between them never occurred, it still wouldn't disprove anything.
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Those scans have nothing to do with why resonance wouldn't occur. The reason why I bring up resonance not occuring is because it points towards Yuji's status as a cursed object being strange and not that strong. The influence of Sukuna's CE directly appears weak at best and non-existent at worse by the point Yuji is in the series.
BahamutQ0 said:
Where is Sukuna denying or confirming any of this?
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And my point is, if Yuji was truly uniquely tougher against Sukuna's CT because of him being steeped in Sukuna's CE then that would be pointed out. We have folks like Kenjaku, just casually dropping how their is no poisonous effect for him to suffer against Choso's blood, Gojo himself mentioning why he suffered less damage, and people randomly commenting on Sukuna's ability to double jump. If this was truly something at play in the final fight, then it would be a detail mentioned by anyone. A random small detail like that not being brought up when random details are constantly mentioned feels like this isn't really something at play in the story.
 
Depends.

If he's not really interested, he likes to stack on cursed spirits and crush you like that. If he thinks you're a threat, it appears he goes for one of his special grades then balls from there.

Though, if you're too close, he's likely to also just pop Reverse Gravity as he did against Yuta.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Depends.

If he's not really interested, he likes to stack on cursed spirits and crush you like that. If he thinks you're a threat, it appears he goes for one of his special grades then balls from there.

Though, if you're too close, he's likely to also just pop Reverse Gravity as he did against Yuta.
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How often Kenny uses his domain?
 
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